The War

[trolman]

not really knights are pritty fast.....

 

[trolman]

Besides during the medival times the knights were the best military unit because when the horses gain enough speed and the rider puts the lance infront of the horse,the knights just slashed true the enemy lines afterthat they droped it,and pulled of swords,meanwhile the enemys that survived were like WTF and then the other footarmy came and killed them and the Knights saved the day,End of story.
BTW I will be going now.Might check the hive from my friend's PC.

 

[AIagremm]

Knights were the best warriors of Allaince during the First, Second and Thrid Wars.

And I have to disagree with both, nether dragons are the best. Also elekks.

 

[VeljkoM]

Tigers have way better agility then horses giving them great maneuvering abilities. Also Horses are scared in their presence. Elek is the meaning of slow and are god for only scaring because it isn't hard really to hit that kind of target.

And dragons are now insulted for being compared to a mount.

 

[AIagremm]

Hm, you are right. But it is part of the agreement - they live with us, as a race, but they can also if they want help others as mounts.

Elekks are actually quite fast. Plus they can carry big weights, they can scare anyone and if you see an elekk running at you, it will probably be the last thing you'll see.

 

[VeljkoM]

Actually war elephants which are similar to elek are overrated. First they don't make difference from people they stomp (which why raiders always have ready weapon to cut spine). Also if scared by fire or anything range they usually turn back and destroy their own formations (Used by Romans against Carthaginians). And they are hard to support because of amount food they require. Not to mention the cost of mount it self and armor for it.

 

[AIagremm]

True, true. However in this draenei have a big plus - elekks are more then two times smaller then an elephant.

 

[VeljkoM]

Still I prefer horses and wolves over eleks.

Oh and if dragons really accepted to be mounts then they are really retarded.

 

[AIagremm]

Elekks have a big plus - they can carry lamps on their horns and tusks.

Well I kinda didnt say it right. They actually are quite aggressive about that part of the pact. They even made me change the pact a bit to make it not mounting but "transportation of warriors and important civilians for the properity and safety of Triumvirtae and Sunrise Dragonflight". So you need to ask them very carefully and most likely they will not agree. However if you respect th dragon and have earned a place in their memory and archives in Sunrise Spire theyäll be glad to help you get somewhere.

But usually they just send dumb drakes to do it.

 

[VeljkoM]

The lamps in dark makes you actually to see worse if the enemy is far. Your eyes can't adjust to darkness that way.

Well dragons are so called "guardians" created by titans them selves. Their ego is bigger then elven and that is big.

 

[AIagremm]

Well those are nether dragons, they are less arrogant and more... how to say it... scrutiny. They are much more careful and cautious then other dragonflights.
Anyway, they are actually reversing to black dragon form in Draenosh, but can use their nether form at any time. Im trying to make them the guardian dragonflight of Draenosh.

 

[trolman]

Lets see,what did i miss.....
BTW i kinda fail on the courage part of beeing a knight

 

[Azsure]

I don't, I'm crazy and don't fear

 

[VeljkoM]

I have lots of fanatics that don't know what fear means. But that's not courage, that's just pure stupidity.

 

[Azsure]

The word crazy was a bit exaggerated. But still, that doesn't mean I don't make a strategy before attack.

I'm more defense than offense.

 

[trolman]

I wasnt talking about that....when it comes do the battlefield Im the bravest of all the knights,Im talking about random poping ghosts with hammers and knifes who scare the shit out of you....

 

[Silly Lil Ant]

Haha, you all have mounts! Nerubians maybe slower than these other creatures, but when it comes down to it I reacon I know who would win one on one!

Trolman, you said about your knights charging into the enemy. That plan won't work very well! Pikemen!

 

[trolman]

Becasuse nerubians are mounts >
Well there are no pikmen in warcraft,and back then they used swords,maces,bows and crosbows but later......

 

[AIagremm]

Actually pikeman are one of the main classes of pandaren, along with geomancers, shodo-pans and wardancers,.

 

[trolman]

Well there are no pandaren in this DP and I aint planing on fighting them.Plus we have all the armor...

 

[trolman]

Just a quick question for my upcoming pic:Is the name of the city of the amani trolls called Zul'Aman like the region or does it have another name?

 

[trolman]

No awnser?Ah screw it,Zul'jin renamed the city into Zul'aman.

 

[AIagremm]

Well it kinda is, but it is also a land and its capital is an ancient ziggurat called Shrine of Ula-Tek.

 

[trolman]

Uuuuu ziggaraty....how do they look from the inside?

 

[AIagremm]

Hm... like square tunnels.

But be warned! The ziggurat is very ancient! It may even be older then all the races in the world. And Ula-Tek is theorized to be an Old God.

 

[Silly Lil Ant]

=o that is very old! Watch yourself Trolman!

 

[AIagremm]

http://www.wowwiki.com/Shrine_of_Ula-Tek

 

[VeljkoM]

They say for every troll got that is old god. And usually just because they are literally old.

 

[AIagremm]

Well yes, they call everyone Old Gods and faceless ones.

Yet there is evidence that Ula-Tek really is an Old God. One of the most important things that proves it that trolls tried to summon her. Deity's and gods cant be summoned. Old Gods can. Especially with the sacrifces trolls prepared.

Anyway, I think that Hakkar is the son of an Old God who is imprisoned under Zul'Gurub. Hakkar will find followers and power to summon his father. Trolls in Sunken Temple couldnt summon Hakkar there because he could only be summoned next to his father or master. But it is possible that he is just his manifestation.

 

[trolman]

Wait so theres an old god in that ziggurat?

 

[AIagremm]

Um... possibly. But it is somewhere deep under it actually, so you first have to make great sacrifices and then summon it.

 

[VeljkoM]

Troll gods aren't old gods and just because they can be summoned means nothing cuz almost every evil can be (+ they have nothing in common). It is more likely they are some spirits or demons.

 

[AIagremm]

You mean loa? Actually all troll gods are actually loa or gods... except Hakkar and Ula-Tek, though she too may be a loa... loa under control of Old Gods!

 

[trolman]

Good so the building could still be used.
Does that mean i can summon Jesus on my side?

 

[AIagremm]

No, you cant! Deity's and gods cannot be summoned! Even the evil ones!
They are still creatures of faith and power, which can only grant power and stuff. The exceptions are Terokk and Anzu, however it seems that they are actually servants of Old Gods.

Old Gods are extremely powerful creatures that are imprisoned in this world, so they can be summoned or to be correct awakened.

Normal gods are not in this world, so they cannot be summoned.

 

[VeljkoM]

Al every god religion with many gods has good gods and evil gods. Old Gods are just stupid thing that needs to be forgot as their name states They had their chance they ruined it and now new and numerous evil have their turn.

It is annoying to blame Old Gods when someone else put lot of effort and doesn't get credit.

 

[trolman]

Then an Avatar of Jesus?The Trolls have their god avatars why cant we humans?

 

[VeljkoM]

Because Jesus is Earth god not Azeroth one.

 

[AIagremm]

Dude, there's no Jesus in Warcraft.
There is only Light. And manifestations of Light are the Naaru.
The Naaru are one of the races of Triumvirate who power cities, flying fortresses and much more weith their powers of Light and lead us further in the Light with their wiseness.

 

[VeljkoM]

Naaru are space alien engineers mistakenly confused with deities. Just kidding but Al you really use them as engines.

 

[AIagremm]

Well nobody says they are deitys. In fact everybody and they too know that they are just an extremely ancient and powerful race. Well actually they just sit there saying wise stuff and helping our scholars, but they also agreed to give us power. They think that thits better then just standing, plus they dont want us to find some way of powering connected to magic, wells or other stuff.

 

[trolman]

I know there isnt but why is there a cross as a grave stone?
Anyways the Trolman empire has their own god and thats Jesus he was just some peasant but then he was the son of the Naaru and saved us humans from the scourge and died for our sins.And thats what the trolhodox church is all about.

 

[AIagremm]

Nice! Well actually if you looks closely you will see that the church of Holy Light uses something that looks only a bit like cross.

 

[VeljkoM]

In warcraft Humans had Christianity but it was changed in Warcraft 2 for some reason.

 

[AIagremm]

Well I think they wanted to make it more unic.

 

[trolman]

Evil evil blizz......Anyways I'll make a few pics about the trolmanian relegion when I capture Zul'aman

 

[VeljkoM]

Holy Light religion pics...oh and what about the defiled branches of religion like Scarlet crusade, Argenta Dawn and Holy Shadow?

 

[AIagremm]

Actually Forgotten Shadow or something like that.

 

[Silly Lil Ant]

Well, I'm pretty sure your church portraied you as a God! But if you worship this peasent, it will put you lower than him! This will then help people have a different view to you, because they will interpret it in a different way to you! This will mean that their loyalty to you will reduce, and thus stopping them blindly following you!

 

[VeljkoM]

Well my religion goes around titan who is actually in contact with his followers.