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Possibility to have 4mb .gif avatar?

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In the most extreme case, that'd mean 20*4mib = 80mib of avatars. :thinking:
You guys have to look at the grand scheme of things, and downloading 80 mib of avatars to view a single page of a thread is definitely far away from reasonableland.
 
chobibo said:
You don't need 50 MB for that, mine's 60kb according to pyf.
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23.1 KB actually, because it is the 96x96 animated GIF seen in threads

nedio95 said:
If you give somebody epileptic shock with your avatar, can they sue you? Or the website? There is no warning on the website saying "Watch out you unlucky buggers who could die by looking at some cool images." or if you write it on your posts/signatures/avatar it would be like too late... [...]
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"Watch out you unlucky buggers who could die by looking at some cool images."

Battling Seizure Robots
Thirty Minutes over Tokyo - Wikipedia

:mwahaha:

 
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Selaya said:
A page of a thread may contain up to 20 posts.
In the most extreme case, that'd mean 20*4mib = 80mib of avatars. :thinking:
You guys have to look at the grand scheme of things, and downloading 80 mib of avatars to view a single page of a thread is definitely far away from reasonableland.
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It is important to know that even if you upload a 4mb file the avatar displayed will not be 4mb large.
All my avatars are 200x200 but but the image shown next my posts is only 100x100

If we simplify reality a bit and assume this means half the file size.. it means that it'd be 2mb per post instead of 4.
Still not good, but better.

So if the limit was increased to 1mb, a thread has 20 (unique) posters which is 10mb in total, which I can get in one second with my internet.
And it is a onetime thing since image caching is a thing in modern browsing.

Still, this is unrealistic. Everyone in a thread will not have a limit sized avatar even if it was allowed
 
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Chaosy said:
It is important to know that even if you upload a 4mb file the avatar displayed will not be 4mb large.
All my avatars are 200x200 but but the image shown next my posts is only 100x100

If we simplify reality a bit and assume this means half the file size.. it means that it'd be 2mb per post instead of 4.
Still not good, but better.
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Wrong. The file size of some animated GIFs may increase when converted for display in threads.


Quoting myself from the previous page:
pyf said:
Now folks, get ready for some counter-intuitive numbers:

Shar Dundred's blue avatar (animated GIF, 33 images):
- on his profile: 125x125, 206 KB
- in forum posts: 96x96, 368 KB (!)

Shar Dundred's pink avatar (animated GIF, 25 images):
- on his profile: 115x180, 230 KB
- in forum posts: 96x96, 278 KB (!)

Hmm... Looks like the optimization process of converting *some* animated GIF files to 96x96, may increase their file size in the process. This is imho counter-productive, resources-wise.
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80 mib'd be the maximum extreme worst case, but I'm repeating myself here
ghostwolf's reckoning of 50mib is probably more accurate on average, rng distribution and yadda dadda blablah y'know
 
pyf said:
Now folks, get ready for some counter-intuitive numbers:

Shar Dundred's blue avatar (animated GIF, 33 images):
- on his profile: 125x125, 206 KB
- in forum posts: 96x96, 368 KB (!)

Shar Dundred's pink avatar (animated GIF, 25 images):
- on his profile: 115x180, 230 KB
- in forum posts: 96x96, 278 KB (!)

Hmm... Looks like the optimization process of converting *some* animated GIF files to 96x96, may increase their file size in the process. This is imho counter-productive, resources-wise.
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Ralle's avatar (animated GIF with transparent color, 94 images):
- on his profile: 100x100, 122 KB
- in forum posts: 96x96, 917 KB (!)

:hohum:
 
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Dr Super Good said:
If anything the limit should be lowered. I would recommend a maximum of 32kb for an avatar image. This would especially help mobile users, or anyone not using a high speed internet connection.
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Also, we should make the entire site black and white.
Some graphic cards might handle colors very well

And while we are at it, 6 characters max per username because too many characters might lag some people's computer when trying to process that many characters
 
Chaosy said:
Also, we should make the entire site black and white.
Some graphic cards might handle colors very well

And while we are at it, 6 characters max per username because too many characters might lag some people's computer when trying to process that many characters
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What does this have to do with avatar file size?!

The background and text reuse common files. Per page background is like 1kb or less. User names on a page are also likely much less than 1kb. On the other hand some prick's animated GIF avatar might be 4MB under this stupid proposal, dwarfing the size of content actually used to compose the page.
 
Chaosy said:
Also, we should make the entire site black and white.
Some graphic cards might handle colors very well

And while we are at it, 6 characters max per username because too many characters might lag some people's computer when trying to process that many characters
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That would be cool, white text over black background, though I doubt it will save any bytes since background color can be controlled via css. I get your point though, not disagreeing.
 
Dr Super Good said:
If anything the limit should be lowered. I would recommend a maximum of 32kb for an avatar image. This would especially help mobile users, or anyone not using a high speed internet connection.
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On the other hand I like this more :|

Btw, what exactly is the current avatar size limit ?
I just tested and uploaded a 300kb while @Shar Dundred suggested that it is 244.1kb... Is that only for GIFs ?
If yes, why is there X limit on GIFs and Y on jpeg/static images (while X < Y) ?

regards
-Ned
 
Very unlikely that you'd be able to reproduce this behavior where a resized version would be worth more bytes than the original one in anything but an animated gif; probably just a quirk/inefficiency of the imagick resizer
 
More case studies:

PurgeandFire's avatar (animated GIF, 126 images):
- on his profile: 96x72, 51.7 KB (has transparent color)
- in forum posts: 96x96, 352 KB (!) (does not have transparent color)

BlueSaint's avatar (animated GIF, 24 images):
- on his profile: 100x100, 12.8 KB
- in forum posts: 96x96, 51.1 KB (!)
 
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I am not comfortable with raising the limit.

I'd rather go for adding support for WebP. A much superior animated image format. The only problem is that Chrome is the only supported browser so far.

Regardless, I am knee deep in house stuff and moving Hive to XF2. Both projects take precedence over this as I don't find it very essential.
 
which potentially creates fifteen million security issues right there
also, its not the servers bandwidth that we're worried about but the users', and it doesnt matter whence your users have to fetch those files from
 
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Actually you do not need to store images on the server.
Websites can use external links.
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@Chaosy: *cough!* Photobucket *cough!*


Quoting Wikipedia:
"As of June 30, 2017, Photobucket dropped its free hosting service, and requires a US$99 annual subscription to allow external linking to all hosted images, or a US$399 annual subscription to allow the embedding of images on third-party websites, such as personal blogs and forums. This policy change, enacted with no advance notice, has been highly controversial. As a result, users who previously relied on Photobucket to freely host content embedded on forums, blogs, and websites must either pay the annual subscription (previously there was no charge), or switch to another 3rd party server and recreate every link (potentially thousands) for every photo previously linked to Photobucket."
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Photobucket - Wikipedia
 
More or less.
I am just denying the silly reasons.

So what if I website stops working? yes it is inconvenient for a day but switch website in such an event and everything is back to normal.
If you link something with the IMG tag it does not get uploaded to hive, I do not see why it would be such a big deal if the same was true for avatars.

Just saying that "WE DO NOT HAVE SPACE" is a BS reason, there and more valid ones which were brought up before. As Selaya pointed out, the download size itself is the problem not where you get it from.
 
Chaosy said:
[...] Just saying that "WE DO NOT HAVE SPACE" is a BS reason, there and more valid ones which were brought up before. As Selaya pointed out, the download size itself is the problem not where you get it from.
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*Everything* matters.

Btw and maybe just for the sake of being annoying, has anyone noticed how the security padlock on the Forums page may get half-broken on occasion, when one uses the XUL version of Imagus? This happens to me with Pale moon (fork/build for Windows XP by roytam1). I am guessing it is because maybe Imagus is preloading at least one image from a non-https third-party site?
@Ralle
 
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