Operating System Debate

[Draknyte1]

hate how u moved tho... u had to clcik move then move...

 

[Deathcom3s]

Alright guys, keep the discussion on topic.

 

[The World Is Flat]

yes... well i have stated my point...

 

[Draknyte1]

i like mac but still prefer windows...
windows 95 is reliable?

 

[Deathcom3s]

XP seems to be the most stable OS by MS right now.

Though what most people don't realize is that XP was actually quite a bit like Vista in regards to bugs, and didn't become as stable as it is now till MS took the time to patch it up.

 

[Draknyte1]

95 second edition is the most reliable ever...
No bugs and it runs most software and has great support for hardware.

 

[Deathcom3s]

95 second edition is the most reliable ever...
No bugs and it runs most software and has great support for hardware.

Pretty sure 95 doesn't have support for my 9500GT, though i could be wrong.

 

[The World Is Flat]

hmm that would be nice

 

[Draknyte1]

the second edition does...

 

[Gilles]

1200$ for the 13 inch Pro (less if you want a normal macbook, but they're still made out to be much more expensive than they actually are), and you get an iPod Touch thrown in if you're a student. Besides, you get what you pay for.

Of course, but I hate tiny screens, and I can't afford quality. If I go to school one of these days (or years I suppose) I'll splurge and get a Macbook.

 

[PurplePoot]

Large screens on laptops are overrated. I'm glad I picked the 13'' and not a bigger model--it could be quite awkward to carry around if it was much larger.

 

[syltman]

I've tried Ubuntu 8.04, Ubuntu 9.04, Windows 7, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Mac OS X leopard.

I have to say Ubuntu 9.04 was best becouse it has the sweet tools of a mac and it's the fastest OS of them all from my POW. I feel that the mac OS X is really annoying to use if you want to just mess around with it. However I do use Windows since I need it for gaming. If I didn't need Windows I'd use Ubuntu 9.04.

 

[Eleandor]

wine?

 

[syltman]

wine?

Wont do. For instance Wc3 world editor works like crap.

 

[xp3r009]

Woah... This thread has gone really hot. One day I post a first post about his points and I thought it was ignored so I decided to show the thread is being noticed. The next day more posts are coming, and so is more today.


Its amusing how one post can cause many, probably because of it being the latest post. Ricardo sure put a thread where it can be arguable in many ways .

 

[The World Is Flat]

Large screens on laptops are overrated. I'm glad I picked the 13'' and not a bigger model--it could be quite awkward to carry around if it was much larger.

Yes, but only slightly, they make plenty of carrying cases for larger laptops and such so it's not a huge deal... thae only laptop you wouldn't want to carry is my brother's 24-pound 18-inch alienware gaming laptop... lare screens are not, over rated... ever play oblivion on max-settings on an 18-inch? if you have then you would know...

 

[Deathcom3s]

Woah... This thread has gone really hot. One day I post a first post about his points and I thought it was ignored so I decided to show the thread is being noticed. The next day more posts are coming, and so is more today.


Its amusing how one post can cause many, probably because of it being the latest post. Ricardo sure put a thread where it can be arguable in many ways .

It doesn't help that Ricardo's points were VERY biased.

 

[PurplePoot]

Ricardo doesn't even really have points.

 

[Gilles]

There were a few in there. Somewhat masked by heavy subjectivity though.

 

[Deathcom3s]

- Buggy.

Depends on which version of Windows you're talking about.

- Made by Micro$oft (founded in 06/06/06), a money-grabbing corporation.

What company out there isn't a money grabbing corporation?

- Bad interface, and dull. Screenshots of WE in tutorials made by PC owners have terrible borders in stuff such as trigger editor.

Honestly, what do Triggers in WE have to do with the interface?

- The abomination, called Vista.

XP was no better in the early years of it's release.

- WTF? MS is making Windows games require yearly payment for online play? Haha .

I have no idea where you got that fact...

- Worse updates, slower.

What? Please clarify

- Its slowly losing the war.

Last i saw, it's still winning, but yes, it is losing momentum.

- Bill Gates is gone, so the devils have lost the leader. [Bill sounds and looks alright, actually, but thats called Propaganda]

Bill Gates is a respectable member of society, how dare you call him the leader of some pack of demons.

- Java does not come automatically with Windows, anymore.

Is it that hard to google and download yourself?

- The disgusting monster known as "MS Paint".

Yeah, because MS REALLY focuses on releasing commercial quality photo-editing software with Windows...

+ Get more games and WE tools, in exchange for your soul.

I still have my soul, thank you very much.

Yeah, he's VERY biased...

 

[HFR]

Agreed. I'll not quote every point he said because I think almost the same as Eleandor and Deathcom3s.

Those points are mainly stereotypes:

Microsoft: The evil and money addicted company.
Apple: The "cool" and friendly corporation.
Linux: It's free.

But, as the subject are the systems, people usually think that, as the system being manufactured by the "evil corporation", it's bad and buggy. And, as the"cool company" makes the Mac, well, they are cool, so, let's use them.

Those points aren't more than purely vague stereotypes, that a lot of people say just to look important and because "it's fighting the greedy corporations".

Forget all of this and give your points based at your experiences and opinnions instead of a random hippie forum where you found these things.

 

[Deathcom3s]

Apple: The "cool" and friendly corporation.

Maddox has this to say, lol;

Stupid user base aside, I will never own a Mac. It's not so much that I'm a PC loyalist. I'm not. It's that I'm not stylish enough to own one. Most iPod commercials feature guys with long hair, chicks roller skating, and guys wearing fedoras. I have dandruff, and I buy most of my jeans from a grocery store. I feel like in order to have a Mac, I need to be:

# An artist.
# In a band.
# Unemployed (see above).

Yeah... lol

 

[HFR]

That's what I'm saying, lol.

Of course, you don't need to be "cool" to have a Mac, but, anyway...

 

[Ricardo Irving]

Vista got some bugs, XP not so much. About 90% of the XP bugs I see are driver related, i.e. it's not really windows' fault.

so? How is that a pro or a con? I mean, in the end even Blizzard's main purpose is making money. Does that make them a bad company? As if steve jobs doesn't do it for the money.

Yeah, but Microsoft takes it to a new level: Valve wanted to put Portal and TF2 on Marketplace for free: MS made them pay. Theres more to this.

pff... I still use '98 windows look and I think the Mac interface is just "bling bling" for noobs.

Typical American: NOOB NOOB NOOB! Hey, aren't WE the ones who have to trudge through MPQ files using an extractor, while you are in luxury with fancy viewers. Pffft yourself.

Windows is more than vista alone. There's still XP and from what I've heard windows 7 is pretty stable. Bottom line is: there's tons of unix based systems too, and I'm sure some of them are just as buggy as vista.
The thing is: vista still is based on NT technologies for a really large part. It's only the new interface that slows down the operating system a lot. I reverted back to '98 look (like always) and it runs just as smooth as xp. I still like XP more, but I think saying vista sucks balls is a bit exagerated.

Tell that to loads of people. Ok, but Vista is still Windows, XP is more buggy then Mac, but it is still stable.

And? This is totally unrelated to the operating systems, and thus not an argument for your debate.

Yeah, it is.

no clue what you mean

And? If windows was so bad, it would have never achieved the near-monopoly they have now, wouldn't they? It's not about winning or losing, is it?

Macs are becoming more of the market.

How is this related to the OS debate?

How is this related to the OS debate?

How is this related to the OS debate? It's not the main priority for an operating system to provide totally irrelevant image editing software. IMO software like windows media player, paint or msn shouldn't even be part of the operating system and be downloaded or bought separately, simply because they're programs, not operating systems. Buy photoshop if you care so much.

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Yeah it is! I do have Photoshop.

>> I totally disagree. I Couldn't work in an abonimation like that in my entire life.

I know, you couldn't work in Windows your entire life. Look at your post.

That's only because mac OS only works on a real mac computer, which has been assembled for you. You buy a package, you can't choose your own components.

Thats because they are already good enough. I'll buy a terrabyte PC later...

irrelevant argument

So? Java is software, and does not belong with an operating system package. I'd rather choose my own vm than just pick the one my operating system has on default. Same like software as windows media player: you get rid of it anyway so you use your own and better media player. I mean, really, is there *anyone* who uses windows media player or apple quick time?

Haha, it does come with Mac and I think Linux, + it does not come with PC. ***sob***.

Yeah, this argument obviously beats everything.

Haha, hell yeah!

How can you open an OS debate if you don't know any unix based system other than the mac os...

Thats bullshit. I've had loads of experience with XP.

Bah, I still have to see the first reason why that would be. Maybe because most unix systems come with the GNU g++ compiler on default, but really, it's not that much trouble to get yourself a good IDE in windows such as bloodshed dev++ or visual studio, which also comes with a compiler. Maybe it's because most unix systems come with kate and gedit and other syntax highlight programs, but again: there are plenty of free windows IDE's.

Another con for os X is that it only works on macs (unless you go mess a lot and end up with an unstable os x running on a pc). At least pc's can run any operating system. The fact that you have to get a mac if you want to use OSX makes apple more of a money grabbling company than microsoft...

The main part of an operating system is the kernel, with resource management as its main goal. Any blabla about applications that come with an OS on default or blabla about the interface is nothing more than blabla.

IMO windows NT is not such a bad kernel in the end. If your system suddenly becomes unstable, chances are you did something stupid, and you screwed things up, not the OS. I mean, don't worry, it's not hard at all to screw up a mac either.
I prefer windows right now. None of the OS'es stand above any other OS with head and shoulders. Unless a new OS with significant advantages is made, windows is still the best for me, because most programs have been developed with windows in mind.

I'll be the first to switch to a better OS. That is, when a truly better OS is ever made.

Some valid points, but some wrong points.

 

[Deathcom3s]

Thats bullshit. I've had loads of experience with XP.

I'm pretty sure XP isn't Unix based... Go learn your computer software before you start making stupid points like this...

Some valid points, but some wrong points.

Do you even know what a kernel is? Do you even know what an IDE is? Seriously, learn your specs before you say stupid things like this.

 

[Ricardo Irving]

Learn to spend time before you make an opinion about someone.

 

[The World Is Flat]

I must say; most of your points don't have to do with the OS at all, this is a OS debate.
The Abomination known as MS paint. MS is not trying to make a photoshop its an OS... and how does the fact that YOU have a Photoshop program effect the OS that MS made? i have to say that contrary to your opinion, I agree with somguy and Deathcom3s about most things here...

 

[Eleandor]

Yeah, but Microsoft takes it to a new level: Valve wanted to put Portal and TF2 on Marketplace for free: MS made them pay. Theres more to this.

That's not even remotely related to operating systems, you're talking about corporations here. And be damn sure that apple is just as much in it for the money. Look at their advertising and try to convince yourself that they're not spending tons of money on using crappy arguments to make artists and unemployed persons buy a mac?

nvm, reading the rest of your post you obviously are a troll with no computerknowledge whatsoever. You suck, I rock, get a life or maybe suicide, it'll make the world a much better place. Thank you, retard.

Learn to spend time before you make an opinion about someone.

Oh yeah, look who's talking. I'm crushing your puny arguments because they're puny, and instead of debating and trying to come up with non-biased and non-retarded arguments, you just call me names? Nice way of forming an opinion, retard. At least poot gives some good arguments, you're just a dumb fucker.

Have I mentioned you're a retard?

P.s. I'm flaming to get this thread that "claims" to be a "debate" locked. It's useless, and full of useless posts that will eventually end up in a flamewar anyway, if I don't start it.

 

[PurplePoot]

Apple (iPhone apps, for example) and Microsoft (need I say more?) are both money-happy, let's face it. This has nothing to do with the quality of thier OSes. However, I like how Apple seems to at least put more effort into supporting their customers.

 

[The World Is Flat]

MS puts plenty of effort into it... its just that they are now too big to provide individualized support.

 

[Deathcom3s]

Hm, the next person who flames will be given negrep and the thread will be locked.

MS does at least try to offer support, but there are so many users out there nowadays it's next to impossible to give them all the support they need.

 

[Gilles]

Apple (iPhone apps, for example) and Microsoft (need I say more?) are both money-happy, let's face it. This has nothing to do with the quality of thier OSes. However, I like how Apple seems to at least put more effort into supporting their customers.

I don't think one company is "nicer" than the other. Their both out to make money, and will do what it takes to make it.

Pretty much unrelated and off-topic, but I bet Bill Gates is a much nicer man than Steve Jobs. Jobs has pulled some real dirt bag moves in his career.

 

[Deathcom3s]

Yeah, you don't hear about Steve Jobs donating his fortune to various charities...

 

[xp3r009]

MS puts plenty of effort into it... its just that they are now too big to provide individualized support.

I would agree on this, especially on their massive works and many of their documentation's. They would be too busy, and probably they would need more hiring staff to make some support I guess.

I wouldn't blame Microsoft for their lack on things due to their intentions, I can see many using Windows these days. Its really hard to keep everything intact when your helping everyone at once.

 

[PurplePoot]

Jobs is a megalomaniacal ass, but he knows he has to do a good deal for the users to get there.

 

[xp3r009]

Jobs is a megalomaniacal ass, but he knows he has to do a good deal for the users to get there.

Also, I would like to add that I use other support websites to help me so that I can get the help. Microsoft is too busy these days, on a big business to satisfy many.

Windows XP is good by me, I'm already satisfied. I wonder what Windows 7 would be?

 

[Draknyte1]

What company out there isn't a money grabbing corporation?

Teh ppl who make Ubuntu\kubuntu\Xubuntu\Mythbuntu\edubuntu\Server edition and all the others...

 

[Ricardo Irving]

Hm, the next person who flames will be given negrep and the thread will be locked.

MS does at least try to offer support, but there are so many users out there nowadays it's next to impossible to give them all the support they need.

I am going to abandon this thread, as the moderators are making it very boring...

 

[xp3r009]

I am going to abandon this thread, as the moderators are making it very boring...

You've brought it up, and many of us (the public) can have a say, and it hasn't been much of debate but negativity, flaming, bias and facts not being used well. To make such a debate, it should have been organized much better with facts and the use of proper etiquette in a debate.

I agree with you, I wonder what we did wrong to turn it upside down?

 

[Ricardo Irving]

No, I'm talking about the autobot guy.

 

[xp3r009]

No, I'm talking about the autobot guy.

I would have thought this would have been a more useful and appropriate debate. I've done a couple of debates, you can't just instantly anger one severely even if you wanted to; a neutral concept would have been fine.


Evidence would have been useful too, and the first post was biased; not even a debate but just a argument. I don't think this debate is going well at all, and it seems acceptable to close if it does continue like this anyway.

 

[Ricardo Irving]

...well, I changed points a bit.

 

[xp3r009]

...well, I changed points a bit.

Good. I have seem some changes and they are not as biased as much as before, but is it possible to add some points for Linux (I haven't seem much of them, so I agree with you)?


Overall, this could make some acceptance for a good debate .

 

[Ricardo Irving]

Linux, I pretty much don't know anything about, other then that you can't play W3 on it, and that its open-source. Anyway, most people apparently think that I have no experience with Windows...Pffttt....I've had LOADS of experience with XP and 95. They probably haven't had any XP (geddit?) with Mac.

 

[xp3r009]

Linux, I pretty much don't know anything about, other then that you can't play W3 on it, and that its open-source. Anyway, most people apparently think that I have no experience with Windows...Pffttt....I've had LOADS of experience with XP and 95. They probably haven't had any XP (geddit?) with Mac.

Probably you could show some facts about it without bias, and I will probably agree with the Linux bit (I'm insufficient at that topic, haven't used it at all), I only used Mac slight times but only at my family-friends house; the interface confused me and the programs bored me but at least it had a nice gentle interface.


Good to see you have good experience with Windows, probably you could show it. Linux probably could do research through a search? By the way, I see that there seems to be many negatives for Windows while many positives for Macs.

 

[Ricardo Irving]

Ahhh, you were confused because:
1) New things confuse us all. Like playing Halo 3 (yeh...I have an Xbox 360, from Microsoft, creators of Windows, but its fucking awesome...) on a HD widescreen TV.
There are many negatives cause:
2) Hmm...I'm doing it more like a comparison. But anyway, no one has enough mixed experience on both PC and Mac as I do (maybe PurplePoot), so really, I know more then.
Bias:
3) Bias means you favor yourself. I am not an operating system which is one entity.
Linux:
4) Yeah, Linux is like a beta-beta, and probably 0.5% of users around here use Linux...

 

[Eleandor]

I have plenty of experience with lots of operating systems, including many unix based systems, linux only being one of those. Bottom line is: you start this "debate" by giving irrelevant arguments or arguments that aren't even arguments but are like "hey I liek mac, everyune should have some".

Every single reply you make is stupid. You're saying XP is unix based, and then claim you have lots of experience when everything you say is just false? You're jumping on conclusions like I've seen no-one do. I mean, you really don't have any fucking clue about what you're talking about... The more you try, the dumber the arguments.

 

[Ricardo Irving]

I didn't say XP was Unix based! Pfft...Gilles is corrupt, and will not ban the DFAs if they flame me...Didn't you see I'm updating my posts? Calm down, get a life, get some friends.

 

[The World Is Flat]

While i dissagree with Irving on some major points i have to say that Eleandor is flaming Irving

 

[Eleandor]

Ofcourse I am, I have nothing against debates but that guy doesn't have a clue.

How can you open an OS debate if you don't know any unix based system other than the mac os...

Thats bullshit. I've had loads of experience with XP.

His posts are full of this shit and he doesn't even admit it, so I don't even know why he *tries* to debate. It's either to troll, or to get people flame him or because he really is an idiot, in which case calling him an idiot can't be considered flaming, can it. Pick either of those 3 options, but they're all just as bad.