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Helms Deep Total War 1.7c

Submitted by MustyToaster
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The veiling shadow that glows in the East takes shape. Sauron will suffer no rival. The Dark lords puppet, Saruman, has raised an army of ten thousand Uruk-Hai to crush the remnants of Rohan. In the kingdom's darkest of hours; The Fellowship Of The Ring along with the Elves of Lórien have come to the aid of men of the west. King Theoden and the remnants of Rohan have now gathered in one desperate bastion of hope: Helms Deep.

Helms Deep Total War is a standalone version of Helms Deep maps. It has many features details many others do not have.

Key Features:
- "QWER" physical based hot-key system for competitive micromanaging battles.
- Dynamic lighting and weather effects that change over time.
- Tons of events from both the movie, and the book.
- Extremely strategical and in depth on both Rohan and Uruk-Hai sides of game play.
- A majority of in game units are modeled/skinned blending seamlessly with the rest of the game.
- Well balanced on both sides, outcomes are heavily affected by capturing/defending control points.


Update: Version 1.7c is now Released!

Changelog


--Version 1.7c-- Released: 10/22/2011

-Improved intro movie camera to pan more smoothly
-Ajusted unit icons in Uruk-Hai siege works
-Fixed "Lighter Exploit"
-Rebalanced elite unit "Raider" reducing base speed by 10% and reducing armor to 3 down from 5
-Rebalanced auto-attack cooldown of Hama down by 5%
-Rebalanced auto-attack cooldown of Gamling down by 10%
-Rebalanced mana cost for "Valorous Brand" it is now 55 up from 45
-Rebalanced mana drain of "Heroic Soul" to 4/8/10 down from 8/10/12 (Lvl 1/2/3) mana drain is also now displayed in tooltips
-Rebalanced "Lórien Volley" direct max damage is now less: 2200 down from 3000
-Rebalanced "Silverthorn Volly" damage per hit is now 75 up from 60, also mana cost is now 125 down from 210, additionally cast duration is now 28 down from 35


Version 2.0 update/1.7c Disclaimer

Version 2.0 is well into a private beta, we are currently in the debugging stage although some final decisions still need to be made the map is mostly playable. We do want to give the hive community and other Wc3 players the wrong idea of the direction of the maps development so for now beta builds will stay in small private/random groups.

Thread for the development of 2.0 including new screens can be found [post=1974477]Here[/post].

As for the reasoning behind the 1.7c, issues found after 1.7b have started to pile up (mostly balance) a vast majority of these issues were quick fixes that did not require much time or effort. Counter productivity for 2.0 was not caused by this update. That said this version in its current state (1.7c) is not perfect issues still may happen and balance may not be precise, however it is an overall improvement from 1.7b.


Map made by MustyToaster & Banefull @USeast.

Credits to models/icons/spells.ect can be found in quests.

Note to Hive Workshop: I am in no way out to steal your hard worked on resources (skins/models). I attempt to keep credits as up to date as i can, if I've missed you in the import credits or have the wrong name listed under something someone else did, please let me know! Ill be more than happy to change it for the next version.

Feedback is welcome!!!

Keywords:
LOTR, Helms Deep, Total War, Helms Deep Total War, Siege, Defense, Lord of the Rings, Helms, Map, Heros, strategy, castle,
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Helms Deep Total War 1.7c (Map)

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01:15, 18th Jun 2010 VGsatomi: Approved. Decent Helms Deep map. More terrain and features then many. However those on offense have a hard time early in the game when they have little resources to replace fallen troops and forces are vulnerable to the...
  1. 01:15, 18th Jun 2010
    VGsatomi: Approved. Decent Helms Deep map. More terrain and features then many. However those on offense have a hard time early in the game when they have little resources to replace fallen troops and forces are vulnerable to the archers. Adds strategy over button mashing, but offense is more easily shut down then others.
     
  2. irock9645696

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    ANother helms deep and big file size too
     
  3. Garfield1337

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    It's nice Helms Deep map,it's not so hard for Uruk Hai as in most Helms Deep maps...
    I laughed a bit at that ending music when Uruk Hai win,but you should remove it because it takes memory and map is already large. Also i've noticed that when you use Uruk Hai artillery,a selectable dummy spawns at hitting position,add locust to it.
    The defenders' special abilities are very nice idea,Gimli's and Legolas' especialy xD
    Else...quite nice map,4/5
     
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    The music file size is a mere 197 kilobytes. The selectable dummy at the target area was something I must have overlooked. We will make it unselectable in the next version release. If anyone has any ideas for new special abilities to add, do feel free to make suggestions. We are very interested to hear what others would like to see in future versions.
     
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    I can just say, yet people try..
     
  6. Hawk

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    Well another Helm's Deep.But it's better then some other Helm's Deep maps.Just fix the icons they turn Green...:thumbs_up:
     
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    i dont get why people stress about filesize, its not that big unless your comp is "antiqe" when it goes over 100mb ill start to worry hope its a good map tho cant wait to hear this music XD
     
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    Some answers to questions.

    The Icons are green because they don't have placeholders for dead ones, i didn't include them to keep file-size low, you hardly see them so it is not to much of an issue.


    In regards to the file size: while it is larger than normal keep in mind that with todays internet speeds i highly doubt it will take people very long to download it. Not to mention that one of the many purposes of this site is to download maps so you don't have to download in game.
     
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    The maps looks nice. I will test it and comment when I come home later today :) (Surbscirbing to remember)
     
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    I think big map size is a sign of quality. The less of the old ugly blizzard models, the better.
    I don't hear you whine about SC2 maps being up to 20mb.
     
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    The main reason is the download time when playing online :) When a player hosts, the map is transfered from peer to peer meaning the download rate is totally Dependant on the hosts upload speed. If you've only got a 256kb upload speed, then a 4mb map is going to take a while to transfer. You're probably looking at spending about 20 minutes (or more) in the lobby before the game even starts :)

    Mind you, if you have a decent upload rate it won't really matter too much ;) I only say this because the majority of home-Internet users in the United Kingdom have less than 512kb upload speeds :p So reducing the map size as much as possible is always a good idea! :)

    SC2 maps are hosted on Blizzard servers. The download rate is a lot faster so file-size isn't so much of an issue :)

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    On-topic, I had a quick test of the map :D Love the custom imports etc and the whole-gameplay style was really great so good work there! I also really like the intro cinematic, it looked a lot like the real film :)

    Now for the constructive crit :)

    As with most Helm's deep maps, the orc heroes were near-useless on the field :/ Sending them forward resulted in getting them killed quite quickly against the enemy players, especially as the forces of good had much higher hero-levels mid-game ;) I guess one way to get round that may be make all orc heroes ranged (with reduced attack damage) so that they can take part in the battle, and not get totally annihilated ;)

    Also, 4mb is quite large for a 11-player map. I would highly recommend optimizing the quality of any custom textures you use :) You can normally scale them down to 256x256 in size, and save at 55% quality and you'll hardly notice the difference in game ;) You could probably shave a few 100kb off the file-size that way :D

    On the whole though, the map was really fun to play, and I look forward to any future updates! :) The map has lots of potential ;)
     
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    I personally don't know many players with that kind of low upload speed (perhaps my grandma, but she's not really into warcraft) so you should be fine.
    It's still a valid point though in many parts of the world, but good maps often get a host bot in wc3 which usually have pretty good upload.
     
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    Thanks! I look forward to your review.


    First thanks for the input, positive or constructive i appreciate the time people take to play and give feedback.

    Uruk hero's in general should be used with troops at ALL TIMES, think of uruk hero's more as commanders. Not necessarily useful on the front line, but good for support and special circumstances. A wave of archers is going to wipe anyone out no matter how powerful they are, i feel this is as good as i can get it unless i make them snipers and that wouldn't really be fair.


    A massive part of 1.4 was to make uruk hero's less of a hassle to play, while i feel i can do more i would still call it a half-success compared to 1.3 or lower.


    Id also like to apologize to people who live in foreign country's with slower ISP's. I assure you i have done everything i can to make the map smaller while keeping all quality in tact. All images i found to be .tga have been compressed to 24-bit pixels with RLE compression. I have also used a optimization program on the map that has reduced it 13% of its total size. Overall without these changes the map would be somewhere around 5MB so id call 4MB an improvement.

    If any of you have suggestions for future updates feel free to let me know!!! :goblin_yeah:
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2010
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    The hero icons don't have a working DISBTN. Abilities could use some work, develop them into something more innovative. As of now they are quite dull and some contain tool tip errors. Expecting Rohirrims and getting tiny foot soldiers for instance. Switching weapon could use a cooldown, as of now I can pretty much switch back and forth instantly, which allows me to deal crazy damage if controlled in the right way; making it a little OP. Terrain could be greatly improved by killing dead spots of plain terrain. I personally think you need some more innovative ideas to make a Helm's Deep map. I have played a bunch and they all look the same with only minor adjustments.

    In short, if you rework the terrain and unit abilities. This map's grade will rise.

    EDIT: Control points are nice.

    Depending on what level of quality you would like this map to be on I would rate it 3/5 on a Novice level, or 1/5 on a Professional level.

    Also excuse me if I'm being to direct. Best of luck.

    Yours,
    Chizume
     
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    Um i am newbie of world editor here im gonna tell you what is terrain?
     
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    The terrain is the environment and landscapes of a world editor map. Usually they are cliffs, tiles, heights and such related things.
     
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    totally awesome the models are what i want in a map and you got me. nice!!
     
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    This game is amazing. But there are a few problems I found that can make this game better.

    1. If you can add LOTR music that would be awesome.
    2. orc archers need to be nerf or cost wood instead of gold or both. I hate it when I see orc mass archers, they kill heroes way to fast before a heal can even go off when targeted.
    3. Minor issue theoden summon ability has the same short cut A ability for attack.
    4. Maybe make the patterns on the floor brighter for siege ladders. I don't have a problem with it but other players do.
    5. Found a bug with aragorn's special ability when he throws gimli, gimli gets stuck in the wall.


    Other than those things this is the best helms deep map ever created.
     
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    Thanks so much for the input, it helps make the map better. I've deiced to list off responses to your list in matching order:

    1. Music (especially high quality) takes up massive room file-size wise with our current file size already being a problem i cant say i can do this. I sometimes play music over wc3, so maybe you can get a LOTR soundtrack or something and mute wc3s music only =).

    2. Uruk archers are indeed a known issue, having been nerfed already once before, i can say its going to be hard to do so without making them mass only. Ill maybe weaken them a bit for 1.7 and consider reworking them in the future.

    3. ALL key shortcuts will be "QWER" physical based in 1.7 so this will no longer be an issue.

    4. With dynamic lighting the way it is i agree its hard to see for ladders positioning, my goal is to find a way to make it obvious where to put them while not breaking the maps immersion, i may hold off on this till after 1.7.

    5. Gimli has never gotten stuck for me, however his physics are really funny sometimes even without the event in play, I'm already looking into this but ill test that also.

    1.7 is coming out soon and its easily the biggest update since 1.2, hopefully at least some of your listed issues will be addressed.