spell casting ancient

[Rock_Golem]

I need to get an ancient of lore to be able to cast the spells root and force of nature while uprooted, unfortunatley, the only way to do this appears to be getting rid of the root ability, in which case he cannot move.I could create a new costum units of say..knight and just change the model file, but after testing the effects of root on a priest it appears uprooting gets rid of all powers and abilities.I've tried tinkering with the root ability but it doesn't seem to be working.How can I give the ancient of lore spells he can use while uprooted while still maintianing his ability to root?Must I use a trigger for this?Or perhaps theres a way to edit the effects of abilities that I am not aware of.It is most essentail that he maintain his ability to root as doing so gives him fortified armor.I don't mind a complicated solution as I have tried all of the simple ones I could think of.

 

[DarkAngelAzazel]

1. Learn how to use the "return or enter" button... so your text will be much easier to read...

solution:

I think the easiest way is using a trigger...

Event: Unit starts casting abilty
Condition: Ability = unproot
Action: Add root to triggering unit

 

[Rock_Golem]

I didn't realize it would be hard to read.
My apologies, dreadfully sorry.
as for you're suggestion, theres a problem, there is no uproot ability.
I adapted your trigger as best I could and put the root ability in for the trigger instead but nothing happened.If I used a trigger to give him the ability after using uprooting, if that is possible, would the abilities show up on the game interface?

 

[Rock_Golem]

I really need some help one his one guys, the problem isn't solved, I still can't get the ancient to cast anything standing up.

 

[InfiniteSeven]

Hmm I don't think you can easily. I don't know how to do it, but I'm betting it's not gonnna be done with a simple trigger, since the trigger will only affect the rooted version of the ancient.

- Infinite

 

[Rock_Golem]

well, what will make it affect the unrooted ancient?

 

[bounty hunter2]

maybe create a region around the ancient and then if he gets out add him the spells, if he is in removes them.

But it is not what you wanted.

 

[Rock_Golem]

hmmm, that could work, but what if he roots again?Would those powers still be there when he uproots again?

And yes, house is quite pawnsome.

 

[bounty hunter2]

And yes, house is quite pawnsome. indeed

so you would probably need a couple of triggers like this

unit leaves region
condition leaving unit = your unit
action ability add
-----------------------
unit enters region
entering unit - your unit
action remove abilities

 

[Rock_Golem]

I shall test this approach and be back momentarily

 

[bounty hunter2]

okay do so.

 

[Rock_Golem]

What luck, there was a classification "an ancient"

..
I'm afraid it's not working, but I did get an idea.
Eat tree is an ability that works when not rooted, I have to figyre out how it does that.
but once I do that no problem!(maybe, it depends)
Give me a moment to anylize this power.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Are you sure it doesnt work? I will try to make it myself and see if it works.

 

[Rock_Golem]

I'm afraid so, it doesn't appear to work on buildings....hmm,
do you suppose it doesn't work on ancients because they're buildings?
Edit:
curses, powers just don't show up when the ancient is uprooted!
I can give him an ability but it only shows up when he roots!
something about eat tree prevents it from doing that, but what?

 

[bounty hunter2]

I don't think it should be a problem. Try using a variable

variable = your unit

and then generic - unit leaves region
leaving unit = variable
unit add abilites

 

[Rock_Golem]

give me a minute, I can't seem to find a variable that will let me pick my unit, do you mean unit type?

 

[bounty hunter2]

Check the night elf unit section - it has an entire section for UPROTED units. There you can add abilities to them.
Edit - no this doesnt solve it as you cant find them in the object editor. Only in the unit palette. I will try creating the map with a trigger.

 

[Rock_Golem]

wow that's pretty cool of you.
thanks.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Hmmm I can't manage to solve it, now that I am in the editor. I am trying with diffrent things, but the editor engine doesn't regognize the uprooted unit. I will try some more. Maybe I will succed.

Edit: my only solution for now is that you try changing the eat tree ability to suit you the best, or try maybe replacing it if that works.

 

[Rock_Golem]

I treid that but I want to give him force of nature and entangle, eat tree doesn't have the data I require and I know not how to replace an ability.I only have concept ideas now, and I'm not skilled enought to execute them, they may also simply not work.My only chance of making this work now is to find a master.I apreciate your help though, your solutions would have worked if it weren't ancients we're dealing with.

 

[Rock_Golem]

Well I tried getting an expert to help but so far he hasn't responded so if anybody else could help me that would bhe great.Also, how do I get a mountain Giant to start of holding a war club?I made a very large mountain giant but his attack looks bad because his fist doesn't reach whatever he's trying to kill so I need him to use a war club all the time.Thanks in advance.

P.S. I know this isn't a spell casting ancient problem but I figured it wouldn't hurt anyone and It was kinder than starting a new thread.I still have the spell casting ancient of Lore problem.

 

[Nicokick]

Make a boolean variable for him called "root", that turns true/false when he casts the ability. Then add/remove the spells depending on the variable's status.

 

[Rock_Golem]

Make a boolean variable for him called "root", that turns true/false when he casts the ability. Then add/remove the spells depending on the variable's status.

I'm trying to make a trigger that will change the variable which will then change the ancients abilities.I'm assuming that's what you meant as you weren't very specific.But I can't seem to change any variable with the exception of a region variable.And what do I put the variable as to start off with true or false?False is the default.

 

[Hairy]

what about Metamorphosis that way he will change make it last forever and then make it so he can build (himself) where he wasnts to be placed then remove the Metamorphosis unit. and then they can repeat

EDIT:
under war club make it from 15 attacks to like 1000000000000000000 attacks (shift double click) there fore it would be almost impossible for it to dissapear.

 

[Rock_Golem]

I considered the 1000000000000000000 attacks apraoch but..then you have to grab a tree, I already know I could just do that.I need him to start with a tree in hand, so it'll look good.As for the metamorphisis aproach.I'm afraid I don't understand what your trying to tell me to do.how will metamorphisis help?

 

[Hairy]

well first metamorphisis uses a new unit therefore u can make ur new unit with the abilities u want also put build in with repair otherwise it wont build unless u make it a summon, and when its finished kill the unit. the builded unit will be the first unit u started with and thus he can repeat.

EDIT:
as for the war club the only thing i can think of is trying to add the model to the unit in to the hand u want.

 

[Rock_Golem]

Hmm, that metamorphosis idea is pretty damn clever!Just for that you get a reputation point, I hope that works.
Edit:
It seems to work!Theres still an animation bug but as long as I can fix that my ancient will work.Thanks for your help Hairy.And even if I can't get rid of it I can put a spin on it to explain the bug ingame.

 

[wolfman]

ok dont do metamorphosis cuz that has limited time. Just do like Bear Form from druid of claw or another ability that changes the unit. You can just set the original unit to building and other unit to uprooted ancient. Just make the uprooted ancient a footman or sumthin and change model, abilities, health, etc. Dont forget to remove the requirements for this ability if you use it tho.

AND STOP DOUBLE POSTING!!!!! use edit instead

 

[Hairy]

err yea i think he knows what to do.

and pttf qq edit bugs for me.

and metamorphosis can be set to 0 thus it has unlimited time. but yes bear form has same effect.

 

[wolfman]

but wit metamorphosis, there will be that little bar that says "Metamorphosis" on it unless you change buff, but it still wont look very good. I think that bear form would work better cuz it was made to change the unit permanently or until it is cast again.

 

[Hairy]

however u need to use a ability that maybe summons a building eg, mini town hall and when it is cast the unit dies because if u turn back u can place where u want the unit to be.