[Suggestions] For 1.2B: more talents, books for crusaders

[ALEXz407]

Everyone is talking about 1.2A(10) now, but I want to suggest some ideas for next major update.

Talents every 4 levels

Current talent system is awesome! But:
- Most of the talents relies on base class abilities.
- Long leveling for new talents is a bit boring at higher levels.
- No room for new abilities.

Talents every 4 levels will change talents grid in this way:
Base class: 10, 14, 18, 22
Advanced class: 26, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46, 50

And it will bring such advantages:
- Additional 2x3 talents for each advanced class (60 in total)!
- More frequent talent upgrades -> more fun from leveling.
- Space for new abilities modificators.
- All 11 available slots of learned talents spellbook will be used.

Book as offhand for Crusaders

I suspect that it could be suggested before...

Look at this generic pally guy from Warcraft III. He holds a Two-Handed hammer in right hand and a spellbook in left hand. And in general, book is a standart for all holy classes. Currently, Crusader with a Two-Handed weapon is not acceptable, because you just waste one item slot (crusaders can only wield a shield in offhand). Berserkers, for compare, can use trophy in offhand. I suggest to add Books as offhand item for Crusaders. What are the advantages it will bring: - Viable two-handed DPS builds for Crusaders. - Books have INT/AGI/SP/Crit/Haste bonuses, so they will not be too OP for STR two-handed DPS Crusader and bring more versatility function (i.e. Emergency healing power, or Crucify damage for AoE) - Two-handed weapons doesn't have INT/SP bonuses, so books will add lacking stats for INT two-handed DPS Crusaders. - Books already in the game. - Books doesn't have attachment models, so they will not break hero animations and appearance.

What do you think?

 

[Devlain]

I like to have talents more frecuently, but the issue with that suggestion is that there will be so many talents in later updates (more than 11). I dunno how this can be solved.

I aggre on tomes for the crusader, it's a pretty interesting concept.

 

[Jumbo]

I agree with both suggestions, especially the book one.

However, I feel like Zwieb should really focus on getting D4 ready as we are all weary of the old content.

 

[BoxOfFaith]

We've already had suggestions for new offhands for 2h crusaders . I believe Zwieb ended up rejecting them. Ihaz suggested Warbanners or Warflags that a crusader could wear while using a 2h, they were mainly going to be based on affecting team morale, similar to how bard instruments work.

as for the talents thing, I don't really care it doesn't bug me much. Its largely just a balancing issue. I honestly feel like its fine how it is but if Zwieb is bored enough and wants to come up with things I have no issue with it.

 

[ALEXz407]

Here is the table with current game itemization, just to look how books suggestion fits it:

Squire

Berserker

Crusader

Thief

Assassin

Bard

Ranger

Hunter

Druid

Cleric

Bishop

Monk

Magician

Necromancer

Sorcerer

Mail

X

X

X

3

Leather

X

X

X

X

X

X

6

Cloth

X

X

X

X

X

X

6

Weapons

Axes

X

X

X

3

Swords

X

X

X

X

X

X

6

Hammers

X

X

X

3

Two-Handed

X

X

X

3

Daggers

X

X

X

X

X

X

6

Bows

X

X

X

3

Crossbows?

X

X

X

3

Staves

X

X

X

X

X

5

Runes

X

1

Misc Item

Shield

X

X

X

3

Trophy

X

1

Offhand

X

X

X

3

Instrument

X

1

Quiver

X

X

2

Totem

X

1

Book

X

X

X

2 >> 3

Relic

X

1

Gem

X

X

2

Skull

X

1

6

7

6 >> 7

4

4

5

4

4

4

3

3

3

4

4

4

We've already had suggestions for new offhands for 2h crusaders . I believe Zwieb ended up rejecting them. Ihaz suggested Warbanners or Warflags that a crusader could wear while using a 2h, they were mainly going to be based on affecting team morale, similar to how bard instruments work.

Maybe it was rejected due to the additional time to develop and duplication of bard's functions? (btw warbanners sounds good, but I think it can fit better for new mail class, something as a commander, so low levels will have auras too)

However, I feel like Zwieb should really focus on getting D4 ready as we are all weary of the old content.

That's why I suggest it as additional changes for 1.2B.

Talents can be added with several iterations of 1.2B releasing (i.e. first release - no new talents, only rescale current talents to 4 lvl system; second release - 1 new talent line; third release - last talent line).

Crusader's books reuses current items, so nothing new to implement. Only changes in item distribution for classes. So I hope that it will not take a long time to develop.

 

[Ihazdialup]

box and I are in charge of items, so ti wouldnt be a problem to create a whole new item

 

[kevs926]

cosmetically, no to this

technically, still no to this

 

[Zwiebelchen]

Another items with aura/special effects? Definitely no; the skulls and instruments are already a pain in the ass.

Allowing Crusaders access to books/trophies would require a code wipe as it changes the internal item registry.

 

[galactcus]

i think for the new version 1.2b there is no problem with a code wipe... many changes coming so people will need to relearn a lot of things...