Zenith of the Ages V0.01

[Moderator]

13:19, 27th Apr 2009 by bounty hunter2:
Yet another poorly made AoS, including unoriginal spells and heroes, horrible terrain, the same old boring gameplay. It's really nothing much and don't upload this here anymore. Use Epicwar please, Rejected.

07:26, 28th Apr 2009 by bounty hunter2:
I don't have time to give you more suggestions. You can use our Map Development Forum and ask for more help, and make your map perfect there. I just can't bare the bad terrain and unoriginal hero and spells. I can't suggest you how to make them original, now can I? It's a regular three way AoS, nothing much, I've seen tons of them like this and rejected them. You should use the Forums and improve there, but don't upload the map again until you are sure it's good enough, Rejected.

1st May 2009 by bounty hunter2:
Those are old maps, when there were no rules for maps. Today we have rules. Your map is now rejected permanently. Upload it again and you shall receive an infraction.

 

[ReddSpyder07]

dota clone

 

[Dead_Doggies]

Thanks! It would be nice if you would elaborate on that. I don't see the intellectual merit of just shouting "Dota Clone" rather than letting me know what I can change or improve on to make it a better map. Have you even played this?

 

[Sparten1one7]

What. Is. With. People. And. (Insert Random Letter Here)otA.
God dammit, change the name...
And why does it need a river? Just because DotA has a river, your map doesn't
3 lanes? why not 2 or 5?
And Felwood? why not Outland?
Its dota, except tilted on a 45 degree angle, less heros, and boring.

 

[Dead_Doggies]

Well, the group of people I play with have both made maps that have ended in "otA", so I left the map name with that name.

The map has a river due to the fact that different levels of terrain, from cliffs to water, are nice to have. It also opens up another plane of sight from normal ground to the shallow water and enables items such as Tidal Stone to be present in the map.

The original Aeon of Strife map had 3 lanes, I kept it 3 lanes.

I chose Felwood because Outlands trees are mushrooms which don't look very good, the Lordaeron X tilesets are very plain, the Snow based terrains are very bright and I see more maps using it, so I chose felwood because I thought it looked crisp and neat, but not the square neat of Cityscape.

Could you please elaborate on your idea that the map is just "Dota on an angle etc."? Tell me why you think the map is boring. The only valid criticism without some sort of backup to it you are giving me is that its too much like Dota, yet there are no heros remotely reminiscent of Dota heroes. There are many AoS maps that use the 3 lanes. Do you go to every AoS map that has 3 lanes and call it a Dota ripoff? Do you call Dota an AoS ripoff? I'd prefer some criticism with some body to it so I can work to improve my map!

Also I am curious if you even played the map instead of looking at the name and the terrain. None of the things you have told me about my map are substantiated from actual gameplay, correct? Could you tell me which heroes you played, what you thought made them boring, what your opinion of the hero in relation to the entire map is, how I should go about fixing or repairing the hero to better fit the map and/or make the game more exciting overall? Thanks!

 

[Sparten1one7]

Correct. The description did not make me feel like downloading the map, and most AOS maps here on the hive, ARE Dota ripoffs. Having a name like [?]otA just makes it look like one of those types of maps.

Terrain is a rather large thing here too.

However, because you wrote so much, I suppose I will test it.

EDIT:

Things for you to fix
>Item tool tips
Why would I buy a ward that has 0 charges and lasts 0 seconds?
>Terrain
It was almost one tile the whole way through and the lanes where 5x bigger than needed.
>LAG.
I only got 20 minutes through before the game started to slow (I had all the hero's from the good side summoned)

Things that I liked
>Different Attack power
However should the humans have the smaller attack range (21-23) and Skeletons have the crazy aggressive attack range (17-25).
>Some Items
Some item ideas were nice, such as the sword that levels up every 25 minutes. But that sword that gives Immolation and prevents ranged attacks over 450 was rather...imba.
>Some Hero Abilities
Roshan? Nice >.> That Fart move was funny too.

Things that I not so much liked
>Items cost
...Alot... How much was it again, for a sword that granted... 2 damage? 1000 gold?
>Hero Abilities
Some were rather basic, others had some nice effects added to it or a different name, Priestess of the moon has one ability there that is just windwalk, it even has the buff come up as windwalk.

Make the lanes thinner, Give it an improved tileset, get more creative with the hero abilities and try to move away from DotA, (Start with the name) So that less people will make the mistake 'DotA Clone' and not play it. ^.First Post.^

 

[Dead_Doggies]

I'm glad you gave me more feedback. I recently noticed the wards and one other consumable that I had not changed a certain part of the tooltip on, and it went straight to zero.
On the map size, when I first made it, the lanes were too scrunched so I pulled the map out. The lane length seems very good in my opinion, but yes, the width is very large >.> I am implementing more trees for thinner lanes and a bigger forest, as forests shouldn't be tiny like in other maps, I felt it needed to be expansive. I tried to not make it the entire tile all the way through and thought it looked decent, but I guess I was wrong.
I am not sure what is causing the lag, as I have been able to handle every hero out at once for a long time on a 9 year old computer.
For the different attack ranges, I felt as though the undead don't care if they hit consistantly, the would want to do the most damage, whereas a footman would want every hit to count. And yes, I have been told that that item is rather imba, but the effect I wanted on it was the prevent ranged attacks. I will most likely nerf it further than already what has been planned.
I guess I can change the Rock Golem's name, as it is kind of a ripoff of Dota, but I remember reading somewhere Roshan had some connotation to earth, so I felt it fit. Going to change that.
Im glad you liked the fart
The 2 damage sword should cost 75 gold, whereas the 1000 gold item is +13 damage. I also noticed when I played it with other people that the gold was rather slow, thinking of increasing creep bounty a little bit.
I figure what I don't see I can hopefully rely on some others to point me in the right direction to get this snowball rolling.

 

[twelveoclock]

This map KICKS ASS! Play it cause it's so fun... lots of cool heroes

 

[Dead_Doggies]

Thanks for the support! I am trying to make this map better, so send me feedback Twelveoclock!

 

[twelveoclock]

You should make creeps spawn much later, so new players can check out items.

FINISH ITEM SHOPS PLZ TY

 

[Dead_Doggies]

In the updated version (not the one uploaded atm) the creeps spawn 50 seconds later.
At the moment I am focusing on terrain and heros, so the items will sit for a little while.

 

[ReddSpyder07]

im sorry if i sounded harsh when i said "dota clone" but thats exactly what i thought after playing your map

if you really want to make a map that's noticeable and separate from the monogamous pattern of AoS maps popping up on this site then you need to make something NEW. how hard is it to create something that no-one's seen before? instead of making typical dota-ish heroes make NEW heroes that noone has seen the likes of before. add NEW systems to boost gameplay. when making a map just think in your mind "how can i make this better?" and "how can i make this more FUN?" i find that mappers now-adays are totally forgetting that factor, the FUN factor. people are making maps that are the same old typical thing instead of coming up with new ideas. be creative! thats all i ask! please dont take this post the wrong way, im just letting you know why i wrote "dota clone". nothing would get better if people didn't learn from their mistakes, let the creative juices flow my friend!

 

[Dead_Doggies]

Thank you for responding. Right now I am just fighting to get this damned map approved on this site. The map that is up is very trashy as it had a bunch of things that needed to be changed etc, but I can't upload the newest version because of a moderator telling me not to, which I plan to appeal to another moderator soon.

I don't take the post in the wrong way in the least. It is very helpful, but right now this is a framework which will be expanded upon in the future. Right now I am trying to solidify the AoS in the map, as that is what this is, then start adding the modes and stuff. I am just dissapointed that I have two buddies who both made AoS maps, and when they were uploaded to the site they were about as good as what I have right now, and they got auto-approved pretty much, with nothing "NEW AND CREATIVE" to them really, just heroes, items, and a map. A lot of maps aren't very far from DotA, yet people call them amazing. Right now what I see is that a lot of the heroes are pretty bland or boring, and its hard to come up with tons of heroes that are 100% original, synergistic, good looking moves, and all extremely fun to play, such as Pudge or Techies from DotA. To be able to get some new heroes in to replace some of the ones that I have right now would probably help, but then I am lost on where to make it "seperate from the monogamous pattern of AoS", as at its core, this map is supposed to be an AoS.