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WarCraft: The Movie

Discussion in 'Warcraft Discussion' started by The_wand_mirror, Jan 18, 2007.

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    Khadgar; age and appearance - Wowpedia
     
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    I honestly love the movie so much it killed my interest in WoW. The movie was just that much better, to me. I wouldn't mind a Skyrim-style game set in this universe or Warcraft 3 mods based on it.
     
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    u realize the movie was just an adaptation of warcraft 1?
     
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    By the way, I'd love to see a movie based on Chris Metzen's Of Blood and Honor.
     
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    Well, duh. I think all of us know that. You don't have to be so dismissive.
     
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    The movie was pretty cool and the orcs were the best part, hopefully it gets a sequel. I wonder what it would be based on? Warcraft II?
     
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    Interviews I have read about point to Lord of the Clans. Obviously I would love the focus on this story, but I would also be dissapoined because of the time gap between the first movie.
     
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    I would hope Tides of Darkness and Gul'dan's death, and then a different movie about Thrall; but I'd be satisfied with literally any addition to the original movie.
     
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    no retcons or weird add-ons (as the Alodi).
     
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    Honestly, I liked the lore in the movie better than the actual lore. Alodi I didn't care so much about, but Garona being Medivh's daughter instead of his lover? SO MUCH BETTER. I think I heard that Chris Metzen wrote the movie to be the way it should've been (since, let's face it, the lore has gotten straight up weird with all the gnome technology, excessive races, etc.
     
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    Well, the RTS game manuals don't say anything about that and it's how I want it to be kept.
    Yah, it became Final Fantasy... But that's only one side of the problem... Honestly Warcraft II & III are good in that aspect because there's a stern limit (border of technology and fantasy; keeping it thinly steampunk). However, WoW just went slapdash.
     
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    That's a great point. I wish it would've stayed more or less the same after Warcraft III/vanilla WoW.
     
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    they absolutely cannot miss the idea of War of the Ancients movie prequel
    it can contain both bathing night elven females and epic bloodbath battles against demons with nice plot
    cmon i know u love both
     
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    Thank you so much for writing this. I find it not so common to meet people who share the same view as me. WoW is cool, nice gameplay and all, but the spirit of the old RTS games is long gone (not in terms of gameplay of course, but in terms of lore and general atmosphere). That's mostly because of these few things:
    • An over-use of magic and goblin/gnome technology: too much teleportation, too much use of robots and computers and cell phones, and stuff like that. It kills the immersion imo. A little bit of (unstable) technology won't harm (just like in War 2 and 3). But that much is totally out of place in that kind of fantasy world.
    • Weird races mix: Undead bonding with Orcs and Taurens, seriously? After all Thrall did to help the Horde back on peaceful and shamanic tradition, he'd let his fellow Orcs come close of some nasty Undeads led by self-seeking and dangerous Sylvanas? Same for Taurens, a race close to nature and druidism, they've got nothing to do with the Undead... Oh, and let's not talk about the Draenei and them showing up in Azeroth out of the blue...
    • Weird use of classes: Warlocks controlling demons? Like we didn't have enough trouble with the Burning Legion, we let crazy people wander around the streets followed by demon pets they just summoned? Death Knights in the Alliance and in the Horde? I played the DK quests, they try to explain this, but it's not convincing at all. Even more: Tauren, Night Elf or Troll DK are really out of place.
    Well I could rant on and on about all this, I have dozens of reproaches about the lore in WoW, but I think I'm gonna stop here, I'm being digressing off-topic a bit too much!

    Anyway, I like the idea of Metzen writing the story of Warcraft like it should have been, as long as it sticks by the general spirit of the old lore. I'd love to see a remake of WoW or Warcraft 4 to do it. Oops, off-topic again. I'll watch the movie some time soon so I can have a real opinion about it...
     
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    I've been saying much the same since 2016 -- the Warcraft movie was a much, much better representation of the lore than WoW itself has been in a good long time. I'd say the cynical "that's not saying much" but I'm not really feeling very cynical about this -- it just straight up IS.

    It's not a perfect movie, by any stretch. There are plenty of flaws to be had. But I still find the experience enjoyable and the story itself to be incredibly solid for such an ambitious take on the source material. I also love how it tried to embrace classic lore and modern lore at the same time while trying to find a happy medium between the two, and was just serious enough that you got a sense of the threat. It felt like a live-action Warcraft 3 cinematic, and that is NOT a bad thing despite what some movie critics might say.

    As for the Warcraft 3 and WoW comparisons, yeah there's no question WoW's tone and feel has shifted dramatically from the source material. Honestly I feel as though Classic WoW is where I'll find myself most of the time if it ever comes out, and if I ever feel the need to WoW, and that's only because that's when WoW was still close in tone and feel to Warcraft 3 and the other RTS titles -- though maybe that's just because WoW and WCIII were being developed at the same time and there was some overlap between the dev teams. WCIII is arguably the best game in the series with the 1994 original being a close second.
     
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    Well It's me from the future. As a Warcraft fan and general fan of the high fantasy genre of story telling I really liked the movie and specially liked the changes and the plot twists the made to make the story overall better in all aspects and also still be surprising to people who did know the lore of the entire Second War.

    However as it's clear by now, the movie was a total failure commercially and will in no way get the funding needed for a sequel so it's the end of Warcraft movie series here.

    As who's to blame? It's Blizzard not Jones or Universal and it's obvious why. A Warcraft MOVIE was bound to fail from the start. That is like trying make All of game of Thrones in a movie instead of a series. It's a stupid idea. Warcraft should have been series or not have came to screen at all. Fans liked it but anyone who didn't know about Warcraft would be confused as hell and like the movie at all, that's what happened.

    Blizzard knew this but cause of intense pressure and also mainly cause they wanted advertisement for Warcraft, they went with it anyways knowing the movie will fail regardless. They could make the movie A New hope Star Wars and only focusing on one character and hero's journey and making horde totally Evil. This would piss off a lot fans tho would make for a good movie for people who didn't know anything about Warcraft.

    In the end it did not matter to Blizzard. The Warcraft movie revenue would be pennies to what WOW makes regardless. So they just made the movie as a fan service and an advertisement. Nothing more which is totally a shame.


    However don't lose all hope yet tho. The demand for Fantasy TV series and good story telling them in them is on the Rise. With game of Thrones and Now the upcoming Witcher series and Lord of the Rings series. Investors might think of giving Warcraft a second chance as a TV series tho the bad taste of the movie will always be there. CGI also becoming more accessible, better and cheaper as time passes so making a high fantasy series is not that expensive anymore any longer. Look at CG and the battles in Shannara chronicles for example. Pretty damn good considering the budget. Tho will not have much high hopes since there a lot good high fantasy contenders such as Warhammer fantasy out there with actual lore fit for story not gamers Raid experience.
     
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    Maybe the film could have eventually been better overall, if it had been (much) shorter. Sometimes, less is more.

    The film has been very successful in China.
    Warcraft (2016) - International Box Office Results - Box Office Mojo


    Personally, I like the idea of Warcraft: the Musical.

    I doubt that Blizzard had much involvement (if any at all) in the development, and/or shooting, and/or promotion of the film. Maybe you will want to blame Legendary Pictures instead?

    Warcraft (2016) - Company credits - IMDb

    With such productions, actors sign contracts for two films, in case the first one is successful. If a third film is to be produced, then contracts get re-evaluated (read: the main actors are now in the position to demand a higher salary).

    LOTR: the Young Aragorn Chronicles. omg no. As if Tauriel was not enough already...

    Since you are a general fan of the high fantasy genre of story telling and possibly a fan of the works of J.R.R. Tolkien, then maybe you will be interested in this live action TV series from 1993?

    Hobitit - Wikipedia


    .. and regarding GoT, what would the storytelling be without the hot/questionable stuff, I wonder...

    Maybe LOTR: The TV Series could benefit from some good GoT... err... storytelling, hehe.
    :wink:

    Could you please give us some figures about production costs per episode please?


    The Avengers was an expensive film with many spectacular scenes.
    ...
    ... and then came Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., with its fantastic plots, outstanding acting and incredibly well done CGI stuff. And I am not even talking about Agent Carter.

    :slp:
     
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    That is true and would have been better for non-fans of the series to get a better grasp of Warcraft. However that would mean they had to focus the entire movie on a main on character and few supporting characters with him and idealize the main character as the sole hero. This way it would give better introduction with less characters. Similar to New Hope focus on Luke or Frodo in fellowship. However this goes against whole idea of Warcraft which is a clash of ideals not a one sided heroes journey. They would have to make huge changes to the entire story and not focus on horde at all. This would run the risk of pissing a lot of fans off who have been waiting for years for this movie.




    Well when it comes to financing and accounting of it. The movie is a failure unfortunately and made a loss overall tho breakeven if you are generous. You see hugely expensive block buster movies are risky and you could easily lose all your money. To adjust and compensate for the risk, a really high rate of return is required. Warcraft was far off to providing that. Investors would be far better off to put their money in something far far less riskier than Warcraft and still get the same return.

    When it comes to second movies, generally it's success heavily depends on the success of the first movie. If the first movie was meh and didn't grab much attention let alone negative attention. Second movie generally will be the same so I don't think anyone will be interested in funding it unless Blizzard decides which i highly doubt


    Oh Sorry idk why I wrote Universal instead of Legendary. Yes Legendary was in trouble during the making of movie as I said despite that the movie was executed well. It was only the entire idea and story being wrong similar to the Last Jedi not the execution.

    As for Blizzard, here is Link to Jones quotes on it.
    Warcraft Director Calls Making of the Troubled Film "A [Studio] Political Minefield"

    He says also this:
    "[Wanda] lost or replaced a number of their producing staff halfway through our movie," Jones says. "And at the same time as all of that, we were also working with Blizzard, who understandably were very careful about what happened with the movie because their bread and butter was the game Warcraft, which was bringing in a billion dollars a year for them. So, whatever we did with the movie was likely to be small potatoes compared to how important the game was for them. So it was really a very active political landscape"

    He is being subtle here but you see. A Fan displeasure and backlash to the movie would far more devastating to Blizzard than the movie just pleasing fans but not being successful with majority of Cinema audience. And that was the point whole time. Their incentives was in conflict with Jones who job was to make a great movie for all not a fan-service advertisement for players.

    I'm still highly doubtful about a second movie. Makes on the financial part of it.


    Hmm I thought the new series will be about thousands of years ago far before Aragon. I think it's about Morgoth.

    About the TV series, thanks man didn't about it. Gonna watch it.

    hahaha about that, I don't think it's really what makes GOT great tho. It does help attract publicity and attention tho it doesn't make people stay. Kinda think of that as a trailer to attract audience for a game. The core story and game play is what makes people keep playing tho.

    Unfortunately I couldn't find any regarding Shannara but I'm pretty sure it's really low. I highly doubt MTV would throw anything more than 2-3 mil but that's just a random guess. Shows are not as expensive as you think. Far less expensive than Big Budget movies like The Hobbit or Star Wars. In fact GOT is around 5-10mil per episode while Agents of Shield is 12mil. Nothing in comparison to block buster movies.

    And That's the thing. Warcraft did not need ridiculous amounts of CGI and all big name actors. What it indeed was a lot of character development and expansion of the story and the Warcraft world. Things that TV series can offer not Movies.

    Hell, Instead of that Warcraft movie we could have that 160 million to get 10 episodes twice the quality of Game of Thrones in terms of battles and CG and That would far far better deal tho it would be less advertisement for WOW and more risky than a movie.
     
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    I have read that before Duncan Jones signed to direct the film, the original script was very Humans sided. A second film could have focused on another faction, i.e. the Orcs. Had this happened, it would then have been a daring (and somewhat risky for the second film) attempt at recreating the way the story of Warcraft: Orcs and Humans unfolds from a gamer's point of view.

    I believe that ultimately the film broke even, and maybe was a little bit profitable.

    The (very) rough formula is:
    $433,677,183 - ($160,000,000 x 2)
    note: advertising costs unknown

    Also, do not forget the additional benefits over the years with pay per view or broadcasting rights, for example. Therefore, it *will* be profitable in the long run.

    I want Warcraft: the (Black)rock Opera on Broadway.
    :wink:

    I would say further films are generally a bit less profitable anyway. But it is difficult to generalize here.

    There is no official script written yet afaik but according to TheOneRing.net, the opening season of the show is going to be focused on a young Aragorn, nme.com says.

    I would personally go for such ludicrous titles as Aragorn: a LOTR story, or for LOTR: the lone Ranger.
    :grin:

    In November 2017, Amazon Studios has signed a reported $250m rights contract with the author’s estate, publisher HarperCollins and New Line Cinema to produce this TV series. Production was to begin within two years from the day the contract was signed. The studios will allocate a reported $1bn budget for the show – the biggest in television history, nme.com reports. As of this writing, five seasons are tentatively planned.


    The official production budget for Star Wars: the Force awakens is $245 million (no official one for Star Wars: the last Jedi). There is no official production budget available for The Hobbit trilogy of films afaik.
     
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    I agree. Overall I'm quite happy. I really like the focus on Durotan tho. Despite the fears of a total CGI character not being able to connect with audience he surprised everyone with the performance and kinda carried the movie.
    Still nothing is for certain, I would say the tastes of Cinema audience is shifting towards more Fantasy action and with the Chinese Market growing. The potential for a sequel is not fully lost tho it gets less likely as more time passes.


    LOL
    It could be possible and likely so they can use Aragon to market on Nostalgia. I thought they are gonna do different stories connected to each other rather than one big story.


    Yea Amazon is going Crazy. It's quite unusual for this much money to be placed into a TV series, however success of GOT has got companies more interested in more big budget small Screen TV series. Tolkien's stories tho are proven many times to be extremely profitable even when done not as the best they could (Hobbit Trilogy) So Amazon is going ham. $250 million for the rights is massive tho.