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Physical walls? Shuckle does the trick ;)
Also, Snorlax is a good physical wall when he gets the Curse off

@Joe-black-5: Truer words have never been spoken lolz
Although Shuckle is a good exception, as he can Toxic stall the fuck out of most Pokemon
Although he does get raped hard in the ass by Metagross. Every time. Meteor Mash shits me off so much lolz
 
OH, I almost completely forgot about Aggron lol
There are others that are better (I say this because Aggron IS 4x weak to both Ground AND Fighting, which is pretty poor for a Physical Wall to be weak to such types, but regardless...), but I created a set for Aggron that, when set up correctly at the right time, can rape almost any team.
Basically, you want to get a Substitute off while the opponent has something that won't work against Aggron out. Then you can do one of 2 things. One is you can Toxic stall the opponent if they don't have anything to use against your Aggron. The other is you can go on an all out offensive, destroying the switch in with either Focus Punch or Head Smash. The plus side? The switch in will most likely be good against Aggron, so rape away ;)
 
Pyritie, I also mentioned Aggron ;)
As for some other Physical Walls, Steelix, Bronzong and Dusknoir are also all good options.
Dusknoir is very versatile, too, as it has equal stats in both Defense AND Special Defense, so you can raise it either way you want ;)
Additionally, Dusknoir is immune to the Fighting and Normal types, both very physical types.
And finally, Dusknoir can Sub-punch, Will-O-Wisp and do whatever else the hell you want on the offensive ;)

Btw, Dusknoir and Bronzong can go very well together. I'm talking about Trick Room teams. Deliberately get the slower Pokemon, so you go first with Trick Room. Bronzong benefits the most from this due to Gyro Ball ;)
So would other slow Pokemon with Gyro Ball, but you get my drift ;)
Also Machamp, Slowking and other slow Pokemon instantly own in Trick Room ;)
 
ooh bastiodon :0

so this is what I got:

lanturn (type coverage) with heal bell
physical blaziken (type coverage)
flinchkiss
blissey (healer and general annoyer)
azelf for lead maybe
and then the phys tank

so either bastiodon or aggron - probably the latter

EDIT: oh but steelix learns crunch and I could do with the anti-psychic support - got wiped by an espeon last time >__>
 
(1) Well, Imo in a 1v1 fight between a shuckle and Steelix (same ev, level, nature etc.) that the steelix would emerge victorious for 2 simple reasons:

A. A normal shuckle tactic is to use toxic as his aggresive move - poison attacks don't work vs steel type

B. Shuckle, sure will stall for ages, but so can Steelix eventually it'll probably end in a 'struggle fight' inwhich shuckles lower amount fo attack power and hp would lose him the fight.

(2) However Shuckle may win because:

A. If the owner of the shuckle is wise, he will have defence boosting moves and save them for the stuggle fight that will enevitably arrive, therefore allowing him to win the battle.

B. The owner of the Steelix may be an idiot.

/me puts down pen and raises hand to tell the teacher that he has completed the work
 
Uhh.... you know, shuckle has absolutely no attack which deals normal damage(1x) to steelix, I am talking about without VMs and TMs, but Steelix on the other side has iron tail (good damage), crunch, and of course his stone attacks which are ALL very effective against shuckle (same for his steel attacks), he will obviously win because of the MUCH more aggressive attacks... shuckle has maybe 1 or 2 attacks, which are all completely UNEFFECTIVE.... ^^
 
@Redscores: Well, you are forgetting EQ, but even then, Shuckle is just too pathetic to actually win in a fight that requires brute force. But when it comes to Toxic Stalling and setting up Stealth Rock (and even using Encore if you really want ;D), he's your man :3

As for Pyritie's party, I wouldn't reccomend forgetting Shuckle entirely, but you must consider what kind of physical wall you want. Like, do you want one that can cause damage, or just one that can Toxic Stall anyone? If you really want, you can Toxic stall with Aggron, but you must keep in mind that his Special Defense is his main downfall ;)
However, he can also deal a shitload of damage given the right situation ;)
 
@Redscores: Well, you are forgetting EQ, but even then, Shuckle is just too pathetic to actually win in a fight that requires brute force. But when it comes to Toxic Stalling and setting up Stealth Rock (and even using Encore if you really want ;D), he's your man :3

As for Pyritie's party, I wouldn't reccomend forgetting Shuckle entirely, but you must consider what kind of physical wall you want. Like, do you want one that can cause damage, or just one that can Toxic Stall anyone? If you really want, you can Toxic stall with Aggron, but you must keep in mind that his Special Defense is his main downfall ;)
However, he can also deal a shitload of damage given the right situation ;)

well I also have a blissey who is the special wall
 
Lanturn - surf, thunderbolt, ice beam, heal bell (volt absorb)
Blaziken - blaze kick (will learn something better, another physical fire move), double kick (same here but a physical fighting move), aerial ace, earthquake
Togekiss - Air slash, extrasensory, roost, aura sphere (serene grace) (would have it learn thunder wave but I like the extrasensory - it also has a 60% flinch rate)
Blissey - softboiled, seismic toss, wish, toxic (getting this one ingame might be tricky though)
Azelf - uh the standard lead one maybe with a slight modification... haven't thought much about it yet
and then the other wall

EDIT: oh right, items

well blaziken's holding a muscle band
and the togekiss is holding a king's rock
the others I don't know
 
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Blaziken should change Double Kick with Sky Uppercut or Brick Break. Although Double Kick is a decent move if you know when to use it. And there's no alternative to Blaze Kick. Just Fire Punch, which deals less damage.
 
Woah, Togekiss with King's Rock would be awesome if it outsped more opponents :O
Trouble is, it doesn't :p
Reminds me of one time when I owned a Togekiss with 1 Nasty Plotted Flamethrower from my Infernape. Made the opponent rage quit lol

Now, for your team. It appears you have a lot of attackers, which is great. As for the Azelf being undecided, here's a list of things I notice:
1) It seems to beat Infernape in every aspect that makes Inernape desirable in a team.
2) It can learn Nasty Plot. This is good for implementing my Infernape Lead's strategy.
3) It only has one element (as opposed to Infernape's two being Fire/Fighting), meaning less STAB.
4) It doesn't learn any first priority moves. Even though you might argue that Azelf's speed is good enough to beat most anything that will counter it, pokemon such as Ninjask will outspeed you. They will X-Scissor you. But probably not until they get a few Speed Boosts first :3. Then there's the Choice Scarfers. Gotta watch out for those. My Choice Scarfed Gliscor could easily outspeed Azelf and destroy it using X-Scissor.

And that's just at a glance. I've never actually used Azelf, but here's what I think.
It could use Nasty Plot with Focus Sash, and then exploit its great attacking stats with a combination of Psychic, Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Energy Ball, Explosion and Nasty Plot, or you could replace Explosion with another attack option, but that probably wouldn't be advised for one reason. Despite you outspeeding my Infernape, my Infernape would actually win that battle. Why? I would use Flamethrower. You would either use Nasty Plot (in which case your Focus Sash would not work anymore, anyway) or you would go straight for an attack as well, which would active Blaze, ensuring that you get left with 1% HP (due to Azelf's low defensive skills). Then I would be able to finish you off with Vacuum Wave ;)

An alternative would be the Utility pokemon you so sorely need. Which is basically the smogon lead set. With a few tweaks it could be better, but anyway ;P

Now, for your Physical Wall. Why did I go through all that for a completely different Pokemon to what you were asking about? Well, it all depends on that Pokemon, really. Let's face it, you need another Utility Pokemon. Blissey is there to Toxic Stall and use Wish, Lanturn can use Heal Bell, but who would do anything like Stealth Rock, Spikes or even Toxic Spikes? Well, you could use Foretress for that as well as Rapid Spin, but that's about all Foretress is good for. You could use Shuckle as a mass Defensive wall and get off the SR, but I don't know if you can quite handle Metagross with Blaziken alone.
Then there's options like Steelix and Golem, but I don't reccomend them because they are incredibly weak against Special attacks (meaning that mixed attackers would love your stallers). Same applies to Aggron. However, you might find Heatran to be, although a little lower in the Defensive skills, better suited to your needs? It can learn Stealth Rock, use Substitute if you really want, and it can also deal a good amount of damage with Fire Blast, Explosion, Earth Power, whatever.

But perhaps that isn't what you're after? I'll think about it a bit more, but I'm having a tough time choosing here :p
 
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I think the Lake Guardians are more of "Novelty" Pokemon although having decent stats. The Three Dragons are obviously better choices. And, if I'm not mistaken Py, you're playing HG/SS yes? Now that your Uni Friend lets you borrow his Arceus, you can go to Sinjoh and make any of Giratina, Dialga, or Plakia (JUST ONE OF THEM). Train Giratina to 50s or 60s, Profit!

Also, can anyone help me? I'm going to give my Palkia a TM containing a Water-type Move. Which one should I choose? Water Pulse, Brine, Surf, or Waterfall?
 
Now, for your team. It appears you have a lot of attackers, which is great. As for the Azelf being undecided, here's a list of things I notice:
1) It seems to beat Infernape in every aspect that makes Inernape desirable in a team.
2) It can learn Nasty Plot. This is good for implementing my Infernape Lead's strategy.
3) It only has one element (as opposed to Infernape's two being Fire/Fighting), meaning less STAB.
4) It doesn't learn any first priority moves. Even though you might argue that Azelf's speed is good enough to beat most anything that will counter it, pokemon such as Ninjask will outspeed you. They will X-Scissor you. But probably not until they get a few Speed Boosts first :3. Then there's the Choice Scarfers. Gotta watch out for those. My Choice Scarfed Gliscor could easily outspeed Azelf and destroy it using X-Scissor.
I was mostly going for this set: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/azelf (the first one)

And that's just at a glance. I've never actually used Azelf, but here's what I think.
It could use Nasty Plot with Focus Sash, and then exploit its great attacking stats with a combination of Psychic, Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Energy Ball, Explosion and Nasty Plot, or you could replace Explosion with another attack option, but that probably wouldn't be advised for one reason. Despite you outspeeding my Infernape, my Infernape would actually win that battle. Why? I would use Flamethrower. You would either use Nasty Plot (in which case your Focus Sash would not work anymore, anyway) or you would go straight for an attack as well, which would active Blaze, ensuring that you get left with 1% HP (due to Azelf's low defensive skills). Then I would be able to finish you off with Vacuum Wave ;)

An alternative would be the Utility pokemon you so sorely need. Which is basically the smogon lead set. With a few tweaks it could be better, but anyway ;P
I'm not quite sure how to repond to that, but okay!

Now, for your Physical Wall. Why did I go through all that for a completely different Pokemon to what you were asking about? Well, it all depends on that Pokemon, really. Let's face it, you need another Utility Pokemon. Blissey is there to Toxic Stall and use Wish, Lanturn can use Heal Bell, but who would do anything like Stealth Rock, Spikes or even Toxic Spikes? Well, you could use Foretress for that as well as Rapid Spin, but that's about all Foretress is good for.
Can shuckle learn any of those?
You could use Shuckle as a mass Defensive wall and get off the SR, but I don't know if you can quite handle Metagross with Blaziken alone.
Plus metagross has psychic which > blaziken
Then there's options like Steelix and Golem, but I don't reccomend them because they are incredibly weak against Special attacks (meaning that mixed attackers would love your stallers). Same applies to Aggron. However, you might find Heatran to be, although a little lower in the Defensive skills, better suited to your needs? It can learn Stealth Rock, use Substitute if you really want, and it can also deal a good amount of damage with Fire Blast, Explosion, Earth Power, whatever.
maybe :0

I think the Lake Guardians are more of "Novelty" Pokemon although having decent stats. The Three Dragons are obviously better choices. And, if I'm not mistaken Py, you're playing HG/SS yes? Now that your Uni Friend lets you borrow his Arceus, you can go to Sinjoh and make any of Giratina, Dialga, or Plakia (JUST ONE OF THEM). Train Giratina to 50s or 60s, Profit!
yeah, got the giratina since it's the only way to get the origin forme in HG/SS

Also, can anyone help me? I'm going to give my Palkia a TM containing a Water-type Move. Which one should I choose? Water Pulse, Brine, Surf, or Waterfall?
well, is palkia physical or special? I'm assuming special so you'd do surf. Water pulse is pretty meh compared to surf
 
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I joined the new invasion. :D
Its hard to choose for my favorites Arcanine - Aggron - Skarmory - Charizard - Gengar, but I liek dogz.

Heh. I had worse.
Kabuto, Kabutops, Mewtwo, Umbreon, Unown, Skarmory, Raikou, Entei, Lairon, Aggron, Rayquaza, Staraptor, Luxray, Gallade, Giratina, and Darkrai. Chosen Giratina in the end.


And LoLed on Lunatone. Metagross looked like that anime character that Zerox once used as an avatar here.
 
Done, I had to go through a long time to choose it though, for me it was a choice between (as far as fav pokemon go)
Wailord, Arbok, Agrron, Steelix, Starmie, gyarados, shedinja, ninjask, Gengar, Salamence, Metagross, Craydilly, Shuppet, Gengar, Skorupi, Ampharos, Raichu, Leadian, Meowth, Sandshrew, Heatran, Dragonair, The list goes on.

I think i may have too many favs, Anyway I ended up going with ninjask cos I always thought he was kewl and like a ninja.
 
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