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Should Blizzard Make WC3 Free 2 Play?

Discussion in 'Warcraft Discussion' started by StoPCampinGn00b, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. A Void

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    I am not here to argue, I simply stated my opinion that Warcraft 3 should not be free to play. Buy the game and stop whining with your pirated copies. I purchased Warcraft 3 because I really enjoyed it and still play it up to this day, besides it wasn't that expensive.
     
  2. deepstrasz

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    I don't think they can go against the federal law with that. Furthermore, my country hasn't implemented strong laws on digital stuff so, they wouldn't be able to do much about it anyway.

    What I think they're (hopefully) trying to do is:
    -be able to remove inappropriate stuff
    -keep what they deem valuable and what may attract players in case said creator would want to delete the map
    -keep people working with their engine

    Here's some of what Warcraft III says:
    "1. Limited Use License. Blizzard Entertainment ("Blizzard") hereby grants, and by installing the Program you thereby accept, a limited, non-exclusive license and right to install and use one (1) copy of the Program for your use on a home, business, or portable computer. The Program also contains a 'World Editor' (the "Editor") that allows you to create custom levels or other materials for your personal use in connection with the Program ("New Materials"). All use of the Editor or any New Materials is subject to this License Agreement. In addition, the Program has a multiplayer capability that allows users to utilize the Program over the Internet exclusively via Blizzard Entertainment's on-line game network Battle.net or other hosting service authorized by Blizzard Entertainment."

    "2. Ownership. All title, ownership rights, and intellectual property rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including, but not limited to, any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related documentation, and "applets" incorporated into the Program) are owned by Blizzard Entertainment or its licensors. The Program is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international copyright treaties, and conventions and other laws. All rights are reserved."
    That's about it on the matter.
     
  3. Kyrbi0

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    Well since you can get Sc2 for free now (but only to play multiplayer, no campaign/story mode), people could just use the multiplayer Arcade to freely DL people's modded recreations of the campaign & defeat the whole impetus to buy it.
     
  4. deepstrasz

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    0.000...% would be insane enough to actually recreate the whole campaigns (in their vision?). I'm saying, it most probably isn't happening. Look at this though:
    Starcraft: Mass Recall - StarCraft 2 Maps - SC2Mapster
    Nobody, from what I know, complained about that.

    Let's say you want to make a parody, satire. It's a human right. And they would still be released as maps because SCII hasn't got a campaign system for the Galaxy Editor.
     
  5. Kyrbi0

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    However slim the chance, it makes total sense to mandate that it should not happen.

    I don't know what to say about parody.
     
  6. JaysProjex

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    I'm saying that everyone should be brought together because there is a mass divide in the Warcraft 3 community.

    We're not talking about Starcraft 2, it's not in the topic, it's not being compared, so stop talking about it

    If you think Warcraft 3 has value, currently you can get it for free for the campaign & multiplayer & can still get on battle net servers with hosting bots. Which part did you not understand? I guess it depends on how you define value.

    Wow & so does nearly everyone else it makes no difference. The only way to properly resolve this game is to have it go free to play, I'm not second guessing this shit.

    If & when Acti Blizz decides to fix the loophole with hosting bots, everyone will swarm to private LANs like game ranger & battle net will be no more for this game, then nobody will pay for this game, it's as simple as that.

    If you want to sit here & demand people to purchase Wc3 to give false information that you assume it helps supports Blizzard whom no longer exists, it doesn't that dev team is long gone, you support a new company that didn't even make the game that put their signature on paper to allow rights of property ownership.
     
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  7. deepstrasz

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    Stop acting like that. You're saying you want something against pirating the game or not? Or just make it free because it can be pirated anyway?
    Don't be silly. It has a lot to do. I don't want Warcraft III to go down that path.
    Judging by what exactly? It has a lot of value. Can't you see this site is mostly about Warcraft III?
    I'm afraid this game isn't only about playing ladder and custom games through Battle.net.
    It's not about that. It's the idea that it should at least cost something. Making it free equals it to being dump.

    So without going further into that nonsense, properly porting the game to Battle.net 2.0 would probably save it from whatever Skynet you're writing about and would unite the worldly Warcraft III clans too...
     
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  8. A Void

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    I just want to add something up. Warcraft 3 is currently being supported by Classic Games team, they are in charge of patching the game and providing support. Hive has contacted them, we have given them suggestions and they have listened. You can find more information about that here.
     
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    The logical answer is to make it go free, I'm not going to sit here & discuss pirating just so you can point fingers, I'm telling you what I think is the best option for this game.

    You can do this at other private LAN servers (ladder games), I really don't see a difference in your answers.

    All the more reason as to not bring it up

    Value depends on the person, this site supports Warcraft III, you're adding the 2 together to increase the value, the way I see it that's not how value works.

    You follow that idea pretty blindly

    If it meant getting model & texture updates without sabotaging the game yes I could see it working but from where the game stands as of now, no I don't see this working.
     
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  10. deepstrasz

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    I honestly have a hard time understanding your big idea. Please elaborate to me as if I were really stupid. WHAT exactly is supposed to make this game work that isn't right now?
    Why necessarily upgrade those? I'm not talking about an engine upgrade. I'm saying "change" the way the game is played through multiplayer so that there would be little to no problems. I suggested porting it to Battle.net 2.0 because the game belongs to a company that could actually do something for the game in what the multiplayer is concerned since this is YOUR main issue (which I was trying to imply that the game offers more than multiplayer; it offers singleplayer and an editor for that and multiplayer).
    What is value to you in what Warcraft III is concerned?
     
  11. DracoL1ch

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    listening is good, but I see no effect at that. I have tons of request, most of which are MUST HAVE requires, yet nobody cares. they have unknown goals and unknown managers to rule all things. Do you see any possibilities of a good patch? I dont. Thats why mem hack will be a real patch for the rest of WC3 world. blizz could never provide anything better than that
     
  12. JaysProjex

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    I'm out of time will review later

    This new company is a train wreck & has done nothing other than give us more problems, be careful what you wish for.

    +1
     
  13. deepstrasz

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    It would be dreamlike for the Hiveworkshop or someone dedicated to purchase the rights... Back to reality, I don't see any other way without going around legality.
     
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    what is legality anyway? people who dl custom maps arent violate eula
     
  15. deepstrasz

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    The discussion went towards Warcraft III's Battle.net 1.0 which @JaysProjex says it's improper due to many reasons. I'm saying Battle.net 2.0 could repair that but he says the current BlizzEnt is an evil company and it would be probably better for someone else [god(s)?] to fix it so I suggested a utopia where the Hive or a philanthropist would acquire the Warcraft III rights.
     
  16. JaysProjex

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    I'll explain

    Let's say Activision Blizzard gives us a new update, in this update all problems associated with hosting & channel bots are gone completely. If this happens & does not go free to play, the population count on battle net will drastically drop meaning less players to play with online in return we all get what we wanted to see hosted games by players once again but with a lesser community.

    As a map author I find it hard to believe that players would purchase it since there are more popular free to play model games out there. You can argue with this however you like but take note that LAN is supported & players who obtain the game for free would just flock over on something like Game Ranger to continue to play. The only backdrop to Game Ranger is that it doesn't monitor for 3rd party software.

    There's thousands of people who wouldn't to pay for it, I find this difficult to work with because I would rather play retail servers, however there is a major problem with retail servers, a few examples are those who use 3rd party software cannot be permanently banned while using Garena or ENT, remember that these 2 are shown to work on retail battle net servers. Anyone on retail servers that uses 3rd party software gets detected & eventually will be permanently banned. If you want to continue to play retail servers you must then re-purchase the product for a new c-d key. Garena or ENT on the other hand get a free pass with the advantage of using 3rd party software without being banned & without purchasing it at all while still connecting to retail servers.

    Honestly with all of this going on including the hosting bots, unless you want to play for ladder seasons, you would have to be really stupid to buy this game. I purchased the game (along time ago...far far away...) but I cannot enjoy the online community because of these problems. For what it's worth I only see value in ladder seasons which I could really careless for as I much rather enjoy custom games, so do you find the value of this game for ladder games? I'll leave that up to you to decide, for me it's not worth it & even I who paid for the game will admit to this.

    If Activision Blizzard takes the wrong turn & decides to disable LAN with a update (I've seen this happen to games) they would be in for a wild shit storm.

    If Activision Blizzard were to make a update that follows hives recommendations of a update, there is a slight possibility that it could work as a pay to purchase model but I fear the worst of things would happen

    #1 I could see a increase of popularity for the Warcraft 3 (wait there's more...)
    #2 Increasing popularity drifts the attention of Activision Blizzard towards Warcraft 3 (wait for it...)
    #3 The problem (they may go out of their way to update the game how they want it) creating updates we don't like & completely sabotaging the game we all enjoy
    #4 There is absolutely no guarantee that they will listen & will depend on pure luck to get a great classic team together
    #5 There is a less chance of it becoming the Warcraft 3 dream if it's not made free to play.

    If Activision Blizzard were to make a update that follows hives recommendations of a update with a free to play model, I could see a better vision of this game.

    Free to play games attract players, Activision Blizzard can use ads on Warcraft 3 (like they do now...) to pull players towards their other games for those who don't know about their other games (which cost money) will lead to $profit$ then everyone is happy. That's why they say "advertisements" pay for the cost, the ads will pay for Wc3 servers.
     
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    More people with a free game would be better because why? The server has to be maintained. At least 10 bucks for WcIII, some respect even if it's lousy respect.
    Also, why do you think people (that currently pirate[d] the game; they wouldn't care anyway for the fixes because they'll probably still play through the emulator they're using) won't buy the game if those fixes will be implemented?
    Even a better reason to buy this game than SCII for instance.
    Big deal. They should just unban their CD-Keys so they won't have to buy the game again.
    Well, I'm not a fan of ladder games, I mostly play singleplayer maps (+the game's campaigns) and create maps. Played only a few times through Battle.net. Never liked the interface and all that as it was pretty much close to the LAN's. As I've said, it's easier for me to play through GameRanger because it has decent chat rooms and you basically play through LAN. Also, I play with friends (scheduled games) which means I don't really care for random people or bots coming in.
    No. That's not what they should do. I won't support that.
    Actually making it free to play might increase the chance of minitransactions policies which disgust me, usually.

    And people not buying the game, it's mostly because it has outdated graphics. Most of those that still play it will surely buy it.
     
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    It's programming notation. It's just the standard.

    The right to create satire is not a human right. The right to freedom of speech is a human right, and that is what satire relies on. I am not sure... exactly how far the excuse of freedom of speech gets you... maybe... maybe... you could like sue them if they took down your parody game based on the sc2 campaign idk I have no idea. But they would (probably) take down your game, so you would have to sue them (crazier things have happened). Like in SC2, there was like this game called Sex on the Beach or something, it got taken down I think so it got renamed Procreation on the Beach. Maybe they could sue Blizzard for denying them freedom of speech? Who knows. Probably not.

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    The thing I want to repeat is that I don't see Warcraft 3 getting a huge boost just because it is made free to play. Some people might, but the thing is that wc3 is a stupidly old game, and RTS games are losing popularity, so the only people interested in it would be the guys who go back to play it for old times sake, and those are the guys who already own the game. Truly new people aren't going to go play wc3 whether it free or it is paid for. That is a simple fact.

    Also, there are two things that Blizzard cares about. They care about creating great games. And they care about making money.

    They are not going to make wc3 free just because it will attract more people. Would that make it a better game? Not necessarily. Would it allow them to make more money? Certainly not.

    So why should they make wc3 free? Popularity != Quality, look at league of legends.

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    The only real advantage of making the game F2P that I can see is that it might get some of the gaming media's attention. I don't really know if it would get that much attention though.
     
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    That's maybe because they have a set of rules, a code of conduct and that kind of stuff (maybe erotic or pornographic, IDK) is not allowed. A satire respecting the code of conduct wouldn't be the same. Also, I doubt it was only because of the word sex that they then allowed the map renamed to procreation. It's basically the same thing, not exactly though. The right to speech doesn't allow you to go nude on the streets.
    I dare say that the second one has been put above for quite some time now (you know, since microtransactions for a game that's not free to play to begin with but was forced into becoming one at some point).
    I don't think they even made the first two Warcraft games or even Blackthorne and the Lost Vikings free so I wouldn't go that way. Even if they decide to make it "free" they'll go the SCII way because that's how you do business nowadays and it's about earning not being a philanthropist or anything the like. That's why it would be fair for it to be bought for the low price it has now with the addition of porting the game to Battle.net 2.0 and solving the issues of multiplayer and hopefully those that were mentioned in:
    Warcraft 3 patch wish list
     
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    Official free download page for Blackthorne, The Lost Vikings and Rock n' Roll Racing:
    https://us.battle.net/account/download#classic

    Hope more will follow soon :wink:

    At the very least, free official downloads of both the diskette and CD-ROM version of Warcraft: Orcs and Humans would be so very nice, please Mr Blizzard Sir...

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