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Superman vs Goku

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Philstinator, Aug 17, 2013.

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  1. Philstinator

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    Now I put to you a death battle between 2 of probably the most powerful fictional characters ever to enter the human mind.

    I've seen this video and I'm quite knowledgeable about both characters, their backgrounds, feats and history and all that they've done.

    Before you read past this and watch the video I would like to know who you think would win before seeing/knowing the outcome. Then edit with your comments after watching if you have any (you don't have to do this, but I'd just like to know how you feel before and after the video)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_76476&feature=iv&list=LLxd85xs2Ft6OhSiAuMRe5iQ&src_vid=uAKXKSFA1wk&v=oyl97TG8jbA

    If you want to skip to the actual fight just go to 17:00, otherwise if you don't know much about either character I would recommend listening in :p

    My opinion is
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    I completely and utterly agree with the outcome. Superman can absorb infinite power from the sun and if you've ever seen "supercharged superman" in the comics when he is knocked into the sun. He is basically a god. The biggest defining factor for me is the fact Goku has died and been beaten around a lot of times as he is not indestructible.

    VERDICT: Superman can generate the gravity of a blackhole around his fist, Goku cannot withstand that, nor could he ever hope to as planets exploding kill him.



    Now gogogogo

    PS. I also encourage suggestions of other fights and to discuss the outcome, but first superman vs goku!
     
  2. DivineLight

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    i watch it already.. you're slow
    it's not hot topic for me anymore
    the winner is superman btw
     
  3. Philstinator

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    Hey Divine,

    Sorry I am slow to find some topics haha, I know its not new I only discovered it recently, but I liked it none the less and was just curious on peoples opinions haha. Hopefully people who haven't seen it watch it before reading your comment lol

    Cheers though
     
  4. DivineLight

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    sure..
    nice share.. goku is moron
    that's why he lost to superman, he didn't defeat superman while he has a chance
     
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    One-Above-All(Marvel) > Everyone

    No need to discuss how he will beat the crap out of everyone, he is just Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient.
     
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    [​IMG]

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  7. Radicool

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    Sorry to enter a really nerdy conversation, but I recently watched DBZ and noticed something.

    To my knowledge, Superman doesn't grow stronger. Sure he can empower himself from the sun or some shit, but that must be limited.

    Goku seems to get stronger after each fight. Exponentially stronger. So potentially, Goku can surpass Superman while Superman remains static. Anyway, that's my two cents.
     
  8. Philstinator

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    hmm superman can get stronger, he can train as well as absorb radiation from a yellow sun. Goku can get stronger but he can't be knocked into the sun and survive, let alone knocked into the sun and become a god basically.

    Supercharged Superman (knocked into the sun) can generate the gravity of a blackhole around his fist when he punches. I'm pretty dam sure Goku can't withstand that
     
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  9. DivineLight

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    uperman has unlimited power at the first place
    goku always surpassed his limits and goes beyond his current power by training and such
    this two reason is why goku has lost to superman

    what about another reason
    Goku
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    Stupid
    Love Fighting
    kind-hearted
    always fight fair and square against worthy opponent

    because he is stupid he don't care about his enemy's weaknesses
    because he is always fight fair he gives superman a chance
    because he is love fighting, he used a little of his power so his opponent can keep up with him
    because he is kind hearted; didn't kill superman when he has a chance
     
  10. Orcnet

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    Meh I don't like this kinds of crossovers mainly the two guys are already overpowered by there own worlds so mixing them under one roof just makes it worse.

    I would be great though if Goku can merge with Superman in some way.
     
  11. Philstinator

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    Well more interestingly, what about ss4 gogeta? I mean we had no clear measure of his power except that he was so infinitely strong that it was literally immeasurable.

    I think gogeta would have a better shot at superman
     
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    Either an endless battle or a draw. Or forget it, maybe Goku wins, because Superman is just silly, he's like my least favorite DC character, his colors, and his lazer that go off from his eyes just sickens me. And because he cannot shoot energy waves with his hands and he has no better alternate forms (or I don't know of one). Lets see the video then...

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    Edit: Yeah, I watched the full thing. Duh, the conclusion was bullplob. Hell, Goku can come back from death, they didn't even list that there! No matter what, Goku has more advantage. They have interpretted the fight as they pleased. They just wanted super yank to be victorious, they measured everything about Goku's power in the end, but they didn't do the same for Super Yank. Hell, Goku conquered the death, even if he loses to Superman somehow, he comes back 10 times stronger than him that's his style, lol. I thereby do not acknowledge this result. Those yanks...
     
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    kryptonite maybe???
     
  14. Radicool

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    Your completely missing my point. Superman can draw power from the sun, however the sun's power is also limited is it not? Therefore there is a cap of how strong Superman can get.

    Goku however, seems to exponentially increase his power after each fight. His increase is not bound by limits of suns or other external things. Therefore he is potentially stronger given he has time to train. You say Goku cannot survive entering a sun. Well, if you think about what I said, he can. He simply has to train and become stronger. His potential is limitless, so in theory he can do anything.

    Lol good point. Goku doesn't have a physical weakness of such a magnitude than Superman's. Goku's compassion for friends may intervene (If Superman were to take someone hostage), however there is no physical weakness so great as to completely immobilise his powers.
     
  15. Philstinator

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    It is true, but as seen in the video we can expect goku to never beat down on someone who is weakened like that, if we take the cell fight for example where he gives him a senzu bean, like WUT
    Hence with kryptonite present, goku would just blow it up for him as he does in the video

    EDIT: The sun's power is limited, however it goes exponentially beyond what goku peak maximum power was as ss4, and the point I tried to make there is that both of them can get stronger, superman has no limit the same way goku doesn't, they can both train infinitely so to say.

    I'm saying that supercharged superman has his ultimate ability, the blackhole punch. Also he can survive in outer space haha.

    And yes Goku can come back from the dead, but I don't think he instantly becomes stronger when he dies, its normally that he trains before coming back. So by that measure superman would also be training in this time.
    Don't forget superman has survived events that I don't think goku could.

    EDIT2: ah shet thought I was editing not typing in the box below -.- excuse the double post
     
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  16. GreeN!X

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    Bahh.. no need to argue, BATMAN WINS!
     
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  17. Dr Super Good

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    Darksid and Thanos say otherwise. Both are virtually invulnerable, have had a rare cross-publisher fight with each other and are known to flatten entire leagues of super heroes effortlessly.

    Thanos could wipe both of your characters from existence with out them realizing. He is one of the few beings known for having defeated Galactus in a fight and also for becoming so powerful that the only person who could stop him was himself. Darksid would attack them when they are weakest, and enslave their friends (or kill them if they refuse). If Darksid ever got the Anti-Life equation he could also take full control over both of your characters as no living being is able to resist the power of the anti-life equation.

    Welcome to sci-fi nonsense.

    Of course even lesser people could take down both of them. Apocalypse would transform his body into some kind of Kryptonite shooting thing to kill Superman and use a virus to kill Goku. Onslaught would just imagine both of them out of existence and they would be gone, thanks to the power of Mr. Fantastics son that he absorbed. Mr. Fantastics Son could also imagine both of them out of the universe and they would be gone. The Silver Surfer could blast Superman with a beam of Kryptonite energy and absorb Gokus power for use against him. Iron Man would create all manner of Kryptonite and Red Sun weaponry which Superman could not stop and would be powerless against while on Goku he would probably discover some weakness and stop him easily as well. Martian Manhunter could mind manipulate both of them. Professor Exaviour from the X Men could nuke both of their minds effortlessly (yes he can kill though psychic feedback).

    And there is more... Rogue could absorb both of their powers to use against them. Galactus could vaporize both of them by lifting his finger. The Anti-Monitor could convert both of them into Anti-Matter which then is absorbed. Hulk, being stronger than both of them, would smash them. Magneto with some Kryptonite could easily finish Superman as Superman could not stop his attacks and probably would also finish Goku by a surprise attack. Lex Luther fused with Braniac would easily stop both of them. The Fantastic 4 would defeat both of them because they are Fantastic.

    Let us not forget non-comic fictional characters such as those from video games. Sonic the Hedgehog would go Super Sonic and finish both of them off with ease. The team from Final Fantasy 13 became so tough I doubt both of them would be an issue for them. Mario just needs a few super stars and they are done. Amon from StarCraft II would fry their brains using his Hybrid. The original Archimonde from WC3 who represented the ultimate Arch-Demon of pure chaos was virtually invulnerable thanks to divine armor so nothing either could throw at him would damage him much and his weapon of mass destruction capabilities meant he would not have a problem turning them inside out. Uber Mephisto would lower their damage resistances so low that even a kid could inflict massive damage to them while his skull missile would certainly one shot them thanks to its insane resistances. The Diablo III Monk wearing top end items would kill both of them in less than 1 second.

    Let this thread end now!
     
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  18. GhostThruster

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    nobody respond to dsg please. plus 'darkseid' is spelt wrong and no mention of dr. manhattan was made.

    anyways, the video is bs. so apparently goku spares superman from kryptonite coz they have to 'stick to the character', yet 10 minutes later superman ends up blowing up the planet on which he has spent his entire liftetime protecting. i think goku is meant to symbolise potentiality, whilst superman symbolises masculine and moral idealism. goku is driven by perpetual improvement, the individual striving for the impossible and obtaining the unobtainable. superman on the otherhand is the pinnacle of physical and moral strength. basically the fight's between a force with immense potential and extraordinary will against a force that has already reached its potential and merely seeks to set a standard for others. based on that, i think conceptually at least goku wins. in practicality, the two would be a tie. there is potential for either to beat each other. throw in a strong sun, and superman wins. throw in a little bit of kryptonite, and/or give goku enough time to train himself and he'll surpass superman.
     
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    Ummm.. What?? That's like, hardly objective point of view.

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    Anywaaayyysssss, the reason why I ultimately prefer eastern comic over western comic is, western stuff always make several non-questionable GOD MODE characters, and no matter what situation they could be in, they always win. And that's ridiculous, and way more immature than eastern stuff..
     
  20. Philstinator

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    Lol whats with all the people wanting to end the thread, just asking for opinion. If you've given your opinion doesn't mean you can end the thread.

    And I wrote that as in a lot of ways they are the most powerful as they have both become something to overcome all their difficulties.

    I lol'd at sonic comment :p

    Yeah it's true that superman should not have destroyed the Earth to finish off Goku, I feel like they did that just as their way of ending the fight, which superman would not do I entirely agree.

    I believe removing kryptonite from the equation I don't think Goku could win in any way. Just too big of a gap.
     
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