[General] negative item values don't seem to work?

[normalice]

For the boots of speed, for example, if you shift+click the value and make it negative, equipping it doesn't seem to slow down the carrier instead of speed them up. What's up with that?

 

[Ezekiel12]

See here.

 

[defskull]

SOME things in warcraft Object Editor just don't follow the value right-off-the-bat.
Things like movement speed becomes negative does not really slow down your unit's MS.

You either have to trigger it OR use buffs (in which I prefer trigger).

 

[jonhysone]

Why not use 'Boots of Unspeed' ( XD ) which has a passive ability of slowing down the carrier of the item

Is it that hard ?

 

[normalice]

Why not use 'Boots of Unspeed' ( XD ) which has a passive ability of slowing down the carrier of the item

Is it that hard ?

because there is no such item

 

[jonhysone]

because there is no such item

Lol I know , you can create one and give it slow ability

 

[defskull]

Tell me your item description, I'll try to make it.

 

[normalice]

Tell me your item description, I'll try to make it.

reduces speed by 10%

or (another item i'm working on)

increases armor by 1 and magic resistance by 5% for every 200 mana remaining to the hero.

 

[defskull]

1st item, what happen if the unit already has the boot, decided to pick up a new one ?
Is it -20% movement speed ?

For the 2nd item... if you have 1000 mana, you will have bonus of 5 armor and 25% magic resistance ?

 

[normalice]

yep (message too short)

 

[defskull]

I edited my post, re-read it (for 1st item).

EDITED:
I just remembered you can use Endurance Aura (Target: Self), and make it a negative value of -0.10 (-10%) movement speed.
So, there you go, your first item.
Remember to change the tooltip and what-not for the ability, because it shows up in your Status, you can write something like "There is a prize for taking these boots..." yadda yadda.

But if you want a stackable reduction of movement speed, trigger is the way, because aura does not stack.

 

[normalice]

I edited my post, re-read it (for 1st item).

oh, I'm not concerned with stacking. Preferably with no stacking, but whichever is easiest to implement - the 'ability' is what I'm interested in, which I would apply and remove with triggers.

 

[defskull]

Yet again, I edited my previous post (#11), check it.

 

[normalice]

alright, so why doesn't using a negative value for the speed boots work?

 

[defskull]

As I said, SOME things have its limitation and hard-coded.
Blizzard designed it that way, we can't argue with it.

 

[normalice]

oh, fair enough. I'll try the aura thing. Thanks :-D

 

[defskull]

I'm working on the 2nd item.
I made the ability with 15 level, at max, you will gain 15 armor and 75% magic resistance (because Hero has 25% natural magic resistance, so..).
Unless your Hero in your map has 0% natural magic resistance ?

 

[normalice]

how did you make it?

and no, they are just normal heros

 

[defskull]

Here's a test map.

 

[normalice]

Here's a test map.

pretty sweet. how did you get it to work?

You seem much more skilled than people usually are, so I'll present my entire problem to you.

Basically, I'm trying to rework the Naga's Mana Shield to increase armor/magic resistance for every 200/150/120 mana remaining to her. I was going to do this with triggers, but what you given me implies there's a way to simply make a new spell that does this. How did you do it? There is nothing in the "spell book" ability object that seems to detect remaining mana, that I can find. Please teach me this magic!

 

[defskull]

Which part you don't understand ?
The remaining mana ?
It was triggered lol, here;

• Set TempInt = ((Integer((Mana of TempUnit))) / (Integer(AS_BaseCondition)))

Let's say you have 3000 Mana, so TempInt (ability level) would be: 3000 / 200 = 15
So, Set the level of those ability to 15, which is +15 armor and +75% magic resistance.

Almost forgot, please remove this condition;

• (TempUnit is alive) Equal to True

Item sticks to the owner even if he dies.

 

[normalice]

Which part you don't understand ?
The remaining mana ?
It was triggered lol, here;

• Set TempInt = ((Integer((Mana of TempUnit))) / (Integer(AS_BaseCondition)))

Let's say you have 3000 Mana, so TempInt (ability level) would be: 3000 / 200 = 15
So, Set the level of those ability to 15, which is +15 armor and +75% magic resistance.

oh! lol. I didn't even look at the triggers..

 

[defskull]

Well, please remove that condition I told you (post #21).

You need to look at the triggers because you must set the correct variables in the setup trigger in your map.
My Object Editor ID is not same as yours, that's why you must read the trigger, especially the setup ones.

 

[normalice]

Well, please remove that condition I told you (post #21).

You need to look at the triggers because you must set the correct variables in the setup trigger in your map.
My Object Editor ID is not same as yours, that's why you must read the trigger, especially the setup ones.

will do. Since you seem a bit pro, I'll ask this as well: Do you have any idea how to increase the attack range for one unit?

 

[defskull]

As I have mentioned in your other thread, no.
You can have 2 unit of same type in your map ?

 

[normalice]

As I have mentioned in your other thread, no.
You can have 2 unit of same type in your map ?

well, not really. I'm trying to have searing arrow (for the PotM) increase her attack range as well. I don't know how well hero swaps work..

 

[defskull]

You're trying to make an autocast ability that can increases attack range ?
You've just answered your question, using Searing Arrow can make your attack range increase.

What's this "hero swaps" thingy ?

 

[normalice]

You're trying to make an autocast ability that can increases attack range ?
You've just answered your question, using Searing Arrow can make your attack range increase.

what? how?

What's this "hero swaps" thingy ?

oh, I thought you were suggesting that I make two of the same type of unit, but one with a higher range and then swap them out once the increased range is learned. Easy-ish for units, but for heroes, a bit more difficult..

 

[defskull]

You do know that Searing Arrow gives you Cast Range (which is the Attack Range) ?

Actually, how do you want to increase your Attack Range on your unit ?
Via ability ?
Upgrade ?

 

[normalice]

You do know that Searing Arrow gives you Cast Range (which is the Attack Range) ?

Actually, how do you want to increase your Attack Range on your unit ?
Via ability ?
Upgrade ?

from what I can tell, that attack range only applies to the ability itself. I want a potm to have an increased attack range if searing arrow is learned, even if it is deactivated.

 

[Ezekiel12]

I want a potm to have an increased attack range if searing arrow is learned, even if it is deactivated.

Increasing attack range has a long tradition of trial and error. The most clean solutions currently are using upgrades for a permanent change or using a passive transformation into another unit for temporary change. I believe there also exist whole attack systems which trigger those aspects but I think thats not something you want to import to your map.

 

[Vinz]

Just research an upgrade upon learning.