Server issues {server hiccuping ?? and 500 - Internal Server Error}

[thelifelessone]

If you don't believe me that a DoS can do this, I'll demonstrate it

I'd like to demonstrate that it is indeed not a DoS, if Ralle doesn't mind.

 

[Ironside]

Lol man, your going to demonstrate that it's not a DoS, while I can demonstrate that it can easily be a DoS?

 

[Dr Super Good]

A DoS attack causes everyone to get "server is busy" messages until he is IP banned. That was what happened when we were DoS attacked by some script kiddy and it was fixed as soon as VB axcepted the ban.

THW is a small server, thus can be DoSed easilly by something like wanting the homepage repetitivly. Fortunatly there are scripts like those battlenet uses to stop DoS attacks where it auto IP bans connections making nonsense or dumb requests to waste resources. Hopefully Ralle will look into setting up something like that if he has not already or if DoS occur regually so do not worry about it.

Also do not try to DoS TheHiveWorkshop, even if it is to prove something or not. It will cause more grievences and also might encourage more people to do it which is not a good thing. It might also result in your account being banned as there are ways to find who launched the attack.

A general rule of thumb is to unban banned IP adresses every year or so as the likly hood of an attack from the same IP adress after that time is low.

Battlenet works by IP banning for a few hours and if more dumb requests come it extends the ban.

 

[Ironside]

Finaly, been waiting for someone who can prove that a DoS works on the Hive, but he got banned.

 

[thelifelessone]

Lol man, your going to demonstrate that it's not a DoS, while I can demonstrate that it can easily be a DoS?

No, I'm not going to DoS the server. At least not without Ralle's permission.

 

[Ironside]

I know man, I was joking ... Anyway case solved if you ask me, a DoS, not to strong either.

 

[The World Is Flat]

So ralle, have you decided hosting? or a new server?

 

[Grey Nightmare]

Good ol' Twif

 

[Crimson-Guard]

lols i dont even understand a single thing u guys are talking about >.< anyway can anyone plz explain to me wads is causing these hiccups ???

 

[Ironside]

Above me, PM me I'll explain DoS and DDoS (though DoS was causing it)

 

[thelifelessone]

Seems like it is.

 

[-Berz-]

Yeah, it works now

 

[The Reborn Devil]

I don't understand why anyone would waste their time with a DoS attack on the hive.

For those who don't know what DoS is, it means "Denial of Service", and basically means that the targeted server (in this case hiveworkshop) gets flooded with requests making it operate poorly. DDoS stands for "Distributed Denial of Service" and means that several computers take part in it, often not knowing they are. F.ex, the operator of a botnet can make everyone in the botnet flood the hive with requests, again with the intention of making it busy or even force it to reset.

 

[Ironside]

Yep, what The_Reborn_Devil said

 

[Pyritie]

How "hard" has he tested it? As I said, I don't doubt Ralle, just exploring possibilities.
Also, check database load.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/members/132833-albums102-picture8248.jpg , although this was with the old chat (which was less efficient than the current one)

 

[Mr. Bob]

I get the 403 error almost everytime I go from Blinkboy's tutorial page to another page. Especially when I log in from that page. It's insane. It works fine everywhere else though.

Someone may be hacking that page or something... I dunno... I really have no idea how it works...

 

[thelifelessone]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/members/132833-albums102-picture8248.jpg , although this was with the old chat (which was less efficient than the current one)

If you ran the tests on an old version, I'd recommend running them on the new version, while you monitor all the server resources.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

What's a DoS or DDoS or DDDoS or such?

 

[thelifelessone]

A DoS is basically an attempt to overwhelm the server.

A DDoS is the same concept as a DoS, but rather than a single user running the attack, it's distributed across dozens, if not hundreds or even thousands of infected computers, creating an even larger impact on the server than what a DoS could ever hope to achieve.

 

[Ironside]

Yeah, as TheLifelessOne said He got faster

 

[ACdestinydream]

HTTP 500 internal server error... RAWR

i was having fun viewing the spell section when....

wtf

BOOM!

is hive going under some form of maintainence?

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Oh, this happens to me sometimes too, but I think it's just on long occasions, when my internet usually works up a bit. So I don't think there's anything wrong there

 

[ACdestinydream]

my internet didnt work up since i changed my modem and look at my tabs! they are empty! i did not have a single dl/game on so i dont get it why is my internet slow.

 

[Pharaoh_]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/site-discussion-97/403-168598/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/site-discussion-97/sever-hicupping-164773/

This issue is mentioned within those pages.

 

[ACdestinydream]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/site-discussion-97/403-168598/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/site-discussion-97/sever-hicupping-164773/

This issue is mentioned within those pages.

no it isnt. these threads are talking about DoS which is basically hacking while having a 500 is totally different from having a 403 or 404. so i dont see the similiarity.

5xx errors

The server failed to fulfill an apparently valid request.

Response status codes beginning with the digit "5" indicate cases in which the server is aware that it has encountered an error or is otherwise incapable of performing the request. Except when responding to a HEAD request, the server should include an entity containing an explanation of the error situation, and indicate whether it is a temporary or permanent condition. Likewise, user agents should display any included entity to the user. These response codes are applicable to any request method.

500 Internal Server Error

A generic error message, given when no more specific message is suitable.

4xx errors

4xx Client Error
The 4xx class of status code is intended for cases in which the client seems to have erred. Except when responding to a HEAD request, the server should include an entity containing an explanation of the error situation, and whether it is a temporary or permanent condition. These status codes are applicable to any request method. User agents should display any included entity to the user. These are typically the most common error codes encountered while online.

403 Forbidden

The request was a legal request, but the server is refusing to respond to it. Unlike a 401 Unauthorized response, authenticating will make no difference.

404 Not Found

The requested resource could not be found but may be available again in the future. Subsequent requests by the client are permissible

see the difference now? i want to know WHY is the server giving a http 500 internal server error...

 

[Samuraid]

Short answer: The 500 error happens when there are too many requests for the server to process at once.

Long answer: There are a certain number of fastCGI processes available to handle requests for PHP pages. If too many people try to load PHP pages at once, and there are not enough processes available to handle all the requests, the web server software will show the 500 error.

Either way, it's not a cause for alarm, and hopefully some upcoming changes to Hive will solve the problem.

 

[Ralle]

In other news. We have a new server and we are preparing to move THW onto it!

 

[ACdestinydream]

best news ever. alright this sums it up. can any mod please make this solved

 

[thelifelessone]

In other news. We have a new server and we are preparing to move THW onto it!

Who's your host?

 

[Ralle]

We are now hosted at http://www.webnx.com

 

[Miss_Foxy]

It sounds really great to finally have something new for Hive
Thanks Ralle!

PS: Here's a little +Rep for you, our friendly moose

 

[thelifelessone]

We are now hosted at http://www.webnx.com

Which plan, if you don't mind me asking? (And if you do, well the feel free to delete this post. )

 

[Ralle]

The x3440 plan. Only 2 GB of RAM. I hope we can survive with only that otherwise we'll have to upgrade to 4 GB

 

[Etzer]

I see what the Hive did there


Well, since the new server came up yesterday the hive have been offline quite alot of time.
Is that some starting trouble?

 

[TheDivineBoss]

If you install a new engine in your car then don't expect it'll run smoothly on the first run.

 

[Etzer]

I don't have a car.

 

[Grey Nightmare]

It did? I haven't noticed a thing yet... good or bad.

Etzer it was a metaphor ^.^

 

[Deleted member 157129]

There has been less hiccuping than before the server change, the offline moments are probably just Ralle working on the database. Besides, the server backup time has changed, so if you didn't notice that before, you might do now.

 

[Dr. Boom]

Moin moin =)

The only thing I notice was that since yesterday hive gets slower and slooower and slooooower and then a 500 Error and this again and again

But ok, if Ralle do something in the background with new engine and db ... =)

( In this case I hope he clears all the forums now ( there are sooo many triggers that aren't existing but still in the forum list ). Ok I know this will be a lot of work, but if he's already working ... )

Greetings
~The Bomb King > Dr. Boom

 

[Crimson-Guard]

hmm dont know if anyone got an internal sever error just now but i did ...

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

The new server is awful. Although I didnt stay in SC incgamers much I got so sick of their 20 seconds to load a page... so I gladly quit it. This is becoming the same. Currently got 3 times internal error and loading is slow..

 

[Ralle]

I am very sorry about this. I don't know why it is behaving like this. But I promise you, it won't stay this way.

 

[Crimson-Guard]

hmm chat is the same too keep on rejoining ...
BTW lost count of how many time i rj ...

 

[Tleno]

Old server was way better... by the way, from where you got this server?

 

[Crimson-Guard]

and yet again another internal sever attack ...

 

[Rui]

Well, with the new server things were supposed to have been made better, not worse. I'm sure this is just a script error that will get fixed eventually.
_{Until then, happy internal server errors, everyone!}

 

[Crimson-Guard]

Well, with the new server things were supposed to have been made better, not worse. I'm sure this is just a script error that will get fixed eventually.
_{Until then, happy internal server errors, everyone!}

hmph at least 1 good thing is that there is no more hiccups (or is there ?)

 

[Grey Nightmare]

Well since this morning 10:00am ish (GMT + 0) thw has been either crawling or 500ing me all day, it's still doing it now, I know another european user who has the same problem but a USA user who thinks it's fine.

I've never had problems before... What's up?

 

[The World Is Flat]

Well, i hope my money is being spent wisley.

 

[Weep]

Well, I'm still seeing random 500 internal server errors - in fact, I just got one a couple of minutes ago.