Spider GREEN TD 1.7c

[Moderator]

11:50, 6th May 2015
Orcnet:

I like the idea of giving a period of the wave that won't let you get defeated on the game for a certain level, however that gives a lot of free fall after the end of the said wave, its like stacking lego blocks until gravity takes place and it tumbles down. It would be great if you could reduce it from 10 to just 2, so that players will have a challenge and a certain point of keeping up a competitive game play from winning instead of just stacking.

The towers are good and much of some of the status of the towers are quite common on around the TD genre, so I had no much problem dealing all of them.

Overall, the map can be of acceptable, I had no much problem with the terrain, but the level difficulty should be kept on minimum.

 

[Sclammerz]

The description is lacking but it's kinda acceptable in a way. Still, please improve it.

 

[RobertMKD]

Hmm, I wanted to make it short, but I'll make it bigger and more clear now.. and for the improvement, yes I am planning lots of things for this map, hope it gets popular

 

[Daffa]

Daffa the mage review

Daffa the Mage Review on Spider Green TD by RobertMDK

Presentation
The presentation at Hive Workshop lacks proper formatting, and it has no screenshot.
Screenshots grants value for the map and it encourages users to play it.
The current one can drive user away since it looks like a wall of text of some sort. I really recommend you to http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/miscellaneous-tutorials-456/map-description-templates-171659/
3/5

Design
Kinda similar to Green TD (AFAIR) in term of playing, which is kinda boring after awhile. Lumber can be replaced/remain as is and be used for Special Towers and can be acquired through special means. Towers can be expanded in terms of type, perhaps some Towers that fires in a line, or even global effect towers, just scale them properly. The current tower doesn't seems to bug up and do well.
Optional : Random variation of creeps in each wave (ex ; Wave 1 can be Peon or Wisp) can be great
Optional : Use Upkeep as promotion of the map and show current version
Optional : Terrain can use some improvements
5/10

Gameplay
Design... Well, for a TD, it does meets what we used to see in TDs, EXCEPT the amount of available towers. It's very classic and doesn't variate much, making it dull.
The Math Challenge was quite quick, but it's fine.
Also, the spawn amount is kinda overkill, they can really wreak through defenses and as far as I have seen, active player amount doesn't seems to affect the spawning amount.
for some reason, Player 2 (was playing with my brother) doesn't get any gold while I only get 1050 golds, so we have to split it (I give him 500, leaving me 550) at the beginning, this is a dangerous bug.
6/15

FINAL SCORE : 14/30
RATING : 2.33/5
VOTING FOR : AWAITING UPDATE

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[RobertMKD]

I'm gonna start with the last thing you said, at the beginning of the game you should get 2100 gold if you play alone, if you are playing with another player or more players, the gold splits to all players.. so you get 1050 gold and your brother gets 1050.. (he didnt get the gold?
While for the design, and gameplay, i am having big plans for this map, you won't say the same after few improvements/updates..

p.s. i've never played that GREEN TD (AFAIR) map, i've only played green circle..

edit: as for the screenshots, i couldn't shot the screen while in-game :/

 

[Daffa]

Yes, he doesn't get the gold. Tried change slot between us, same happens. He uses slot 2 and I use slot 1 on the first run.

I would recommend using Fraps, or the SysPrt (can't remember, it's third from right top of the keyboard) and convert tga with some image converters.

Also, as stated before, the creep kinda overkill with less players, which is kinda difficult.

 

[RobertMKD]

Okay, I've fixed the gold split bug, just like other bugs.. the new update will be released in a few days

do you reccomend i decrease the number of creeps spawned according to how many players are playing?

 

[Daffa]

Either what I said before OR reduce their health and movement speed based on the present players, which is kinda better as it still yields lots of money to handle the spawns, but more complex than just reducing them based on player amount.

Also, I just remember that a Satyr stuck on the upper right spawn during my first test, don't know why.

 

[RobertMKD]

i'll reduce their number, cause, when they all gather at the middle path, they are too close one to another, so if a player has a higher level of fire tower there, that would be a killing machine.. it would kill even 10-15 units at once..

as for the stucking creeps, or creeps that spawn and dont move, i've already fixed that bug for the next update

 

[Shadow Fury]

TERRAIN The terrain was just a big flat piece of symmetrical tiles. Although the tiles were used wisely and fulfilled the task of making a TD-ish terrain, I found the terrain not decent. I know this is a TD but why didn't you put some decorative doodads? Not all the terrain will be used for towers clearly so some of those grassy areas could get some vegetation, some buildings to give the feeling of a city I should defend, some archways or walls as good ornaments or something similar to all of these. The main point is: Do never leave your terrain totally empty, no matter how the terrain should be, some attractive doodads will always be a pleasure to the eye. GAMEPLAY The gameplay was tedious and insane. I tested the map several times by using the few towers I had in all possible ways and still in the first wave a massive number of creeps leak. The game is just impossible to win. The creeps just keep accumulating in the center and I just cannot do anything about it. Even mighty Fire Towers do not withstand the horde of creeps (they are not killing machines after all). Then, it was a terrible feature to find out that only 4 towers are available for the whole game. You lack variation which is extremely essential for the development of gameplay. You had to create different towers with more purposes. Some other towers which, for instance, poison, stun, hit multiple targets at level 1 etc... should've been added. Overall the gameplay did not evolve and it needs serious improvements right away. OTHER ISSUES Well, in the very beginning I thought it was a bug that the lives were not deducted when creeps reached the circle of victory. I eventually found out I was under a kind of protection until a certain wave. The problem is that after this protection finished, my 60 lives terminated almost immediately (yes, 60 creeps leaked really quickly) and the lives counter started to go under 0!! For example, in a moment, I had -20 lives! Shouldn't the game end with "Defeat!" if the lives expire? Look into this crucial issue please. OVERALL RESULT To sum up, the map is in dire need of polishing. I'll give it 1/5 and vote for rejection.

 

[RobertMKD]

You lose the game when you reach 0 lives.. you get a message that tells you that you've lost and all your buildings and units are removed from game... if you dont leave the game in 1 minute you get a defeat message....
As for the gameplay, ill fix it for version 1.1

 

[Shadow Fury]

You lose the game when you reach 0 lives.. you get a message that tells you that you've lost and all your buildings and units are removed from game... if you dont leave the game in 1 minute you get a defeat message....
As for the gameplay, ill fix it for version 1.1

I didn't get any defeat message believe me. My lives went negative!

 

[katho]

Am I the only one who thinks that a good TD needs a solo line for single player? Most of all TD´s are not have that, dk why, its very easy to do it

to the Math challange:
nice idea but why is 39/19=2?

 

[Shadow Fury]

Am I the only one who thinks that a good TD needs a solo line for single player? Most of all TD´s are not have that, dk why, its very easy to do it

to the Math challange:
nice idea but why is 39/19=2?

Well, this can be played multiplayer. A solo TD may not have one line only. If someone wants to make the game harder, additional lines can be added to force the player to build in both regions or focus on the point where creeps accumulate.

 

[Daffa]

The math challenge uses Warcraft 3 calculation, 39/19 is 38/19 in Warcraft eyes, the additional 1 is lost. This is related to programming math where the values are always ROUNDED down.

 

[RobertMKD]

Yea, the math challenge gives you 2 random numbers and random arithmetical sign.., so you may also get 2+2 -_-
It's all up to your luck

Shadow Fury, why don't you wait for the next update just like Daffa? I'm sure you won't say the same you said for my map before..

 

[Daffa]

@RobertMKD, don't double post, use EDIT button instead.
Delete the second post and put the content to the first one.

Also, for the math challenge, perhaps you might warn player about rounding down answers for the division, because people might get confused.

 

[eubz]

• WavesMessages
  • Events
    • Time - Elapsed game time is 15.00 seconds
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units in Spawn01 <gen> owned by Player 12 (Brown)) and do (Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game)
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units in Spawn02 <gen> owned by Player 12 (Brown)) and do (Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game)
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units in Spawn03 <gen> owned by Player 12 (Brown)) and do (Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game)
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units in Spawn04 <gen> owned by Player 12 (Brown)) and do (Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game)
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units in Spawn05 <gen> owned by Player 12 (Brown)) and do (Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game)
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units in Spawn06 <gen> owned by Player 12 (Brown)) and do (Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game)
    • Quest - Display to (All players) the Warning message: (Wave + ((String(LevelStringIndex)) + ( of 30 + WaveType[LevelStringIndex])))
    • Wait 15.00 game-time seconds
    • Trigger - Run WavesSpawner <gen> (ignoring conditions)
    • Wait 55.00 game-time seconds
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • Level Less than 30
      • Then - Actions
        • Trigger - Run (This trigger) (ignoring conditions)
      • Else - Actions

This trigger has unit group leaks. It would be nice to remove them.

• Turn00A
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit enters Spawn01 <gen>
  • Conditions
    • (Owner of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Player 12 (Brown)
  • Actions
    • Unit - Order (Entering unit) to Move To (Center of Turn01A <gen>)

The trigger above has location leaks. There are many of these in your map. Fix them also.
It would also be nice to name those folders because I see just _____________ this.
Also, when we talk about your terrain, it conforms with a TD Map but you can improve it. How about raising some parts of the map a bit. That would be nice I guess.

 

[RobertMKD]

I've fixed those triggers, btw, the folder names were in cyrillic thats why you couldnt read them...

as for the terrain, i get ideas like that too, but i'll see, there's bigger things to do now than decorating
ty for your idea

 

[Orcnet]

Map approved.

 

[Ardenian]

Well, I played it a few times solo ( didn't play wc3 for some time so had to get into it again hu..) and I have to say, I don't really know about this map.
It is really simple and does not have many features. Nonetheless, I am sure you are proud of it, as every map creator probably is.
I recommend you to add A LOT more features and towers. In its current state, it is rather boring and too steady.
5 towers are not enough to catch my attention for long, after having played YouTD and GreenTDMega.
I think this map has potential ( although it seems to be similar to GreenTDMega), but it needs more work on it.
Terrain is fine for me, but gameplay needs a lot more work.
I hope you will work on it so it becomes a great map

other things, bugs, glitches, ...

• Fire Tower Lvl 1 has +8 bonus dmg ( dunno why)
• Most models do not fit tower category ( like a Necromancer as Watch Tower ?)
• I downgraded a Firetower Lv 4, but it was removed, showed '+0' and no money was refunded
• It says ice tower has multi attack, but the lvl with sorceress model has only single target
• About Aura Tower, maybe add damage aura tower ? Seems essential to me, in my opinion

 

[RobertMKD]

Well, I played it a few times solo ( didn't play wc3 for some time so had to get into it again hu..) and I have to say, I don't really know about this map.
It is really simple and does not have many features. Nonetheless, I am sure you are proud of it, as every map creator probably is.
I recommend you to add A LOT more features and towers. In its current state, it is rather boring and too steady.
5 towers are not enough to catch my attention for long, after having played YouTD and GreenTDMega.
I think this map has potential ( although it seems to be similar to GreenTDMega), but it needs more work on it.
Terrain is fine for me, but gameplay needs a lot more work.
I hope you will work on it so it becomes a great map

other things, bugs, glitches, ...

• Fire Tower Lvl 1 has +8 bonus dmg ( dunno why)
• Most models do not fit tower category ( like a Necromancer as Watch Tower ?)
• I downgraded a Firetower Lv 4, but it was removed, showed '+0' and no money was refunded
• It says ice tower has multi attack, but the lvl with sorceress model has only single target
• About Aura Tower, maybe add damage aura tower ? Seems essential to me, in my opinion

There's more towers coming soon, I've already created a new one which is coming in the next update..

as for the bugs/gltiches:

1. That's the dmg splashed.. the ability that gives splashed damage for fire towers also adds bonus dmg to the tower, but dont worry that damage is counted in the price
2. I think it does not really matter what the model of the tower is, I used models from different races for 5-6 levels...
3. consider it fixed in the next update
4. Ice Tower has multi attack on weapon upgrade (this ability will be removed in the next update due to other bug)
5. thanks for the recommendation, i will really consider it

thank you

Map approved.

Thanks!!

 

[Ardenian]

Well, I saw you updated it and I played it again, and I have to say, I am disappointed. Most points I mentioned last time aren't considered, like the frost multi attack tooltip.

Nonetheless, I am going to write you some lines, although I am not sure whether you even consider it in any way...

I really like the remake option, that greatly increases it replay ability after defeating as one does not have to open a new lobby in multi player

Suggestions and such:

• The 400 range for all towers is disappointing and also a bit short ranged. I mean, okay, the watch tower can use like 450 range or 500, but I don't like that all towers got the same range
• add a blink ability for builder, it fools odd to have to run to build a tower somewhere far far away
• the new sniper tower isn't worth the money. Dealing hardly more damage at nearly the same attack speed at a high wood cost makes it uncomfortable
• Oh yeah, wood. I like the idea that you added something like a second resource to build towers, but it currently does not work out. Both shredder and builder harvest so weak that I rather buy it instead of waiting dozen of waves until I got the required amount for sniper tower
• I would like to have creeps having frost buff being coloured blue, it is just a neat detail
• Frost tower multi tooltip is still not removed, tho you announced it will be in the next update
• Trueshot Aura, nice, you added a damage aura, but 5% isn't really high or worth the money, is it ?
• Please add changelog to the Hive's map thread here, not only at your own website, it is just a fast CnP
• Maybe think about adding a quest log to make things like lotto and mathematical task readable for players, not only via little messages that are fast not noticed
• Sentry Ward time tooltip is wrong, isn't it ?
• I think you could add information to aura towers about its range, maybe even consider adding a 'Show Range' ability for all towers
• Math challenge is still odd: 48/64 = 0 ??? It is not fair, come on, if one does not know about it

I like your TD as it features new ideas that make it more unique than the original Green TD.
But, there are so many issues and unbalances that, for me personally, the game isn't really enjoyable.
Nonetheless, I look forward to see next updates with more features and content

 

[Daffa]

Math challenge is still odd: 48/64 = 0 ??? It is not fair, come on, if one does not know about it

Blame that to math of computers. That's an algorithm calculation, sadly.

 

[Ardenian]

Blame that to math of computers. That's an algorithm calculation, sadly.

I am aware of this fact, but nonetheless it is kind of mean

 

[Daffa]

I am aware of this fact, but nonetheless it is kind of mean

It's difficult to make accurate calculations of division without combining reals, modulus and divisor functions to give an accurate result.
Yeah, they're quite mean.

 

[RobertMKD]

Well, I saw you updated it and I played it again, and I have to say, I am disappointed. Most points I mentioned last time aren't considered, like the frost multi attack tooltip.

Nonetheless, I am going to write you some lines, although I am not sure whether you even consider it in any way...

I really like the remake option, that greatly increases it replay ability after defeating as one does not have to open a new lobby in multi player

Suggestions and such:

• The 400 range for all towers is disappointing and also a bit short ranged. I mean, okay, the watch tower can use like 450 range or 500, but I don't like that all towers got the same range
• add a blink ability for builder, it fools odd to have to run to build a tower somewhere far far away
• the new sniper tower isn't worth the money. Dealing hardly more damage at nearly the same attack speed at a high wood cost makes it uncomfortable
• Oh yeah, wood. I like the idea that you added something like a second resource to build towers, but it currently does not work out. Both shredder and builder harvest so weak that I rather buy it instead of waiting dozen of waves until I got the required amount for sniper tower
• I would like to have creeps having frost buff being coloured blue, it is just a neat detail
• Frost tower multi tooltip is still not removed, tho you announced it will be in the next update
• Trueshot Aura, nice, you added a damage aura, but 5% isn't really high or worth the money, is it ?
• Please add changelog to the Hive's map thread here, not only at your own website, it is just a fast CnP
• Maybe think about adding a quest log to make things like lotto and mathematical task readable for players, not only via little messages that are fast not noticed
• Sentry Ward time tooltip is wrong, isn't it ?
• I think you could add information to aura towers about its range, maybe even consider adding a 'Show Range' ability for all towers
• Math challenge is still odd: 48/64 = 0 ??? It is not fair, come on, if one does not know about it

I like your TD as it features new ideas that make it more unique than the original Green TD.
But, there are so many issues and unbalances that, for me personally, the game isn't really enjoyable.
Nonetheless, I look forward to see next updates with more features and content

I've fixed all of the bugs you mentioned, in the newest 1.7c, I really find it difficult to detect bugs since I've played my map 10000 times and when I update it, I just test the new things and search for bugs, but there's always some left, that's why I added a "Report Bugs" option on my website.
I'll add a changelog here too, that's what I planned to do, but when I find time for that, sorry.

I really appreciate when someone reports a bug or gives an advice, thank you.

 

[Ardenian]

Well, it is simply adding a hidden tag called change log and the CnP one from your website it is a question of minutes.

Of course, a creator cannot find all bugs and mistakes and such, players will mostly notice things you did not see

 

[RobertMKD]

I've added the changelog, how do you like it?

 

[Ardenian]

I've added the changelog, how do you like it?

Yeah, it looks fine, than you

 

[RobertMKD]

Have you ever played my map multiplayer?
And yeah, forgot about the lumber, you can change 1 gold for 10 lumber and 10 lumber for 1 gold at the House, it's better than buying it, but it takes more time.

 

[Ardenian]

No, up to now I am figuring out what tower build is the best. It seems massing watch tower is fine, adding some ice towers, one or another aura and that's it.

To be honest, I don't build sniper towers for wood as wood is too expensive concerning that sniper tower isn't really stronger than watch tower.

 

[RobertMKD]

Nope, wood isn't expensive, you can chop wood all the time for free, basically you convert free time to wood, you can also convert your gold to wood, which means it's the same.. speedy tower level 1 is 2500 wood, or 250 gold .. The speed difference isn't big at level 1, but it is at level 6, give it a trueshot aura next to it, or a slow aura, and it'll rock

I'll work on ice towers for the next update, cause they seem to be unused... maybe letting them attack ice immune creeps but not slowing them.. dunno, will see...

 

[Ardenian]

I don't consider +1 wood chop a good base for a tower 2500 wood tower
By the way, Goblin does not really help either, as 20+ takes an eternity, too. Why bothering buying a Goblin for 300 whereas the sniper costs only 250 ? It is just not valuable, as it chops very slow, doesn't it ?

I personally don't think you should change something about ice tower, well, I could imagine a higher upgrade attacks air, too, but that's all, in my opinion.

The mage tower is an interesting idea, however, one can hardly make use of it as each wave there are only around two or three opportunities for him to strike with his ability due to the four units condition.

 

[RobertMKD]

Yes, It's hard to collect lumber for speedy tower only with chopping.. but I don't want players to get extra resources very fast, you get free lumber by gathering wood, that's just A BONUS for your gold, since you can convert it to gold. To build a speedy tower, you can simply convert 250 gold to 2500 lumber the harder, but worthy way (convert 1 gold for 10 lumber through the house) or the easier but more expensive way (buy it from shop).

The Mage tower is mainly for places where creeps accumulate, so you can kill more creeps with a single blow (level 5, 1 cooldown, but expensive), but I'll improve it so It'll be more efficient.