True Taunt ability (make taunted units ignore player commands completely)

Ugabunda · Jan 3, 2022

Hi guys,

I read a lot of threads how to make a taunt ability that forces enemies to attack a target for X seconds.

The best I found was this:

Events
- Unit - A unit Is issued an order targeting an object
- Unit - A unit Is issued an order targeting a point
- Unit - A unit Is issued an order with no target
Actions
- Set VariableSet BerserkerCall_UnitTemp = (Triggering unit)
- Set VariableSet BerserkerCall_Target_CV = (Custom value of BerserkerCall_UnitTemp)
- Trigger - Turn off (This trigger)
- Unit - Order BerserkerCall_UnitTemp to Attack BerserkerCall_Caster[BerserkerCall_Target_CV]
- Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)

However, when testing it does not really work. The taunted unit can still be ordered to do something else - which renders the above in my opinion useless.
So as "workaround" I use another (in addition to the above) trigger that forces the taunted unit to attack the target every 0.03 seconds. But this is really inefficient and can still be circumvented by clicking very fast...

So my question: Does anyone have a better solution to make a unit completely ignore player commands while taunted?

Solu9 · Jan 3, 2022

You could switch owner of the taunted unit to an NPC ally of the player who controls the taunted unit, and order it to attack the taunter. Check for duration and switch it back to the player when the duration is over.

Uncle · Jan 3, 2022

Warcraft 3 simply doesn't offer a function for this desired behavior. Maybe someone out there has discovered the secret but I've yet to see any map pull it off and there's no solution on Hive.

I would just give up on this one and accept that it's flawed.

A]mun · Jan 3, 2022

Didn't Icefrog succeed with Axe's Berserker's Call in DotA?
Maybe this helps too: How to disable a player from controlling a unit?

Karzama · Jan 3, 2022

A bit of a weird option... but could you make the owner become unable of selecting the unit? If they can't select the unit they can't give it orders? (Automatic orders from AI or autocast abilities wouldn't be stopped by this though...)

Uncle · Jan 3, 2022

A]mun said:
Didn't Icefrog succeed with Axe's Berserker's Call in DotA?
Maybe this helps too: How to disable a player from controlling a unit?

I'm pretty sure Dota uses the same method mentioned here and in that thread you linked, which is not a true taunt. Then again, the last time I played Dota 1 was around 12 years ago.

Ugabunda · Jan 4, 2022

Thanks all.

@Solu9 I will need to investigate how to do this in my map. I think the problem is that chaning the player will require some reworks of other systems in my map. For example, I use a kill/death/last player attacker system to show who the killer of a unit is. Switching a taunted unit to another player will mess this up a bit (but I guess with Bribe's "LethalDamageEvent" that could work...)

@A]mun / @Karzama As Uncle wrote, Dota uses the same method described above. Unfortunately the ward/unselect methods don't work (ward can still be controlled, the buttons are just hidden, and unselect doesn't work because in an online game the player can still briefly select the unit and give it commands due to online delay)

@DracoL1ch Have you solved this issue in your dota map?

Pwnica · Jan 4, 2022

Here is an Example how you can disable the control of the player just test it...
if i get you right thats what you want to not use any hotkeys or move or anything just seeing doing your unit was the command your enemies ability do for him...
in second 6 the enemy fears you you will have 5 seconds no control about your unit
in second 12 he fears your allie hero and he will have no control but you are still good to use anything just test it

Triggers:

Death Coil Disable Control
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Starts the effect of an ability
- Conditions
  - (Ability being cast) Equal to Todesmantel
- Actions
  - Set VariableSet DeathCoilUnit[(Player number of (Owner of (Target unit of ability being cast)))] = (Target unit of ability being cast)
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - (Owner of DeathCoilUnit[(Player number of (Owner of (Target unit of ability being cast)))]) Equal to Player 1 (Red)
    - Then - Actions
      - Selection - Select DeathCoilUnit[1] for Player 1 (Red)
      - Cinematic - Disable user control for Player Group - Player 1 (Red).
      - Trigger - Turn on Death Coil Timer Player Red <gen>
    - Else - Actions
      - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (Owner of DeathCoilUnit[(Player number of (Owner of (Target unit of ability being cast)))]) Equal to Player 2 (Blue)
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Selection - Select DeathCoilUnit[2] for Player 2 (Blue)
        
        Cinematic - Disable user control for Player Group - Player 2 (Blue).
        
        Trigger - Turn on Death Coil Timer Player Blue <gen>
        
        Else - Actions

Death Coil Timer Player Red
- Events
  - Time - Every 1.00 seconds of game time
- Conditions
- Actions
  - Set VariableSet DeathCoilTimer[1] = (DeathCoilTimer[1] + 1)
  - Unit - Order DeathCoilUnit[1] to Move To (Random point in (Playable map area))
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - DeathCoilTimer[1] Greater than or equal to 5
    - Then - Actions
      - Trigger - Turn off (This trigger)
      - Set VariableSet DeathCoilTimer[1] = 0
      - Cinematic - Enable user control for Player Group - Player 1 (Red).
      - Selection - Select DeathCoilUnit[1] for Player 1 (Red)
      - Set VariableSet DeathCoilUnit[1] = No unit
    - Else - Actions

Death Coil Timer Player Blue
- Events
  - Time - Every 1.00 seconds of game time
- Conditions
- Actions
  - Set VariableSet DeathCoilTimer[2] = (DeathCoilTimer[2] + 1)
  - Unit - Order DeathCoilUnit[2] to Move To (Random point in (Playable map area))
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - DeathCoilTimer[2] Greater than or equal to 5
    - Then - Actions
      - Trigger - Turn off (This trigger)
      - Set VariableSet DeathCoilTimer[2] = 0
      - Cinematic - Enable user control for Player Group - Player 2 (Blue).
      - -------- This Trigger under this comment its only because hes an Computer Player... and if move was his last order he wont get back in combat and do anything without AI --------
      - Unit - Order DeathCoilUnit[2] to Attack Todesritter 0002 <gen>
      - Selection - Select DeathCoilUnit[2] for Player 2 (Blue)
      - Set VariableSet DeathCoilUnit[2] = No unit
    - Else - Actions

Ugabunda · Jan 4, 2022

Thanks! This is actually promising!
It sucks a bit that you no longer see the mouse, but it does indeed disable the hero while still forcing him to use trigger commands.

Let me play around and post the trigger.

Pwnica · Jan 4, 2022

i mean depends on for what you need it if you have only one hero in a boss fight its fine.. if you have other building and units you can select and control it sucks a bit because you are forced to do nothing...
but maybe there is a jass command im not sure...

Ps. wenn du es genau wie in wow willst lock die kamera zu der unit und reset die dann in dem timer trigger

Ugabunda · Jan 5, 2022

Thanks a lot Pwnica, although not perfect, in my opinion that's better than what I currently use (at least the taunted player cannot click very fast to prevent some attacks) :wthumbsup:

That fear effect reminded me of Chopinski's Sylvanas hero concept, so I thought maybe he has a smart solution. He apparently uses this Fear system:

Fear System v3

Hi everyone, Here is my first submission there. It is a fear system. What is a fear ? It is a crowd control that makes the target to move randomly while being unable to attack or get orders from the owner of the unit. Here is the code (and the doc at the beggining) with Vex's Table or...

www.hiveworkshop.com

@Uncle: I don't really understand what is going on there, but might some triggers from there be useful to create a taunt, without loosing access over ALL units?

Here the trigger if anyone is interested:

Berserker Call
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Starts the effect of an ability
- Conditions
  - (Ability being cast) Equal to Berserker's Call
- Actions
  - Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_CasterTemp = (Triggering unit)
  - -------- --------
  - Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_Point = (Position of BerserkersCall_CasterTemp)
  - Unit - Create 1 Dummy (Fly/Speed 0) for Neutral Passive at BerserkersCall_Point facing Default building facing degrees
  - Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_Dummy = (Last created unit)
  - Unit - Add Berserker's Call (Dummy) to BerserkersCall_Dummy
  - Ability - Set Ability: (Unit: BerserkersCall_Dummy's Ability with Ability Code: Berserker's Call (Dummy))'s Real Level Field: Duration - Normal ('adur') of Level: 0 to (1.60 + (0.40 x (Real((Level of Berserker's Call for BerserkersCall_CasterTemp)))))
  - Ability - Set Ability: (Unit: BerserkersCall_Dummy's Ability with Ability Code: Berserker's Call (Dummy))'s Real Level Field: Duration - Hero ('ahdu') of Level: 0 to (1.60 + (0.40 x (Real((Level of Berserker's Call for BerserkersCall_CasterTemp)))))
  - Unit - Add a 0.50 second Generic expiration timer to BerserkersCall_Dummy
  - -------- --------
  - Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true
  - Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units within 300.00 of BerserkersCall_Point.) and do (Actions)
    - Loop - Actions
      - Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_Unit = (Picked unit)
      - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (BerserkersCall_Unit is alive) Equal to True
        
        (BerserkersCall_Unit is A structure) Equal to False
        
        (BerserkersCall_Unit belongs to an enemy of (Owner of BerserkersCall_CasterTemp).) Equal to True
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_CV = (Custom value of BerserkersCall_Unit)
        
        Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_Caster[BerserkersCall_CV] = BerserkersCall_CasterTemp
        
        Unit - Order BerserkersCall_Dummy to Neutral Brewmaster - Drunken Haze BerserkersCall_Unit
        
        -------- --------
        
        Unit - Order BerserkersCall_Unit to Attack BerserkersCall_CasterTemp
        
        -------- --------
        
        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (BerserkersCall_Unit is in BerserkersCall_Group.) Equal to False
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Unit Group - Add BerserkersCall_Unit to BerserkersCall_Group
        
        -------- --------
        
        Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_PlayerGroup = (Player group((Owner of BerserkersCall_Unit)))
        
        Cinematic - Disable user control for BerserkersCall_PlayerGroup.
        
        Custom script: call DestroyForce(udg_BerserkersCall_PlayerGroup)
        
        Else - Actions
        
        Else - Actions
  - Custom script: call RemoveLocation (udg_BerserkersCall_Point)
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - (Number of units in BerserkersCall_Group) Greater than 0
      - (Berserker Call Loop <gen> is on) Equal to False
    - Then - Actions
      - Countdown Timer - Start BerserkersCall_Timer as a Repeating timer that will expire in 0.03 seconds
      - Trigger - Turn on Berserker Call Loop <gen>
    - Else - Actions

Berserker Call Loop
- Events
  - Time - BerserkersCall_Timer expires
- Conditions
- Actions
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - (Number of units in BerserkersCall_Group) Greater than 0
    - Then - Actions
      - Unit Group - Pick every unit in BerserkersCall_Group and do (Actions)
        
        Loop - Actions
        
        Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_Unit = (Picked unit)
        
        Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_CV = (Custom value of BerserkersCall_Unit)
        
        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (BerserkersCall_Unit is alive) Equal to True
        
        (BerserkersCall_Unit has buff Berserker's Call Target) Equal to True
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Unit - Order BerserkersCall_Unit to Attack BerserkersCall_Caster[BerserkersCall_CV]
        
        Else - Actions
        
        Unit Group - Remove BerserkersCall_Unit from BerserkersCall_Group.
        
        -------- --------
        
        Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_Caster[BerserkersCall_CV] = No unit
        
        Unit - Order BerserkersCall_Unit to Stop.
        
        -------- --------
        
        Set VariableSet BerserkersCall_PlayerGroup = (Player group((Owner of BerserkersCall_Unit)))
        
        Cinematic - Enable user control for BerserkersCall_PlayerGroup.
        
        Custom script: call DestroyForce(udg_BerserkersCall_PlayerGroup)
    - Else - Actions
      - Countdown Timer - Pause BerserkersCall_Timer
      - Trigger - Turn off (This trigger)

Uncle · Jan 5, 2022

That Fear ability seems to take advantage of Hiding units locally and Morph abilities (not too sure what these do). Still not really what you want though, I don't think a true taunt is possible.

DoomBlade · Jan 5, 2022

Makeshift Taunt Ability

I made this really really bad taunt ability Taunt Cast Events Unit - A unit Starts the effect of an ability Conditions (Ability being cast) Equal to Taunt Actions Unit Group - Add all units of (Units within 300.00 of (Position of (Casting unit)) matching...

www.hiveworkshop.com

In this thread there is an taunt I made for someone, it removes the unit selection. Works like a charm in single player, not tested in multiplayer.

Check it out

Ugabunda · Jan 5, 2022

Hey, thanks DoomBlade. Yeah unfortunately the unselect method doesn't work in multiplayer, as there is always a delay online where you can briefly control the unit.

Solu9 · Jan 6, 2022

Edit: I just rewrote the whole post. It got messy with all those edits.

So here is, what seems to be, a functioning Taunt ability.
It uses a computer controlled ally which acts as a swapper controller while the unit is taunted.
All players except for swapper players have an upgrade called TauntReg which is set to level 1 when the map initializes.
When a unit is taunted it gets swapped to the corresponding computer controlled ally, thereby losing the TauntReg upgrade and therefore won't be able to use abilities, and is orders to attack the taunter for the duration of the Taunt. When the duration ends, the unit will be swapped back to the original owner, thus regaining the TauntReg upgrade and will be able to use abilities again.
I would highly recommend that your swapper ally players are used from last player (player 24) and downwards -> 23 -> 22 -> 21 etc.
Remember for each team in your map you will need a computer controlled swapper ally.

The Taunt ability should support multi-users. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Requirements:

For each team in the map there needs to be a corresponding swapper ally player.
ALL abilities on units that are tauntable must have the Techtree - Requirement of the upgrade TauntReg.

Test map specifics:

Right now the taunted unit changes color for the sake of visual confirmation, just change that to "retain color" in the trigger.
You can see the blue unit will continuously cast Holy Light when not taunted (standard AI behavior, this is not triggered), but only attack while it is.
Most importantly. Even if you change the blue unit to Player 1 and taunts it, you won't be able to control it.
Please check the forces settings in the editor as well. It's important that you set forces up correctly.

It's been ages since I used the editor so the triggers probably look horrible

https://imgur.com/yoKvshV

https://imgur.com/A8Fx5sZ

@Ugabunda @Uncle - thought you might find this interesting

Ugabunda · Jan 7, 2022

Thanks Solu! From a pure "does it work" perspective this is probably the best solution.
Especially if you add these 2 select commands to the triggers, then for the taunted player it really looks as if your taunted unit lost control, but it's still the same unit:

Selection - Select TauntedUnit for TauntedPlayer

Selection - Select TauntedUnits[Taunted_int] for TauntedPlayers[Taunted_int]

The issue with the change ownership solution is just that it conflicts a bit with other systems in my map. In my map, whenever a player unit attacks another player unit, I keep track of this "last attacker". I do this because when a player hero dies, all attacking players are credited for the kill. Hence the change ownership solution is not as easily applicable in my case, as I will need to link the computer controlled swapper unit to the player to which the unit originally belonged to, so that players who attacked the computer swapper also get credit. But I think I can do this, I will just need some time to work it out - so thanks!

One comment: Is this TauntReg even required?

Currently I don't think it does anything, as the TestUnit_1 and 2 don't even have the Upgrades and the "Taunt Setup" is just setting the TauntDuration = 5.

Solu9 · Jan 7, 2022

Ugabunda said:
The issue with the change ownership solution is just that it conflicts a bit with other systems in my map. In my map, whenever a player unit attacks another player unit, I keep track of this "last attacker". I do this because when a player hero dies, all attacking players are credited for the kill.

Here you could do an "if" when determining the "last attacker". Some pseudo code:

Code:

if - Last Attacker has Buff of type Taunted
then - Loop through TauntedUnits
      if - TauntedUnits[integer] = Last Attacker
      then - Change Last Attacker's owner to TauntedPlayers[integer]

Implement how you see fit. Point being that you can get the true owner of the taunted unit by iterating through TauntedUnits[].

Ugabunda said:
One comment: Is this TauntReg even required?

You might have version 0.2?
This is how it looks in 0.3

In version 0.3 I went from having a unit as TauntReg to use an upgrade instead.
It's also the abilities, and not the units that require this Techtree - Requirement.
I subtract the number of teams here, because I feel it's best to use the last players as swapper players. You can change this to whatever you feel like of course.
What's important is that the swapper ally players do not gain the TauntReg upgrade.

Edit:
Note that after looking through the triggers again, I can see that it's still not multi-user eligible. Well, it's multi-player eligible, but again only if each player controls one unit. Since right now, if you taunt a second unit of a player, and the last unit of that player is still taunted, the first will be stuck in an infinite ally owner state.
I'll look into this.

Solu9 · Jan 7, 2022

Alright I think everything is working properly now.
I'm now storing in a hashtable instead of variables which enables the system to handle as many taunted units as you want.
First time really using hashtables so I'm kinda surprised it works.

Anyway.
To get what player a taunted Last Attacker really belongs to (assuming Last Attacker is a unit), you now need to do (again pseudo code):

Code:

if - Last Attacker has Buff of type Taunted
then -
TempPlayer* = Load (key Player.) of (Key(Last Attacker).) from TauntedHash

*TempPlayer is just a player variable to add a reference to the original owner of the taunted unit.

Something along those lines. You have to work this out on your own to fit it to your map.

I've added a TauntBuffer unit so the players can see the Taunted Buff on a taunted unit along with some visuals.
Everything else should be the same.

https://imgur.com/UHplQiE

Edit:
I've uploaded the system in the spells section -
Taunt System

Ugabunda · Jan 8, 2022

Solu9 said:
It's also the abilities, and not the units that require this Techtree - Requirement.
I subtract the number of teams here, because I feel it's best to use the last players as swapper players. You can change this to whatever you feel like of course.
What's important is that the swapper ally players do not gain the TauntReg upgrade.

And you use this "dummy upgrade" to prevent the neutral player from activating any abilities, correct?
Maybe I can just change the AI, but just an idea?

Solu9 said:
I've added a TauntBuffer unit so the players can see the Taunted Buff on a taunted unit along with some visuals.
Everything else should be the same.

Thanks a lot - looks already better

Solu9 · Jan 8, 2022

Ugabunda said:
And you use this "dummy upgrade" to prevent the neutral player from activating any abilities, correct?
Maybe I can just change the AI, but just an idea?

Thanks a lot - looks already better

Oh yeah sure. If you can limit the use of abilities in general for a certain player that should do the trick as well.
Keep me informed if you come up with anything.

True Taunt ability (make taunted units ignore player commands completely)

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