Warcraft 4 Dev Preview (Showcase)

[DeuceGorgon]

Hi
I wanna show you my Warcraft 4 in starcraft 2 mod with first dev preview video.

I wanna know your opinions ,suggestions and ideas :/

 

[Deleted member 219079]

Nice ;P great work this far!

The undead mining sound is a bit annoying though :/

 

[Gismo359]

Looks cool! Im not so sure about the Shaman projectile though.

 

[BlinkBoy]

Mind if I ask what are you using to convert the models to .m3 format? I noticed you could benefit a lot from a tool I'm working on.

 

[DeuceGorgon]

yea but shaman has lightning so in sc 2 isnt nothing with lightning

 

[NWG_Jonas]

Did you convert the models yourself? or is there any library anywhere for all these warcraft 3 models?

I kinda want them for a map im making, Ofc i would give full credit to whoever made the models/skins.

Otherwise the mod itself looks really great!

 

[DeuceGorgon]

Everything is my work, by my time, by my hands, by my mind, everything,

 

[NWG_Jonas]

Everything is my work, by my time, by my hands, by my mind, everything,

Ok, i see. Really Really well made, i appreciate your good work!

 

[peq]

So is the plan to reproduce the original Warcraft 3 exeperiencen in the SC2 engine, or will there be differences?

What is the current status? How many units and abilities have been ported already?

How does it compare to WAH?

 

[DeuceGorgon]

1. I wanna make warcraft 3 but with some changes like change some abilities, old models for better one, better gameplay, maybe some new units

2. Corrent status is undead race is finished and orc to be finished need 2 units , 2 buildings

3. Doesnt compare, i dont wanan use wow models, that isnt work, its very easy to use them and some models have a very confusing graphic, sometimes wow models has better graphic than sc 2 and that looks ugly. And WaH using a very different abilities , similiar to wow, i'm not.

 

[BlinkBoy]

1. I wanna make warcraft 3 but with some changes like change some abilities, old models for better one, better gameplay, maybe some new units

2. Corrent status is undead race is finished and orc to be finished need 2 units , 2 buildings

3. Doesnt compare, i dont wanan use wow models, that isnt work, its very easy to use them and some models have a very confusing graphic, sometimes wow models has better graphic than sc 2 and that looks ugly. And WaH using a very different abilities , similiar to wow, i'm not.

What you need is someone who can combine WoW models with wc3 to produce high quality and unique feeling models.

if you look at: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/de...-to-sc2-made-nice-fast-and-easy-research/#p20.- I've done it with the spell breaker in less than 1 hour. The idea would be to use the original Wc3 Animations and use a combination of WoW meshes with Wc3 meshes and some Sc2 texturing techniques to give a unique feeling.

I believe that if it's done correctly, you'll have the best of the three games. the idea then would be to try to generate specular maps and normal maps with an inclination on making contrast towards the highest parts of the model. That and some color theory should get the models to look just right in Sc2.

Btw in that thread there's a photoshop action to convert textures to Diffuse/Specular and normal maps. I suggest you use them to improve the quality of your wc3 models in Sc2.

 

[DeuceGorgon]

i like my version, i dont wanna have best quality like wow models, my models are good in sc 2 because starcraft 2 has a automatic shadows and lighting etc... so models are converted into this quality. And i dont wanna use any wow model, i can only some doddads and destructibe , coz like i see, any warcraft maker using only wow models, i dont like too much wow and still love warcraft 3 so i wanna make my own version :3

But thank you for opinion and suggesion ,and you made it nice

 

[BlinkBoy]

i like my version, i dont wanna have best quality like wow models, my models are good in sc 2 because starcraft 2 has a automatic shadows and lighting etc... so models are converted into this quality. And i dont wanna use any wow model, i can only some doddads and destructibe , coz like i see, any warcraft maker using only wow models, i dont like too much wow and still love warcraft 3 so i wanna make my own version :3

But thank you for opinion and suggesion ,and you made it nice

There's also another option, which is increasing details on Wc3 models by adding poligons, reunwrapping and reskinning(linking geometry to bones) the models. One could also reproject the original texture and create ambient occlusion to improve their feeling. The shield on the footman could also benefit from decals and some other models could also use new sc2 feutures.

Also, I noticed your models don't have the original particle emitters. Do you have a modeler who has access to Sc2 Art Tools? I have a version of my NeoDex Importer which works for Sc2 art Tools and it recreates all the effects.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

There's also another option, which is increasing details on Wc3 models by adding poligons, reunwrapping and reskinning(linking geometry to bones) the models. One could also reproject the original texture and create ambient occlusion to improve their feeling. The shield on the footman could also benefit from decals and some other models could also use new sc2 feutures.

That's a lot of work for one person to do :/

 

[BlinkBoy]

That's a lot of work for one person to do :/

That would be 1 day per model for someone with decent knowledge of 3ds max. If he uses NeoDex tools and does the first part on Wc3, it could take 4 hours each with some practice. It will also depend on the model itself. For instance, the footman can be done in 3 hours, a doodad in 30 minutes, a building perhaps more.

I think I'll try experimenting with that once I finish fixing the NeoDex importer. The newest version, makes the job be easy.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

There's 834 units, 247 destructibles and 469 doodads. Taken ~20% of these are duplicate models, there's roughly 1,24k models to rewrap. If it'd take 2 hr per model, it'd take 2,28k hours to rewrap them all. If he worked on them for like 4 hours a day, it'd take 570 days to finish rewrapping them all.

 

[BlinkBoy]

There's 834 units, 247 destructibles and 469 doodads. Taken ~20% of these are duplicate models, there's roughly 1,24k models to rewrap. If it'd take 2 hr per model, it'd take 2,28k hours to rewrap them all. If he worked on them for like 4 hours a day, it'd take 570 days to finish rewrapping them all.

don't do it on every model just main races models: heros, basic units and buildings.

That's around 150. with avarage of 3 hours per model. It's 450 hours divided by 5 modelers it's 90 hours of work per modeler. that can be achieved in 4 months if each modeler does around 8 hours a week. It's possible.

 

[DeuceGorgon]

hah, i will do my work, by my own ok? THANK you for suggestions I dont wanna waste my life time by sc 2. I'm graphic designer doing something different and this is my hobby. And i dont wanna make a cool , perfect model into game which has it. And models after rewrap and retexture etc.. should looks cool , but they looks totaly perfectly ugly, a lot of perfect graphic can hurt eyes.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Damn those WC3 models look so much better in SC2 than WC3.

My only complaint with it so far is the mining mechanics are not quite right. They work perfectly acceptably but they lack the bling that WC3 had. Eg the haunted gold mine in WC3 arranged them all nicely in a circle around it with awesome ritualistic decals on the ground, where as yours clump to one of the edges in this.

You may also want to look into using WoW models for some key things. They closer match the SC2 native quality and are not too much for the game engine.

 

[DeuceGorgon]

with pro haunted gold mine i need a help

 

[WOWWARS]

Cool, sc2 may need a revival of wc3 style gameplay in time for Lotv.

 

[DeuceGorgon]

Lotv will be good for campaign but for melee bullshet becase new units etc will be avaible only in custom maps from editor but for melee nothing and

ADD ME on skype Patrikus11 if you wanna test warcraft iv versions before public.

 

[Dr Super Good]

You can make content mods to alter melee behaviour. This was a recent addition to SC2.

 

[DeuceGorgon]

I need help with pro gold mine of undead how to make 5 glyphs and each acolyte to one ..

 

[Eagle XI]

IDK why you made orc & undead first instead the orc & human which formed the core since wc1.
Anyways i watched the vid and like to point out that the Shamans lightning ball is an actual projectile weapon in wc3 as opposed to the instant shot lightning you have used in there. The only thing with instant weapon is Rifleman in wc3 and you effectively overpowered Shamans with this change.
Whats the orange thunder effect on the ground for, earthquake ?

 

[DeuceGorgon]

yes , no effect for earthquake and when i finish orc i will work on human, this game should be released enough but i wanna show you my work and you have to test it and whati should change, etc.. But i dont wanna 100% copy of warcraft 3, some things i will change , only some spells i mean. So enjoy it

 

[Deleted member 219079]

How about UI? Will you out the wc3 one there?

 

[DeuceGorgon]

nope, sc 2 classic is ok and better.

 

[BandolXD]

I don't play StarCraft but this looks awesome. Native models of Warcraft III in StarCraft !

 

[DeuceGorgon]

so you can start play starcraft Xd

 

[Jerry1994]

This looks promising anyone thinks he can make an azeroth wars style map on sc2?

 

[Statharas]

Moved to Mod forum

 

[WOWWARS]

This looks promising anyone thinks he can make an azeroth wars style map on sc2?

I hope so but its just so hard since Wc3 is natural with modding Sc2 it takes time to learn and even then it's not going to be the same.

 

[Deleted member 212788]

I strongly Suggest doing something about the UI. The SC2 UI completely breaks the immersion factor for me. I haven't messed with SC2 editor almost at all so I have no idea how much work that requires but it's still a suggestion. You also might want to take some ground textures from WoW, not all, but some.