Zealot and Archon?

[SharkSkin]

I saw in the site that they are copying the same units for Starcraft 2 and starcraft 1. Why would they do that when the rest of the units are different???

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I saw they put death knights from warcraft 2 into warcraft 3. why would they do that if a bunch of other units are different?

It's not only about making new ones. It's about renovating the originals that you think of when you think starcraft. How do you think of starcraft without a fucking ling rush?

 

[Massive_attack]

Finaly i agree with MySpaceBarBroke on something, who knows, maybe theres hope for diplomacy.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Finaly i agree with MySpaceBarBroke on something, who knows, maybe theres hope for diplomacy.

/hug

 

[PurplePoot]

Death knights in wc3 and wc3 are quite different

On a more on-topic note, so? They're different (how the twilight archon is made + (maybe) feedback, and the zealot's charge), and since this is the same universe, their old, efficient war weapons/warriors would still be in use

Oh, and apparently the Twilight Archon is getting feedback (same one as the Dark Archon had in sc)

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Death knights in wc3 and wc3 are quite different

okay. Peon, peasant, footman, grunt, archer, troll axe thrower, knight, ogre, ballista, catapult, goblin sapper, goblin zeppelin, gryphon rider, dragon, transport, destroyer, battleship, and juggernaut.

 

[DesKaladA]

"Blizzard is adding old units to starracft 2 beause the develoment team thouht it wouldn't madder beacuse people who played stararact now are guzzling bear blood"

Auzzygmaes.com

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

"Blizzard is adding old units to starracft 2 beause the develoment team thouht it wouldn't madder beacuse people who played stararact now are guzzling bear blood"

Auzzygmaes.com

1. I've never played stararact before. What's it like?\
2. One word: Koreans.
3. Another word: Recurring.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Old units are fine, but you have to give them something new.

Zealots get charge.
Zerglings get the rolling terrorist ability.
Marine... shields? I don't remember.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

i personally don't think you can call it starcraft without a few recurring units. furthermore, most of the protoss units' names are titles given to things. like the templar caste, or the dark templars. dragoons were actual inventions to prolong the war life of zealots.

 

[KaboomMaster]

from a different stand point if they scrapped all the old units they might as well not even make it because they would lose there original fan base, so you always have to keep a few staples to attract the original players

by the way how many of you are going to camp out in front of Best Buy the day before SC2 comes out

 

[Massive_attack]

Look at it this way: the units are fucking awesome, if you scrap them, your a dick, if you improve them, your awesome.

Blizzard wants to be awesome and it shows.

 

[KaboomMaster]

idk im kinda pissed actually cause the races are loses what really made them cool like the 'toss almost pretty much became all dark 'toss but they realized it and removed tempest and sum1 said soul hunters too but the terrain used to be all about stick a gun on a P.O.S. vehicle made of scrap metal n pray you win.
And SC as a whole was all about the simplicity and making it look like this could be the future but now you look at the screen shots and the game is overly complex and it looks fantasy when you see terrain buildings with all rounded corners (like since when did the have the time to make all the supply depots rounded) and terrain are now the Mega race because Blizz gave all the other races unique traits to them like if you attach a power station add-on to a building and you can double que just like the zerg do and now terrain are rigged when it comes to land cause they got a Giant mech with like 9 BFGs while 'toss can reenact Independence Day with the huge lazer beam.

 

[Massive_attack]

If you think that the starcraft storyline (SC2 or otherwise) is possible, well lets just say it explains ALOT. Starcraft is Sci-fi, Science FICTION <- means its false or unlikely to happen, therefore, they can make it so the earth grows a beard and makes love to the moon, its still sci-fi, believe me, there are even less likely sci-fi stories out there and honestly, in a game where marines EXPLODE when they die, realisim just isnt that much of an issue.

edit: when it comes to balance blizzard is probably the best people out there, don't woory, they'll make it work (and work WELL).

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

1.The first SC had only 2 dark templar units, and one came with the expansion. Wth is wrong with adding more?
2. "Oh dear lord! The supply depots are round! The sky is falling!"
3. When sci fi becomes more complex it moves away from fantasy.
4. Yeah, i hate the Thor and Mothership.

 

[Massive_attack]

Ill agree with you on the mothership. looks gay and is so f*ckin IMBALANCED ! I may just try and REMOVE it from the campaings if thats possible, and if not, well im definately cheating the game to hell then, ill need it.

the mothership should die. the thor should get a nerf in size and power.

 

[Elenai]

I like a the mothership its a very nice. (boratism)

I'm sure that it will be balanced. afterall its probably not even in the beta stage yet. I think that new and exciting inovations and updates on the art will be good for the game. I personally cant wait to roast a zerg horde with the mothership.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

IMO what makes me cry is how obvious the nukes are now. "HERE IT IS! YOU ALL SEE NUKE! I'M HERE! KILL ME!"

 

[Just_Spectating]

IMO what makes me cry is how obvious the nukes are now. "HERE IT IS! YOU ALL SEE NUKE! I'M HERE! KILL ME!"

But the nukes are like 10x faster
Thor is built by an SCV, if you want mass thors, its like building 20 barracks and the size is just the size of a siege tank
you can only have one mothership in a game
Zerg is going to be the most GG RACE!!! thats why they save it for last
Heres the answer... SC2 IS BRINGING BACK THE OLD SCHOOL AWSOMENESS OF THE GG UNITS FROM SC

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

please refrain from double posting.

 

[Massive_attack]

IMO what makes me cry is how obvious the nukes are now. "HERE IT IS! YOU ALL SEE NUKE! I'M HERE! KILL ME!"

Rofl nice i totaly forgot about that. Yeah when the nuke markers as big a screen or BASE its hard to make out let alone AVOID ! there should be a "no nukes" multiplayer rule because of that !

Sc1 nukes pissed me off enough now we have this insanity ? thank god the supply depots are nuke proof though.

 

[SeaGull1723]

Just some notes on Mothership.

-You can build more than one Mothership (still costs a lot)
-Mothership no longers has Black Hole ability.
-Mothership now has the cloaking field ability like the Arbiter.
-Cannot attack air units

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Mothership

 

[Just_Spectating]

Just some notes on Mothership.

-You can build more than one Mothership (still costs a lot)
-Mothership no longers has Black Hole ability.
-Mothership now has the cloaking field ability like the Arbiter.
-Cannot attack air units

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Mothership

lol, no blackhole? that sucks, that abil was gg IMO

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

The Black Hole was so awesome...

And BTW, the Mothership in the demo was boosted to show off all its capabilities. It had more life and more energy to spend, which makes it seem very pwnish.

Cloaking on a Mothership? What the hell.

Though maybe they'll make the Black Hole a superweapon. Only problem is that would be almost exactly like in CnC 3...

 

[Flobulon]

I'm sure I read somewher that the nuke markers were only that big to the player who fired the nuke.

 

[Just_Spectating]

then what does it look like for other people? the classical tiny red shimmering dot?

 

[Dionesiist]

It doesn't show maybe? Anyway, Sc2 will be awesome. This is a fact.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

that would suck so bad if it didn't show for the bad guys.

 

[Just_Spectating]

that would suck so bad if it didn't show for the bad guys.

haha "OH $#%!!! WHERES THE NUKE!?!?! BOOOOMM NOOOO MY UNITS!!!!"

 

[Elenai]

Dirty communist scum.....

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

As opposed to clean communist scum

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I personally liked the shiny red dot. Not that obvious, but can be found.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

And then when you finally find it, you get your units the hell out of there.

Besides, it's a pretty fast nuke, so I really wouldn't be worried if the marker showed for everyone.

It's also a weak nuke, with a tiny AoE.

 

[Elenai]

Meh..as long as I get to see a massive explosion.

"I think Explosions are pretty" -Ratchet Deadlocked anouncer-

 

[Massive_attack]

Oh yess, there will be booms. lol.

 

[Zaeden]

Enemy players won't be able to see the nuclear marker. Only yourself, and allies. Assuming it's like other up and coming RTS games with Nuclear weapons, that is.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Enemy players won't be able to see the nuclear marker. Only yourself, and allies. Assuming it's like other up and coming RTS games with Nuclear weapons, that is.

There are many, many, MANY games featuring nukes. They all are different in some way. Red alert 2 has a nuke system that basically reveals the building to the enemy, and you have to wait 10 minutes or so, but when it's ready, you can nuke wherever you want, whenever you want. In the original starcraft, you had to send a ghost over to place a nuke marker, placing a flashing red dot on the screen, waiting and keeping the ghost alive for a while, using a nuke created from an addon to the command center. In Renegades, you had to buy a beacon and place it wherever you wanted, then wait for the kaboom.

 

[Cool Joe Smith]

i once played a game where each race had a super weapon, and they all blew up the opponents base... the funny thing was it was all under water! but i think that it would be awsome to bring back the red dot marker! (even thoo i like the big "Here i am" marker, looks cool)

 

[Just_Spectating]

holy crap that sucks balls!!, the nuke, IS ANYWHERE OMFG IM DEAD!!!! "BOOM" oh yay its just my partner

 

[Massive_attack]

The red dot was excelent, it provided counters to nukes, something ive only seen Act of war do (other than SC, of course).

 

[Just_Spectating]

nukes are badass now, every game will have at least one nuke in it

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Point is, it needs more smoke.

 

[Massive_attack]

Ill agree with you on that one, the nuke doesnt seem to leave enough of an impact IMO.

anyway, this thread really isnt about zealots and archons any more.

 

[Just_Spectating]

well, blizzard isnt dun with sc2 anyway, i bet they'll add a lot more things and stuff

EDIT: this makes me want to play sc !

 

[frostwhisper]

I think the explosion is.. reasonable if you want to avoid lag. As for the dot... imagine how a red zerg would have to find it somewhere around it base... *_*

 

[Massive_attack]

People could do it in SC1, so really its not that much of an issue.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Can't be that hard. The ghost has to be in a general proximity, and that far into the game, if you don't have detectors around to defend, you deserve to get your ass nuked.

 

[Elenai]

True words indeed Spacebar. True words indeed...

 

[PurplePoot]

Nukes are easy to avoid. They're better used for more indirect purposes (tank pushing, etc)

 

[Just_Spectating]

not if you cant see the lil dot pointer and you didnt see the message come up or hear it