My Terrain sucks.. Help..?

[Chief-Oblivion]

Ok so i KNOW my terrain sucks but i don't know what to add to make it better.. any suggestions/help would be appreciated here it is

Terrain

The Passage Of Darkness ORPG

The Town

The Forest

The Shallows

The Farm

The Outlands

The Frozenlands

The Ruined City

The Demonic lands

The Citadel

 

[raid1000]

ehh ur right they do suck ^^
U need:
1. height variation
2. tile variation
3. vegetation
4. some other doodads its really empty

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

I have like.. NO imagination.. even if i knew what those meant i wouldnt be able to put it in my map.. =(

 

[Turminator8]

maybe this isn't for you... You really need to learn everything raid1000 said and you need to learn how to use the camera to create "illusions" so your terrain looks more interesting. Try making your camera look at a smaller space and spend a lot of time making that one area look good with lots of doodads and making the ground different tiles. Try looking at my terrains if it helps?

 

[~Void~]

I think you should get one of our eager up-and-coming terrainers like Raid1000 or CloudWolf to do terrain for you (they're really quite good) and then learn from their style. Don't ask me because I won't do it

 

[Turminator8]

yeah and not me cause I'm not one of em (yet )

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Lol.. I tried that.. i put out a request for help with terrain but noone even looked at the thread.. I would welcome ANYONE to do my terrain because like i said i KNOW damn well that i suck at terrain.. the only thing im good at are GUI abilities, and making units/items and stuff.. i'm also good at triggers.. period.. (well im not really GOOD at all of those but i am decent enough to get the job done..)

 

[LordDz]

SPEND TIME on it. Think how a castle for example looks, then recreate it. Think of how a forest looks, does a forest only contain trees or are there paths, mushrooms, dirt, shrub?

So dude.. Set your terrain back to 0 in your signature . No offence.

 

[thegreatsmite]

well, im not going to disagree with you...they suck hard cold eggs.... but, here what you can do

get rid of teh blizztard cliffs. and replace them with a raised land, and then add pathing blockers on them to make them unwalkable. patch the map with WE ulimited, so you can have like 1000 terrains and there correct clff tiles, so if you need to us blizztard cliffs, they'll at least match the terrain tile. (plus you get better trigger options ) and leanr how to palce doodads... you dont have nearly enough, and unless you live in teh magik world where everything floats, then you ned to lower your doodads. also, look into the UTM for doodads too. and teh terrain is too sharp, use the smooth tool...

spend actual time!!!!
GL

 

[seruk]

maybe this isn't for you... You really need to learn everything raid1000 said and you need to learn how to use the camera to create "illusions" so your terrain looks more interesting. Try making your camera look at a smaller space and spend a lot of time making that one area look good with lots of doodads and making the ground different tiles. Try looking at my terrains if it helps?

Dude, your terrain sucks. :S

 

[Grimmfang]

I love doing terrain, I could help you if you like!

 

[Turminator8]

Dude, your terrain sucks. :S

Your nice.

 

[Celaquil]

You are both acting extremely childish... Seruk, you shouldnt say that at all. His terrain doesnt "SUCK" their just lacking some improvemet. And Turminator8, you shouldnt get angry an swear like that at another member...

As for the terrains, alright, I'll give you this, you tried a failing way to make a terrain, now. Either you should improve, and listen to what people said, or you should ask someoen to do it for you. I would reccomend the first one of the two, since getting someone to do stuff for you isnt really all that easy...

 

[The_wand_mirror]

Dude as i said back in your other thread, what i was meaning is this.

You don't even seem to bother, a terrain doesn't need to be finished in one day (especially not of a whole ORPG map).

Just take your time man and try your best. If you lack fantasy then just look at terrain of others, look at pictures of landscapes from games or reality and just try to combine them or something!

And everything stated above =p

 

[Gilles]

Dude, your terrain sucks. :S

Perhaps some advice would make him better, no? Besides, he already knew that (referring to the title), say something useful next time.

Your nice, and my terrain doesn't suck so STFU.
(I never said it was epic or anything but I'm sure its better than this)

This wasn't even aimed at you (as far as I can tell).

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Dude as i said back in your other thread, what i was meaning is this.

You don't even seem to bother, a terrain doesn't need to be finished in one day (especially not of a whole ORPG map).

Just take your time man and try your best. If you lack fantasy then just look at terrain of others, look at pictures of landscapes from games or reality and just try to combine them or something!

And everything stated above =p

Lol yes I realize this but I don't have the patience for terrain nor the imagination to make it look like what I see in my mind.. =(

Also.. is this better?

New Town

That was without lightning btw.. Lol also those pink box doodad things are pathing blockers =D i forgot to not view doodads when i took that screenshot.. sry.

 

[thegreatsmite]

tttttooooooo ffffffllllllllaaaaattttttttt

towns aren't built on flat planes becasue welll, those simply just dont exist in real life...

 

[Turminator8]

Your town isn't too bad, you just need to place some more stuff in it (like walls). But you really aren't gunna get anywhere if you can't take ur time with terrains... it just doesn't work like that

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Lol yes i tried to fence the town in but i dont know how to rotate doodads so it looked retarded.. i just took it out..

 

[Turminator8]

try going to the object editor and changing the Pitch and roll angle to 90
1 sec i'll get a pic

If this still looks funny. change them back to 0 and place the fence around your city. then cover up the bottom part with lots of rocks, plants, and shrubs. Spam it a little around so u can't see the funny looking parts at all.

 

[Turminator8]

Another tip i just thought of, if you want complete rotation of the fence, go to object Editor and make a new doodad using the shrub as your base. Then go to model used and change it to the fence. Then you can freely rotate the fence anyway you like. (you will have to put pathing blockers because units can go right through it)

Edit: sorry for 2 posts in a row =/

 

[seruk]

This wasn't even aimed at you (as far as I can tell).

Yes. Yes it was.

Way to get your panties in a bunch guys.

 

[Gilles]

Yes. Yes it was.

Way to get your panties in a bunch guys.

Oh. Well don't flame then.

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Honesty guys.. don't start a fight in this thread I posted it for help to make my terrain better not to be a warzone..

 

[Turminator8]

sorry Oblivion... btw did my tips help or was that not wut u were looking for?

 

[redscores]

I could teach you better terraining, if you want my references search in the terrain board for my showcase... I think I am one of the better terrainers.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Doodads and tile variation.

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

sorry Oblivion... btw did my tips help or was that not wut u were looking for?

Lol yeah terminator i did add a fence around the town but im stuck again this time it's because i have no ideas for terrain.. =D the limited amount possible in the tileset is getting to me also.. making it hard to vary the areas...

Well i just got a reference map that has all kinds of skins and stuff for terrain so im going to work on a new town and ill see what you guys think.. =D

 

[Naze]

SPEND TIME on it. Think how a castle for example looks, then recreate it. Think of how a forest looks, does a forest only contain trees or are there paths, mushrooms, dirt, shrub?

So dude.. Set your terrain back to 0 in your signature . No offence.

Listen to LordDz and The Wand Mirror, they say the truth. Okay, you didn't got the creativity you need. But you still can look forward for good patterns and ways to terrain. Here are links that will surely help you:

A very good terrained forest
Random good playable terrains
HernanG's terrains
VERY USEFUL LINK.

Now, for terrains that were mainly focusing in being artistic, here are some good places to start:

Legendary Terrains, the best thread to find good terrains.

raid1000's terrain, he is a good terrainer.

Void is one of the best terrainers around.

Well dude, that's it, I tried to help.

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Lol yes.. iv'e looked at almost all of those links already.. i see what i want mine to look like but i can't portray it in my maps.. I'm working on it tho.. =(

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Lol if only that didnt take me like 4 hours.. =D ill try to mess with the rest of the map.. the main reason im not so great is because the doodads i want to put in there aren't in world editor but the utm has some of the things ive been wanting =D

 

[Turminator8]

not bad.. show it with sky and fix a few of the arches.. they look a lil funny.. and if your making a city I would use a wall from the UTM. I saw Void gave you a link to it in your other post. Also are you making a melee map or a map for a campaign?

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Melee i think..? Dunno just a Save/Load ORPG..

 

[Turminator8]

oh ok ya... so you could make a "snowy map" and then a Farm map and stuff if you run out of tiles or... use WE unlimited but I wouldn't recommend it, I've had problems with it crashing and losing all my work, corrupting files and stuff.. was when I started using auto save every 2 min.
So I would make each "region" a different map if you could.. it would just give you more freedom to make each part flow with each other if you know what i mean...

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Well im going for a more.. natural thing.. making a bunch of boxes would look kinda dumb... (to my eyes)

 

[~Void~]

Lol yes.. iv'e looked at almost all of those links already.. i see what i want mine to look like but i can't portray it in my maps.. I'm working on it tho.. =(

You're totally getting there man. Just those bright yellow shrubs could be a bit darker.

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

You're totally getting there man. Just those bright yellow shrubs could be a bit darker.

Lol yeah.. i replaced them with river rushes because i added water around the town =D

 

[thegreatsmite]

i like how the city lead right into the edge of all exsitance.....might wana fix that

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Umm thats because thats the first part of the terrain ive made.. im making the rest right now.. heres another part right now..

The Swamp

=) hope that looks good because it took forever.. (its only about half of the whole thing if that in that picture..

 

[Turminator8]

Nice dude.. ur coming along now.. so what was it about my suggestion of multiple maps that u didn't like?

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Wait you mean like a series or the map split into regions..? because if its a series i dont have a problem..

If you meant split up i just dont like how it looks.. i prefer just a big open space laid out to explore..

 

[Turminator8]

I mean like make it so when the enter a region, they go to another map solely based on a specific theme.. allows you to give more detail.
just a suggestion though.. don't have to use it =)

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Urgh.. considering it because im bad at making the different places come together without looking unrealistic.. im stuck at swamp i dont know what to put after it.. =( ill try your way.. soon

Btw.. any possible way to extend the tileset limit..? Thats really dragging me and stopping me from being able to make too many areas..

 

[Turminator8]

well you can try WEU. Basically you can go in and add a lot more tiles, (I think) but it is very possible that this could corrupt your files and ruin your maps. IF you do use this I would HIGHLY recommend that you have auto save for every 5-10 min and you save your files in 2 names ( example: example.w3x and example2.w3x)

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

I have world editor unlimited but i stopped using it after it messed up my old map.. it corrupted the data and i had to restart my map..

 

[Turminator8]

ya.. that's the ad thing bout it... I personally think it wouldn't be bad if you make each "region" a different map. If I have time maybe I'll make a quick example to show you what i mean.

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

I am planning on doing that but I kinda like my town and the easiest way i would do that is to restart my map completely..

 

[Turminator8]

you don't have to...
what you can do is select ALL the doodads that make up your town and paste them in a new map. The only hard part is making a terrain that fits the town, However if you want your hills/cliffs, you can copy and paste them as well.

 

[Chief-Oblivion]

Yeah but if i make it like that they'll be square pretty much.. my town isnt square..

 

[Turminator8]

what do you mean square?