Tom and Jerry 2011 [3.6a]

[Moderator]

13:49, 9th Jun 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Approved

 

[Freeze87]

I made this map for all fans of old map Cat catch the mouse or Brazilian version of Tom and Jerry with no english description. I just started this map so pls give comments,sugestions and bug reports.

 

[jxtranghero]

this is fun I like it!!!

 

[Freeze87]

this is fun I like it!!!

tnx man +rep for first comment and test.

 

[MagiC_AntO.]

Good idea and well execute , funny !!

 

[Freeze87]

Tnx for comment man

 

[light bolt30]

Please fix screenshoots to screenshots. Also the terrain is quite plain, with only one tile set being used and a few doodads lying around judging from the preview image. You should use a variation of height, doodads, tile sets, etc.

 

[Mumbis]

Love tags, and this one was quite fun, tho a little small map, but still, fun
5/5 and +rep!

/Mumbis

 

[Freeze87]

Tnx Mumbis, yes map can be little biger...this is mini or fast tag but i will maybe increase map size in future version

Light Bolt you are right, i can add more tiles and doodats, but clifs and high ground are not for this map. Building barricades is one of most important things in the game so players need clear space.

Tnx for comments guys!

 

[Mumbis]

Imo, you should leave the terrain as it is, since it's a tag, it's not some RPG thingy
There's a reason why tags usually don't have any terrain or doodads ^^

 

[Freeze87]

Yea you are right, most of tags have simple terrain...Main reason is that you need clear ground to build easy....In this map, each mouse need to build lot of barricades.Doodats or clifs willl only get in the way.., i will only use little more tiles or small details...

 

[Marc Mamales]

Ah, played this yesterday and it's a funny map. )

 

[Freeze87]

Ah, played this yesterday and it's a funny map. )

Tnx for playing man, and tnx for comment

 

[Mumbis]

Ye, please keep the terrain simple, since it's a tag otherwise people would complain about not being able to build x)

 

[Voltage_02]

love thsi i like the cat models 5/5 for me

 

[Freeze87]

Tnx for comment man and tnx for playing

 

[Kunfury]

Fun map but it really needs to be a bit bigger, i was building my base and ran straight into the cats place. And also do any of the mouse units have inventory and if so who? But overall fun game. 3/5

 

[Ridd]

The screenshots looks awesome i wanna try it!

 

[YellowAfterlife]

Hey, where did original credits go?
A lot of people were making the map till the moment you 'picked it up', do you discard fact of their existance?

 

[Freeze87]

Hey, where did original credits go?
A lot of people were making the map till the moment you 'picked it up', do you discard fact of their existance?

Man i made whole map alone, i didnt edit map of some other guy. Yes idea is not mine, map is based on Cat catch the mouse,or Tom e Jerry BR. I only can give credits to guy who is owner of map idea, but map cat catch the mouse is done very noobish, with no description and no credits so i dont know who he is.And btw i made my version by request of some fans of that old map cat catch the mouse becouse they wonted better done map with more stuff and with full description on english so i made this map for them.


Kynfury: Heroes have invertory, you can build them in the Altar....Yes map can be little biger, i made it small becouse this map need to have fast gameplay and fans wonted like them...But i will maybe little increase map size.

 

[Kunfury]

kk if you need some help or anything dont hesitate to ask me, im actually trying to make a huge map atm, please check it out at http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/project-recruitment-256/war-gods-191289/

 

[Freeze87]

kk if you need some help or anything dont hesitate to ask me, im actually trying to make a huge map atm, please check it out at http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/project-recruitment-256/war-gods-191289/

tnx, and i will check your map

 

[Marc Mamales]

Hey sir, there's a bug. the Cat's Spirit Walkers can attack the cage. omg

 

[Freeze87]

Are you shure that you seen that in this version? That bug was in old one, i tested in this version when i seen you bug report and cat's spirit walker cant attack cage.You maybe seen that in old ver, or you didnt see good, cat's and mouse spirit walker look same,maybe you didnt see good?

 

[Marc Mamales]

Are you shure that you seen that in this version? That bug was in old one, i tested in this version when i seen you bug report and cat's spirit walker cant attack cage.You maybe seen that in old ver, or you didnt see good, cat's and mouse spirit walker look same,maybe you didnt see good?

oh sorry, i didn't see it. its from version 1.3
btw can u please put the version on the name? Like: Tom and Jerry v1.6 so its easy to recognize, thanks.

 

[Voltage_02]

im hosting this on garena many are joining

 

[Freeze87]

Yes i can put version number in map name

Voltage: tnx for hosting my map, i now work on new version, i will add more balans and some new stuff...

 

[Marc Mamales]

im hosting this on garena many are joining

me either, and we always enjoy the game.

 

[Kunfury]

Cool please P.M. me when the new version is done, id like to try it out.

 

[Freeze87]

Cool please P.M. me when the new version is done, id like to try it out.

Ok, no problem

 

[Marc Mamales]

Wanna see a PWNED CAT? )

 

[Voltage_02]

well those mice dont know i got a frost breath ==> instant kill xD

 

[Marc Mamales]

well those mice dont know i got a frost breath ==> instant kill xD

we can evade it! mwahahaha!
EDIT: Btw we are not MICE! we are MIGHTY MOUSE! Reason:

Click Me

Click Again

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Cz we are BIG!

 

[Freeze87]

hehe Nice guys...Btw i work on balance now, i think cats team need more balans, they are little to strong And i will add some new stuff you will see when i finish

 

[YellowAfterlife]

Man i made whole map alone, i didnt edit map of some other guy. Yes idea is not mine, map is based on Cat catch the mouse,or Tom e Jerry BR. I only can give credits to guy who is owner of map idea, but map cat catch the mouse is done very noobish, with no description and no credits so i dont know who he is.And btw i made my version by request of some fans of that old map cat catch the mouse becouse they wonted better done map with more stuff and with full description on english so i made this map for them.

To say truth, original versions (at least 1.00 .. 1.3) did contain both map description and credits. Both were in chinese, but that did not cancel fact of their existance. If you will look into .j file, you can even find link to authors website.

But - seems like you are talking truth.

Since the units resemble original quite nicely, may I ask you, how long did it took you to remember (or write down) all of those and re-create them?

I have also taken a closer look at map contents with mpq editor, and shall say:

1 : No offense, but find a better protection and\or optimisation software. Resources are not renamed, and WE-only files (like triggers data file) are still there. Quite a chance that someone could take your map, replace .w3i file, and edit it freely.

2 : That cat model is from World of Warcraft, isn't it? If so, you should check out the additional skins it had. Black & white cat was far not the most epic one of these. (also I have a feeling that something wrong happened while reducing polycount on that model, since it's 400kb, and takes about 1/3 of your map size)

3 : Preferably change loadscreen image (you can find a lot of related images around the world) to a more high-quality one. Maybe map title and mention of you could be done better too.

4 : Apply optimisation to mappreview image. The easiest way to do this is use Paint.net, which is free. It will save you some kb's too, and will let you to easily write version numbers on it.

But, overall, you are doing nice improvements in recent updates - keep up the good work. And bear in mind, that balance in tag maps is a very slippery term - they very much rely on player skill. Test with differently skilled player groups.

 

[Master_Elite]

I like the terrain and the games fun!!

 

[Marc Mamales]

PWNED CAT AGAIN!! MWAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Freeze87]

To say truth, original versions (at least 1.00 .. 1.3) did contain both map description and credits. Both were in chinese, but that did not cancel fact of their existance. If you will look into .j file, you can even find link to authors website.

But - seems like you are talking truth.

Since the units resemble original quite nicely, may I ask you, how long did it took you to remember (or write down) all of those and re-create them?

I have also taken a closer look at map contents with mpq editor, and shall say:

1 : No offense, but find a better protection and\or optimisation software. Resources are not renamed, and WE-only files (like triggers data file) are still there. Quite a chance that someone could take your map, replace .w3i file, and edit it freely.

2 : That cat model is from World of Warcraft, isn't it? If so, you should check out the additional skins it had. Black & white cat was far not the most epic one of these. (also I have a feeling that something wrong happened while reducing polycount on that model, since it's 400kb, and takes about 1/3 of your map size)

3 : Preferably change loadscreen image (you can find a lot of related images around the world) to a more high-quality one. Maybe map title and mention of you could be done better too.

4 : Apply optimisation to mappreview image. The easiest way to do this is use Paint.net, which is free. It will save you some kb's too, and will let you to easily write version numbers on it.

But, overall, you are doing nice improvements in recent updates - keep up the good work. And bear in mind, that balance in tag maps is a very slippery term - they very much rely on player skill. Test with differently skilled player groups.

I needed lot of time to re-create these units...it is faster to make new xD
About protection i use standard wc3 optimizer like most of people here,becouse make map smaller.
You are right i can reduce size, i will try to do that.
About cat model, my friend send me that model becouse i didnt was able to find it on internet.He found it and send me....
And you are right when you say about balance, but some spells and units rly need little changes

Marc Marmales: It seams that you are very good in this game But whay you play old version, that screenshots shows old version?

 

[Kunfury]

hehe Nice guys...Btw i work on balance now, i think cats team need more balans, they are little to strong And i will add some new stuff you will see when i finish

You should make the mouses barricades weaker. Like 1k or 2500 hp and like 1/4 the armor

 

[Voltage_02]

freeze..check garena-> philippines->rooms underneath..tom and jerry 2011 is a big hit already

 

[Freeze87]

Voldtage 02: That is great man, i will check

Kungfury: Barricades need to be like that, they need to be invulerable from normal attack. But you can destroy them with Suicide Goblin, Catapult.Also you have flying units Dragons, Zeppelin. You also have some spells and items that can destroy barricades or avoid them. If i make that you can destroy them with normal army them mouse team will not have a chance

 

[Kunfury]

Voldtage 02: That is great man, i will check

Kungfury: Barricades need to be like that, they need to be invulerable from normal attack. But you can destroy them with Suicide Goblin, Catapult.Also you have flying units Dragons, Zeppelin. You also have some spells and items that can destroy barricades or avoid them. If i make that you can destroy them with normal army them mouse team will not have a chance

I know but like dont make it to where it takes like 5 secs to destroy but make it to where it can be killed with normal attacks but just over time. They can be built super fast can't they? If you make it to where cats can destroy them then the mice can rebuild the towers with a new row of them. Please consider this.

 

[Marc Mamales]

Marc Marmales: It seams that you are very good in this game But whay you play old version, that screenshots shows old version?

yea its old version because i always forgot to DL the new vers.

 

[zharosary]

I'm sorry for my poor English

Bug Report

-Blue Cat's Mouse Slayer can destroy mouse cage and mouse not revive

-If mouse has 1 layer wall and Blue Cat stand close the wall ,cat can summon mouse slayer in mouse base without destroy any wall. I'm not sure it's bug or your trick. if it's trick, I'm so sorry

My suggestion
-suicide goblin is very too cheap and and too powerful [high HP,high AoE]. I'm never use wagon because 1 wagon can build 5 goblin and 5 goblin can destroy 5 layer of wall and some mouse troop without die from tower cause of thier high HP
I think its should be cost 1000-1500 or decrease its power

However, Your map is very fun, thx for making

 

[Freeze87]

I'm sorry for my poor English

Bug Report

-Blue Cat's Mouse Slayer can destroy mouse cage and mouse not revive

-If mouse has 1 layer wall and Blue Cat stand close the wall ,cat can summon mouse slayer in mouse base without destroy any wall. I'm not sure it's bug or your trick. if it's trick, I'm so sorry

My suggestion
-suicide goblin is very too cheap and and too powerful [high HP,high AoE]. I'm never use wagon because 1 wagon can build 5 goblin and 5 goblin can destroy 5 layer of wall and some mouse troop without die from tower cause of thier high HP
I think its should be cost 1000-1500 or decrease its power

However, Your map is very fun, thx for making

Tnx man, and no problem my english is also not so good.

You are right, goblin is to cheep, i alredy changed his value, he will be more expensive in next version. I didnt now for cat's mouse slayer bug, i will fix that right away,tnx for telling me. +rep for bug report!

EDIT: New version is out!!! Bug fixed,balance,New upgrade, New Hero...etc!

 

[Marc Mamales]

Downloading ||||||||||| = 100% (Completed)

Testing the game in Garena.

[+]I like the new cheese gathering system because it wont take space now.
[+]Nice cheese mine model.
[+]Cool gameplay and Fun map.
[+]Balanced map. (for me its balanced. )

[-]Simple terrain. (Needs improvement)
[-]Cat Towers are so imba, please decrease their range by 200 and attack speed or just make it can attack ground.
[-]The items are simple. can you add a recipe shop?
[-]Overused icons (the cat's icon) maybe you can make different icons for them.

Terrain 6/10 = Simple. need more doodads and improvements.
Spells 5.5/10 = Simple, none is triggered.
Triggers 8.5/10 = ?
Units 8/10 = the Units are balanced. Very good

i'll Rate it 3/5 Acceptable

- Cat Fire Tower's tooltip "Advanced defensive structure with "Poison" attack". Lol "Fire" tower with a "Poison" attack? fix this.
- Cat Poison Tower (Same as Cat Fire Tower) Advanced Defensive Structure with "Fire" attack. "Poison" tower with a "Fire" attack? fix this.

- Can you please change the Mouse heroes armor to 1? because they are so weak =.=
- Change regeneration aura and brilliance aura to "Heal Aura and Mana Regen Aura (Note: Fountain Ability)"
- Add mouse trap. Effect: when a mouse steps at the mouse trap make them Stunned or captured by Net. (use this model Bear Trap)
- Reduce the tome's cooldown to 10s.

 

[zharosary]

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[-]Cat Towers are so imba, please decrease their range by 200 and attack speed.
its decrease in ver. 1.8


i have poblem to defense my wall from mass suicide goblin
who has some tip for me?

 

[Kunfury]

Testing now, Will tell you how it is

My bro's not here I'll test later

 

[Marc Mamales]

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[-]Cat Towers are so imba, please decrease their range by 200 and attack speed.
its decrease in ver. 1.8


i have poblem to defense my wall from mass suicide goblin
who has some tip for me?

or just make it can attack ground