Siege of Wyrmrest Temple v3.0

[Moderator]

17:00, 10th Aug 2014
Hell_Master: Map rated 4/5 (Recommended) and approved. See my review below regarding the map:

Well, review emerges.

I find the game pretty good to be honest. Terrain's looking good but the scaling unit for everything looks quite big to be honest. I suggest making them smaller, same goes for the units most likely the dragons. It's not a major issues but at least for me, it looks weird. You could also add some bit of more props and doodads scattered around preferable rocks, snow grass patches set to walkable and etc. The raising also looks weird and you could have smoothen the ground on the pathway as shown on your first screenshot (also noticed it while playing but much better to point out the screenshot so you can know). Anyway, enough with terrains, overall, it actually looks good.

As for the gameplay itself, I think this should be not Altered Melee. The bosses looks challenging as hell I must say, took me forever to beat even the easiest of them because I'm not used to controlling multiple heroes but this map just gave me the experiences. The spells fits for each heroes even though they are just a bit modified but still the default blizzard spells, what matters is the spells are in the right heroes.

Nothing much to say. Probably some little terrain improvements, some scaling size tweaking and that's about it. Rated 4/5 and Approved.

+rep for the great map as well and motivation.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Cool looking map, maybe try making it multiplayer since I see you got to control more then one hero.

The link in my signature can help you make any map over 8mb multiplayer.

Might try it later.

 

[Garodar]

Cool looking map, maybe try making it multiplayer since I see you got to control more then one hero.

The link in my signature can help you make any map over 8mb multiplayer.

Might try it later.

What do you mean "try making it multiplayer".... every model's been squished down to the ground. If you want to play it cool as you said it is, then its impossible...and it was intented to control 5 heroes. Seems pretty balanced in my opinion.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

With Blizzard's official method of bypassing their filesize limit over servers you can have high quality models or any number in your map, their method is in my signature and it is local files. Sadly nobody took advantage of this method Blizz gave us til like around now.

Thanks to this even if they patch, your map won't break however if you use the edited game.dll which is the alternate method then it might break later.

 

[Garodar]

Nah, I don't understand that guide and I won't bother around anymore with the map.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Was just trying to help. What don't you understand so I can improve it?

Also will test out the map hopefully later today.

 

[Garodar]

I don't understand a sh!t in that guide without screenshots. But, even if I do understand everything, I won't do it. I'm trough with this map.

 

[Binsu]

Looks really promising. I will download this later seeing that I'm not on my own laptop yet and I'm using someone's laptop here, no mouse and such.

~Reserved for Review

 

[Garodar]

Looks really promising. I will download this later seeing that I'm not on my own laptop yet and I'm using someone's laptop here, no mouse and such.

~Reserved for Review

Thanks for checking out. Means a lot to me.

 

[Binsu]

Well, review emerges.

I find the game pretty good to be honest. Terrain's looking good but the scaling unit for everything looks quite big to be honest. I suggest making them smaller, same goes for the units most likely the dragons. It's not a major issues but at least for me, it looks weird. You could also add some bit of more props and doodads scattered around preferable rocks, snow grass patches set to walkable and etc. The raising also looks weird and you could have smoothen the ground on the pathway as shown on your first screenshot (also noticed it while playing but much better to point out the screenshot so you can know). Anyway, enough with terrains, overall, it actually looks good.

As for the gameplay itself, I think this should be not Altered Melee. The bosses looks challenging as hell I must say, took me forever to beat even the easiest of them because I'm not used to controlling multiple heroes but this map just gave me the experiences. The spells fits for each heroes even though they are just a bit modified but still the default blizzard spells, what matters is the spells are in the right heroes.

Nothing much to say. Probably some little terrain improvements, some scaling size tweaking and that's about it. Rated 4/5 and Approved.

+rep for the great map as well and motivation.

EDIT: Map type changed to Misc (but can be a Mini-Game type as well) to save you some time.

 

[Garodar]

Well, review emerges.

I find the game pretty good to be honest. Terrain's looking good but the scaling unit for everything looks quite big to be honest. I suggest making them smaller, same goes for the units most likely the dragons. It's not a major issues but at least for me, it looks weird. You could also add some bit of more props and doodads scattered around preferable rocks, snow grass patches set to walkable and etc. The raising also looks weird and you could have smoothen the ground on the pathway as shown on your first screenshot (also noticed it while playing but much better to point out the screenshot so you can know). Anyway, enough with terrains, overall, it actually looks good.

As for the gameplay itself, I think this should be not Altered Melee. The bosses looks challenging as hell I must say, took me forever to beat even the easiest of them because I'm not used to controlling multiple heroes but this map just gave me the experiences. The spells fits for each heroes even though they are just a bit modified but still the default blizzard spells, what matters is the spells are in the right heroes.

Nothing much to say. Probably some little terrain improvements, some scaling size tweaking and that's about it. Rated 4/5 and Approved.

+rep for the great map as well and motivation.

EDIT: Map type changed to Misc (but can be a Mini-Game type as well) to save you some time.

I'll see what I can do, but I'm not warmed up for it anymore atm. Working on other part "Fall of Deathwing"... that looks like milions of times better with every model in it.

 

[odd17]

Nice map. Similar to the Lich King fight map that I made

 

[Garodar]

Nice map. Similar to the Lich King fight map that I made

Yea, I remember it. You gave me the DBM sound not a... year--ago?

 

[DUTY OF RS]

The models size of mostly everything is to big.
And to have 5 heros to controll is just making it all stressing.
So you should fix those at least.

 

[Garodar]

The models size of mostly everything is to big.
And to have 5 heros to controll is just making it all stressing.
So you should fix those at least.

Controlling 5 heroes is too easy. I won't change anything about it. Every model's been squished and I can't do anything about it anymore.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Controlling 5 heroes is too easy. I won't change anything about it. Every model's been squished and I can't do anything about it anymore.

That's false, if you want I can do it for you. It shouldn't take too long for me.

 

[Garodar]

You mean, you can squish the map down to the 8 MB, or persuade me to use your method of bypassing limitations?

#UPDATED the map and nerfed Zon'ozz for 15%, plus fixed iseedeadpeople exploit and disabled its anticheat. All added in changelog.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

I mean I could do my method for you, could check your imports though to see if they are squishable... I doubt it because there is a limit before stuff starts to degrade badly.

 

[Garodar]

I mean I could do my method for you, could check your imports though to see if they are squishable... I doubt it because there is a limit before stuff starts to degrade badly.

Nah, no... I've said it before. Unless you can squish the map, I don't really need help. Thanks for trying to help, but sorry, I won't try the method.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Nah, no... I've said it before. Unless you can squish the map, I don't really need help. Thanks for trying to help, but sorry, I won't try the method.

You didn't read my post very well, I said I would do it for you as well I need to know the import manager before presuming I can squish the map. Don't need you to try the method when I could show you myself. Well unless your extremely over-protective of your map.

I can see your not interested in making this multiplayer sadly, well good luck with future projects.

 

[Garodar]

You didn't read my post very well, I said I would do it for you as well I need to know the import manager before presuming I can squish the map. Don't need you to try the method when I could show you myself. Well unless your extremely over-protective of your map.

I can see your not interested in making this multiplayer sadly, well good luck with future projects.

I only accept under 8MB squish conditions. But, no sorry.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Want an example map that is playable on bnet and over 8mb? Also as I said if you want me to attempt to squish, I can take a look. I am a busy hiver so it is rare I ever offer something like this. The reason I am going to such lengths if I want other people to learn of the actual official method blizzard gave us to bypass 8mb and I really wanted to help you. Still do, your map will be much more fun with a team. Much like any WoW map in wc3.

Since your done on the map and don't really want to work on it anymore viewing from your replies I don't see any possible damage besides wasting my time. Just consider it maybe? I won't comment on this anymore after this post though, will have to take it to visitor or private messaging. Don't want to clutter your map thread up.

 

[Garodar]

Want an example map that is playable on bnet and over 8mb? Also as I said if you want me to attempt to squish, I can take a look. I am a busy hiver so it is rare I ever offer something like this. The reason I am going to such lengths if I want other people to learn of the actual official method blizzard gave us to bypass 8mb and I really wanted to help you. Still do, your map will be much more fun with a team. Much like any WoW map in wc3.

Since your done on the map and don't really want to work on it anymore viewing from your replies I don't see any possible damage besides wasting my time. Just consider it maybe? I won't comment on this anymore after this post though, will have to take it to visitor or private messaging. Don't want to clutter your map thread up.

If you can squish it on 8MB, then feel free to and let me know.

 

[Garodar]

UPDATE

Updated version 2.8. 2.7 was merely for 1 option and wasn't up for a release. Updated few things that have been added to changelog.

Changelog:

General:

- Morchok's Spike model updated.
- Added new NPC: Claw of Go'rath and its model.
- Addes wanted option: Zoom out camera. Check commands quest for info.

Spells:

- Healing Surge mana increase from 15 to 20.
- Chain Heal mana increase by 5%.
- Healing Wave mana nerf by 10%.
- Healing Rain duration increase by 5%.

Bosses:

- Warlord Zon'ozz full encounter nerf by 5%.

Others:

- Fixed another greedisgood exploit.

Thanks to the changes, gameplay is now alot smoother and more enjoyable.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

You could just disable single-player to avoid work-arounds for the cheat system.

Just allow LAN/B-Net 1 player capabilities?

 

[Garodar]

Lolz, its not B-NET playable 'tho. Anticheat system is alot messy to play with.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Oh yeah I forgot, you didn't want to allow it to be playable in anything other then SP.

You have to do like 25 things just to disable cheats in SP though. Have you disabled them all yet?

 

[Garodar]

I didn't forbid anyone to try and make it multiplayer, I just said, I don't wanna do it, because I dunno how or wanna bother with it.. Other feel free to try.

Nah, only like 4 of them. I dunno how to make others.

 

[odd17]

If you could reduce the map size to 8MB to be playable multiplayer it would be good because its hard to control 5 heroes at the same time, or you could add NPC players but that's a lot of effort and will be like 'auto win mode', try reducing models size using the mdx squisher tool, and remove unnecessary sounds/models like the intro, or you could split the map into two different maps where each contain 2 bosses only. Also if you could terrain the madness of Deathwing area I would do that whole map

 

[Garodar]

I've used everything in my powah and I can't go lower. If you think you could try without changing anything in triggers, feel free. I don't understand what you mean terrain madness of deathwing area? Fall of Deathwing is my map.

 

[Garodar]

UPDATED

NEW PATCH: 3.0 IS OUT!

Changelog:

General:
- Fixed Claw of Go'rath basic damage.
- Globules damage tweak and changes.

Spells:

- Shield Slam rage cost increased by 50%.
- Thunder Clap rage cost increased by 50%.
- Fan of Knives energy cost increased by 40%.
- Sinister Strike energy cost increased by 50%.
- Eviscerate cast range fixed and moved from 800 to 100.
- Eviscerate damage increase by 80%.
- Sinister Strike damage increase by 50%.
- Shield Slam damage increase by 50%.
- Thunder Clap AOE damage increased by 35%.
- Frostbolt damage increased by 50%.
- Firebolt damage increased by 45%.
- All of the following changes and spells were JASS-ed due to security.

Bosses:
- Yor'sahj's Void Bolt now does little AOE damage to other heroes.
- Yor'sahj's fight was more balanced due to Void Bolt changes and stack fixed.

Others:
- Lumber cheat exploit fixed.

- All of the following changes and fixed were made to balance the damage your heroes do and to make the add control procedure a lot easier and more controlable.
- The patch 2.9 was merely testing patch and was under a bit of delay, but right now, we have released the last patch, which is 3.0. Hopefully you'll enjoy this new and more complete content.

 

[odd17]

Oh I didn't see your Fall of Deathwing map until now, good luck, looks amazing

"Main feature is that this is singleplayer map. Each player controls 1 hero." I don't understand, single player or multiplayer?

 

[Garodar]

Little mistake in the topic. Will correct it.

 

[BotLoot]

I give 5/5 because its a very good quality single player raid (bossfight). (Its what I always wanted and this kind of maps is mostly nonexistent)
However this map has still much room for improvements:

1. I found the weakest part are hero abilities. You are mostly just pressing q e to deal damage on most heroes repeatedly. It could be automated.
Or more heroes could get different ultimate abilities with long cooldown. (or something like that.)
Also. A customizable heroes like choosing resto druid as a healer not the shaman or something like that would be nice.

2. There is missing mana regen outside of combat. Its a pain in the *** to wait for it. (Please consider adding some food or some out of combat regen.)

3. I found a minor bug. When you kill the first boss and most of your heroes are dying at the same time (kinda like very close boss kill) some of your heroes do not revive.

 

[Garodar]

Cant fix any of these issues because the map is protected even from me and I no longer have the original map. I did like your ideas tho. It might inspire future projects, in case I decide to make any. Thanks for the feedback on such an... old project. Its very much appreciated.

 

[Lich134]

sounds promising,i try it out

 

[Lich134]

okay first of all i enjoyed it and i gonna try your other map as well
General:Hunter's pet got a timer which means after some time it will disappear and that's not good it's much of a deal but still
mana and heal potion are not too weak(heal potion heals 250 and mana potion 150)compare to heroes massive hp and mana points(mage got 5k mana)
while clearing my path to the first boss i lose too much mana and i have to wait a long time to it regenerate later i found that wiping a boss will reset mana and health which is good do something about between boss fights Regeneration's
shaman's auto healing spell is not balance it takes to much mana while it's other spells takes less mana and heal much more
I know rogue must be fast but it's to fast it's like a noob rush if you ask me
mages blizzard spell is too weak(100 Damage)
FIRST BOSS:
when morchok do stomp it will become friendly for a second
SECOND BOSS:
I killed warlord Zon'ozz but void of the unmaking stayed i tried to get out of raid but it wiped my group and after that my group did not respawn but luckily i got a save i used it killed the boss again this i take the orb in middle of the raid and i leaved it there i had no more problem ever sense
THIRD BOSS:
Yor'shj's tactics are too difficult to handle(gloube's are too difficult to kill)
after my first wipe raid did not reset there were still some forgotten ones next to boss
mana globe spawns too close to the boss i can't aim it so it takes my caster's mana(healer as well)and now i'm dead(i used cheats to do this boss)
FINAl BOSS:
When the final boss is in the middle of the platform and casting it will become friendly which means if i use a aoe healing spell it will heal the boss as well
and thank you for your time you did an awesome job love the models love the dialouge's love every thing
9/10 AWESOME
+rep