Unit max?

[Boar]

I dont mean the pop cap. But what is the actual max amount of units on map?

Reason: Trying to make a dwarf fortress styled map, If theres a unit cap then project is going down the drain.

Note: Units only have 6 polies

 

[Kala]

There isn't any cap.
You can freely put 2 million dwarfs to fight each other.

 

[Boar]

Well, that seems to be a lie.

When Im spawning my over 9000 walls over 3 seconds...

"ERROR NOT ENOUGH MEMORY SADFACE CRASH!"

 

[Kala]

It depends from computer. My laptop lags if you create 100 units in second, while my desktop
can handle over 5000 units in seconds without lags.

PS. Why do you have to make 9k walls? Thats little too much?

 

[Boar]

Its 87 x 12 So, 800 or something

Edit: Heres a link to the map, someone please tell me that its not the amount of units causing the errors, I would really like to see a DF map
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin_data/ix75hq/_files/test.w3x

 

[Boar]

Argh, Bump?

 

[SA Dashie]

I've tested the map and the first problem was that the starting area was in the out of bounds area, strange though when the fatal error came up that there was litruly nothing on the dialog! after moving the starting position i tested again and the fatal error came up with 'Not enough storage is avaliable to process this comans' so oviously after moving the starting point there is to many processes happening at once. If yo want me to over look the map properly just ask me to if you have problems.

 

[Boar]

Yeah, Death. I would love you to look over the map and anyone else, to see if you can fix the errors <3

 

[SA Dashie]

lol its just simple your creating to many units in a short looping time. I dont see why you need that many "stones" so just reduce how many spawn because creating units does create a slight lag and youve created heaps! even when i changed the event for creating stones to every 10 seconds there is a slight lag and when more spawned the lag got worse (even though you fixed leaks xD). So if you realy need to spawn that mant units make a dlight delay indetween each one is created! That is the only problem to untis being made at once xD

edit: if my note pad cant handle it dont do it xD.

 

[Master_Elite]

LOL you kill the system doing that, the engine breaks off of the program and dies............so i'm gonna try and fix this insane mess, my computer is pratically the best, so im gonna try and fix this problem....

 

[Boar]

Thanks for the support guys, We have a mini competition going on in here! XD

 

[Master_Elite]

are you by anychance making a minecraft map, i think id no those squares anywhere.....

 

[Boar]

Nah, Im making something similar to Dwarf Fortress, Just using those textures atm because they are the only thing that resembles a rock xD

 

[Master_Elite]

hmm, i just made a junk trigger, my thoughts, it's in your trigger, i just did a trigger that spawned 100 of those units a second and it tells me my computer can take 6000units with a lag and 7800 untill freeze but still no error...............im gonna keep looking at it though....

 

[Boar]

Thanks mate

 

[Master_Elite]

Sorry, i think it may just be your triggers or something..................i tried i don't know whats wrong.....

 

[SA Dashie]

lol so why do you want so many stones creayed in a short delayed loopxD

edit: would it matter if you do it all on map initiolization?

 

[Boar]

No it wouldnt matter really, Im trying to make it feel like a cave you can dig out. I just did it like that because its systematic and easy to make.

 

[SA Dashie]

lol instead of puting so mucheffort into trying to get help for something that isnt needed you could of just playesed it already in WE a while ago =;/

 

[Boar]

Argh, thats not the problem. The problem is that the amount of units created is causign the game to crash. And because of this, I am wondering if there is a unit cap the engine can handle.

 

[SA Dashie]

instead use them as dodads(or whatever special other name). But remember there actualy is a limit for those. but remember to set them as a targetable object. I think this is the solution to your problem

 

[Boar]

I'll give it a shot.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Although there is no real limit to the number of units. More than 100 per player is impractical.

The WC3 pathing system only can update the mini movements of 30-60 units a second odd per player and the mini moves generally are sort or interupted by a unit collision. This means that if you move 1000 units only 30 or less are moving at any time. The result is unplayable streams of units going very slowly everywhere around the map which is very bad map making.

SC2 does allow for fluid movement of hundreds of units but 1000s cause unplayable performance.

 

[Boar]

Thanks DSG, but I still would like to know what is causing the crash; Thats why I thought there was a unit max. Im using these blocks as units because its easier to trigger and I can add several passive abillities to them. E.G (Reduce Damage to 1) So that these walls would behave like normal cavern walls.

 

[Dr Super Good]

How much memory you got in your computer?

What may not crash people like me with 4 GB of RAM (I have 6 but 32 bit WC3 can use 4 only) could crash someone with 512 MB of RAM (Well beyond the system requiments for WC3).

 

[Boar]

I have (Had?) Somewhat of A super computer, 4gb ram, Ati HD 4870. No chance war3 could be crashing becuase of my system.

 

[Dr Super Good]

"ERROR NOT ENOUGH MEMORY SADFACE CRASH!"

Not enough memory errors only have 1 cause.

The program was unable to allocate the memory which it requires.

This is limited to 4 GB, or less in reality.
Creating units may cause a memory spike. Even if it drops to under 1 GB after it is done, it is possible that in the mean time it could exceede the maximum allocatable memory for the program and thus cause an out of memory crash.

 

[Boar]

Not enough memory errors only have 1 cause.

The program was unable to allocate the memory which it requires.

This is limited to 4 GB, or less in reality.
Creating units may cause a memory spike. Even if it drops to under 1 GB after it is done, it is possible that in the mean time it could exceede the maximum allocatable memory for the program and thus cause an out of memory crash.

I've tried spawning it once every 20 seconds, still the same crash. It seems to happen when > 11*34 walls are created

 

[Dr Super Good]

Giving us the map with the crash would help. The link has expired that was posted previously.

 

[Boar]

Alright, I'll upload it tonight.

 

[Boar]

Heres the link: https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin_data/qq1si7/_files/test.w3x

 

[Dr Super Good]

The only possible explination is that the WC3 program was made to only allocate so much memeory for units, after which it crashes.

 

[Boar]

So, theres no way of fixing this problem, other than reducing the size of the map?

 

[Dr Super Good]

WC3 was crashing for me when under 300 MB... I have seen WC3 reach 500 MB in some large RPGS and more in leaky maps. There is no way it can be out of memory so my only guess is that some system in the game allocates itself a finite amount of memeory after which it will crash even though it could continue working if it was able to allocate itself more memory.

 

[sephiroth1234]

For the equivalent consumption of RAM of each object in a map is:

1 map object = 2 bytes of RAM

(As far as I know)

 

[Dr Super Good]

map object = 2 bytes of RAM

If only... That would be awesome. I could then fit google onto my phone and my Xbox could run SC2.

A single integer is 4 bytes (32 bits). The handle ID for an object on the map alone is 1 integer. The unit health and mana are floats of some kind so thats atleast 32 bits each. Armor likewise. Let us not forget movement speed.

By the time you sum all those, you will notice that each object is in the order of 100s of bytes atleast. A unit may infact be kilobytes as it has animation data as well.