Quick question.

[Mr. Bob]

Is there any way I can make my model visible in game even if the game camera is not viewing the center? I ask this because I want to model a new terrain, but, if I were to look in the far corner, the model would dissapear...

 

[BlinkBoy]

there's a flag that avoids that in materials:

one of this:
SphereEnvMap,
Unfogged,
NoDepthTest,
NoDepthSet,

try them all.

 

[Mr. Bob]

there's a flag that avoids that in materials:

one of this:
SphereEnvMap,
Unfogged,
NoDepthTest,
NoDepthSet,

try them all.

None of them work.

SphereEnvMap screws up the texture.

Unfogged merely takes away fog...lol

The other two seem to invert the model...Weird...

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

you need to change the maximum extent, either with magos (there is even a calculate extents button, though it does only work partly) or via .mdl editing...

the savest way would be to add a big sphere or whatever which is even bigger as the model itself and tick "Collision Object" in the User Property Editor...

Sometimes the extents are getting fucked up which is why you could try to duplicate the former box, untick the collision thingy on the new one and export and then delete it via magos

 

[BlinkBoy]

you need to change the maximum extent, either with magos (there is even a calculate extents button, though it does only work partly) or via .mdl editing...

the savest way would be to add a big sphere or whatever which is even bigger as the model itself and tick "Collision Object" in the User Property Editor...

Sometimes the extents are getting fucked up which is why you could try to duplicate the former box, untick the collision thingy on the new one and export and then delete it via magos

that would make his model a pain in the arse to place in the editor. But could work.

But collision shapes have nothing to do with it, all they do is help the system detect collisions of missiles or units.

 

[Callahan]

It's all about extent and if you resize the scale of unit/object via object editor it won't resize the extent.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

i do have that problem with a lot of my models...
plz tell me how get to know how big i need to size the extent?
and how to do that manually!

 

[Mr. Bob]

Can I simply make the maximum extent VERY large? Would it make a difference?

 

[BlinkBoy]

yeah, let's say the object would be selectable everywhere.

 

[Mr. Bob]

yeah, let's say the object would be selectable everywhere.

Oh I forgot to tell you, it would be a doodad lol. Selection makes no difference.

I Just want to be able to see it even if the center of the model is not on screen. For instance, If I were to add alpha to all of the ground terrain then add a giant planet model below, unless I see the very center, none of the model would be visible. lol

EDIT: K, I took the 'rifleman' and went to it's 'model properties' in magos. There, I raised the maximum extent to 1000000 (I also tried 10000 and 100000) and it's minimum to 0. (For all axises.)

Didn't work.

 

[Callahan]

yeah, let's say the object would be selectable everywhere.

No to select a model you must imperatively track over a mesh that is inside extents if a part of the mesh is outside extents then it won't be trackable but If extents are much larger than the model it won't do anything but making the engine calculating the model as if it was still on screen.

Oh I forgot to tell you, it would be a doodad lol. Selection makes no difference.

I Just want to be able to see it even if the center of the model is not on screen. For instance, If I were to add alpha to all of the ground terrain then add a giant planet model below, unless I see the very center, none of the model would be visible. lol

EDIT: K, I took the 'rifleman' and went to it's 'model properties' in magos. There, I raised the maximum extent to 1000000 (I also tried 10000 and 100000) and it's minimum to 0. (For all axises.)

Didn't work.

You must enter a (large in that case) negative value to minimum extent.

 

[BlinkBoy]

No to select a model you must imperatively track over a mesh that is inside extents if a part of the mesh is outside extents then it won't be trackable but If extents are much larger than the model it won't do anything but making the engine calculating the model as if it was still on screen.

Sorry man but that is as false as pigs fly. The idea of using extents to control selection is so that the games doesn't have to compute hit tests, because computing hit-tests for concave meshes is a process that takes quite a lot and it's not practicle for an RTS.The game actually checks if you clicked inside the boxes created by the extents and if you did, it looks for the neardest hit according to screen-deph. However, meshes have their own extents but if he wants to make that effect through extents, he must edit both Animsation and geometry extents.

The only way that perhaps could work with extents is if he makes Z coordinate of extents in both min and max, 0.0. This will make any overlapping dooded have a higher priority of selection than the terrain model.

 

[Mr. Bob]

SO! To be clear:

In order to be able to see my model's edges even though the camera is not showing the center, all I have to do is this:

Set make the maximum extent very large, and the minimum a negative of the maximum.

Correct?

 

[BlinkBoy]

try it, I don't garanty that it works. I, actually, doubt it will work, but well your say.

 

[Mr. Bob]

try it, I don't garanty that it works. I, actually, doubt it will work, but well your say.

didn't work.

I tried -1000000 minimum and 1000000 maximum.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

try this one:

in your 3d app add a big cube over your model (it doesnt need to have a texture or materialchannel or whatever)
export it as .mdx
open the .mdx in magos and delete the unmapped cube via geoset editing...
will this help?

 

[Mr. Bob]

Didn't work lol.

EDIT: Oops, i forgot to delete the geo. lol. Trying again.

 

[BlinkBoy]

Giving it a second thought, no method you use will work. The reason is because: wc3 only loads the model once it's object center is revealed in fog. You could try it with a corrupt model of large proportions, until you reveal where the unit/dooded is located, wc3 won't load the model.

 

[Mr. Bob]

Giving it a second thought, no method you use will work. The reason is because: wc3 only loads the model once it's object center is revealed in fog. You could try it with a corrupt model of large proportions, until you reveal where the unit/dooded is located, wc3 won't load the model.

So, in other words, nothing I do will work. Unless, of course, I did something illegal. lol.

Ah well. So much for my massive real time space model.

 

[Kwaliti]

Why don't you fragment it into several pieces? It would be a great alternative.

 

[Mr. Bob]

Why don't you fragment it into several pieces? It would be a great alternative.

Good point. But, if my model is a sphere, it is going to be a pain, and about 30 times the filesize. XD But, for terrain, that would work.