Modern Warfare 1.11 BETA

[Moderator]

01:54, 3rd Feb 2009
Septimus: I never experience any error while playing with 3 player. Based on the quality of this map and the description, it definetely worth an approval.

 

[Callahan]

Whoa...amazing Illidan.
Found few bugs though :
-Troyka (russian anti-infantry vehicule) cannot attack
-infantry have their gun fire showing during proning anime.
-Russian anti-air vehicule does not decay.
-Sometime when I order units to attack they move at target location instead of attacking it holding postion or it's part of gameplay and is related to the fact that they can fire while moving and the attack-move command has been replaced by a move-to-target-location-while-attacking?

 

[bounty hunter2]

Here is my rating and comment:

1 - 10 points go on originality
1 - 10 points go on object editor work
1 - 10 points go on scripting 1 - 10 points go on terrain
1 - 10 points go on bug free
1 - 10 points go on gameplay*/fun factor
1 - 10 points go on lag
1 - 10 points go on proper submission and crediting
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->That equals 80 points max.
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+ Cinematic
1 - 10 points on camera work
1 - 10 points on dialog
1 - 10 points on music and or voice acting
- Cinematic
Object editor work
* Not in cinematic
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That equals 100 points max.
To get a Hive grade over 1/5 at least 50% of the 80 (Triggered map) or of the 100 (Cinematic map) points is needed. That means at least 40 or 50 points. However if a map gets rated over 1/5 by me, that doesn't mean that I will imidietly vote it to be approved.

Originality: 8 points
It surprised me how a not so original theme can be done in such a good and original way.

Object editor work: 9 points
Very good job here.

Scripting: 9 points
The scripting was phenomenal. The way you managed to make it look like actual RTS modern warfare game, was simply amazing. The problem is that sometimes it takes time for the things in the menu to switch.

Terrain: 7 points
For a map like this, it was a okay terrain, however:
- Add dodoads - like road blockers, destroyed vechiles
- The fountain I found ugly

Bug Free: 3 points
I didn't look this up too good, but Callahan has mentioned quite some here:

Quote

-Troyka (russian anti-infantry vehicule) cannot attack
-infantry have their gun fire showing during proning anime.
-Russian anti-air vehicule does not decay.
-Sometime when I order units to attack they move at target location instead of attacking it holding postion or it's part of gameplay and is related to the fact that they can fire while moving and the attack-move command has been replaced by a move-to-target-location-while-attacking?

Gameplay/Fun Factor: 9 points
What can I say but that this map is just fun to play. It is a simple RTS game that you will love. It is highly repeatable and you can always try different tactics.

Lag: 7 points
There was some lag, but nothing to drastic. Fine loading time.

Proper submission and crediting: 10 points
You did a very nice job here.

In overall: 62 / 80
70% minimal 50% met.
For the hive grade: 4/5 I suggest this map for: Approval
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In overall it is a very well scripted map that is indeed fun to play. The terrain is fine for a map like this and serves it purpose, however it could be improved a bit. The map won't lag much, and the loading time is short. As a small downside I must mention the big file size, but I am sure it was necessary for all the models plus the interface. As a problem I will mention some bugs that Callahan previously stated, that aren't fatal but would be nice if fixed. Normally for a score of 62 I would give a rating of 3, but this map has surprised me in any mean possible and I must go for a solid 4.
I know you submitted is as a Beta for testing and your most important part was the bug finding. I will try to do that part as soon as possible.

Good Luck, bounty hunter2
I might not be checking this topic for some time. If you have any questions about the review or you update the map and want me to check it again, feel free to PM me or Visitor message me at any time.

 

[Hevenblood]

Awesome map. No bugs 5/5

 

[InfiniteSeven]

Great map, no doubt.

I did find a bug when I did a quick test - the air superiority fighters sometimes doesn't attack the selected target as ordered. It does most of the time though.

The targets included trees, fences, other doodads, enemy towers and units.

 

[Kil1er]

Yes! It is published!
10/10

 

[Darkenneko_003]

GREAT Map,
One thing, while playing on B.net, I've encountered a server split as people were instantly thrown out of the server. =/
You may want to find out the cause of it, but its rather annoying, anyways, great map! keep up the amazing work!

 

[Kil1er]

Russian anti-air vehicule does not decay.

And other animations.
Will you add more units in map?

More bags:
defence towers sometimes don`t damage staying units.
radiation sometimes heal tanks if they beign attacked by defence towers

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

GREAT Map,
One thing, while playing on B.net, I've encountered a server split as people were instantly thrown out of the server. =/
You may want to find out the cause of it, but its rather annoying, anyways, great map! keep up the amazing work!

When does this desynchronization happen? I need to know in order to eliminate the bug.

Will you add more units in map?

More bags:
defence towers sometimes don`t damage staying units.
radiation sometimes heal tanks if they beign attacked by defence towers

The current selection of units is final and will not change.
About the defense turrets; I don't see why that would happen. A Blizzard bug?

Russian anti-air vehicule does not decay.

That's more of a graphical glitch than a bug. The Tunguska-M1 is currently without animations. This will be fixed in the next version.

Troyka (russian anti-infantry vehicule) cannot attack

Thank you. Didn't notice.

 

[Septimus]

I am a mini-moderator that would mention only the map flaw, so I hope you do not mind what I said.

1) There is 1 thing wrong with the city. The city seems to be in intact condition, considering there is a war. How could all structure stay intact ? Also, there is no single car, dead body or ruin structure at the city.

2) Map version should be 1.00 instead 0.01; map with version below 1.00 is consider as alpha.

3) Callahan have mention some of the error.

4) The huge file size might due to the import music, unless you could tell me the file size of the music.

5) Having an AI would be good, considering that some people would like to get familiar with this game before they play with other player via LAN/Internet.

I would vote this map 4/5 due to some trivia error and due to it being another map with the genre of modern warfare style, but despite it being at early beta; you are capable to make it seems to be a gold version map. Rendering me to praise this resources with rating 5/5.

Keep up the good work, this map have potential to be a excellent modern warfare map that are completely different than the other.

My rating was 5/5 and mini moderator vote was APPROVED

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

I am a mini-moderator that would mention only the map flaw

Of course, telling me only what's great about Modern Warfare wouldn't help me improve it.

1) There is 1 thing wrong with the city. The city seems to be in intact condition, considering there is a war. How could all structure stay intact ? Also, there is no single car, dead body or ruin structure at the city.

Just because there's a war raging, doesn't mean every little city in the world suddenly goes post-apocalyptic. The citizens fled because of the upcoming confrontation.
Though, I do agree that the terrain is rather empty at the moment.

2) Map version should be 1.00 instead 0.01; map with version below 1.00 is consider as alpha.

The free-software community tends to use version 1.0 as a major milestone, indicating that the software is "complete".
In this scheme, the version number slowly approaches 1.0 as more and more bugs are fixed in preparation for the 1.0 release.

4) The huge file size might due to the import music, unless you could tell me the file size of the music.

It's because it's a semi-total conversion, dude.
The three pieces of music together takes up approximately 600kb (uncompressed).

5) Having an AI would be good, considering that some people would like to get familiar with this game before they play with other player via LAN/Internet.

Computer AI for singleplayer games will be scripted later on.

 

[Septimus]

Just because there's a war raging, doesn't mean every little city in the world suddenly goes post-apocalyptic. The citizens fled because of the upcoming confrontation.
Though, I do agree that the terrain is rather empty at the moment.

Ok, make sense. But, we musn't forget there is a possible of chaos! Where people might use the opportunity of it to loot or salvage a shop before fleeing the scene or creating a barricade or whatever it was to protect themselves or to delay the arriving of soldier to enable them a quick escape.

The free-software community tends to use version 1.0 as a major milestone, indicating that the software is "complete".
In this scheme, the version number slowly approaches 1.0 as more and more bugs are fixed in preparation for the 1.0 release.

That is why beta version was consider at 1.00 and alpha was below 1.00, if my memory serve me right; VgSatomi have a tutorial on how to review people resources which have imply the difference of it.

It's because it's a semi-total conversion, dude.
The three pieces of music together takes up approximately 600kb (uncompressed).

600kb was indeed high, I believe the acceptable size should be 350kb.

Why ?

My answer was simple, this map actual size already consume up to 2.32mb (Without music) and it was playable by up to 10 players.

If the max player was between 2-4 player, the file size was still acceptable even at 3.9mb. But, what we have here is 10 player map and as you have known; user usually does not have any patient to wait for download. Waiting for 9 user to download a file size that almost reach 3mb would took not less than 30 minutes or longer depending on the user line.

 

[Darkenneko_003]

When does this desynchronization happen? I need to know in order to eliminate the bug.

Not exactly sure,
It happened near the beginning, playing with a bunch of new players it was my first time myself.
I was hoping for FAQ or something in the missions but I was sadly disappointed. So, Everyone started moving units, I was the only one with "Experience" Since I've watched the videos I knew how to buy things, Which I did, I got a few infantry, and had them run off to meet up with the tanks everyone was moving south. Quickly though we ran into a bunch of other tanks, there a battle started and before the battle ended, People were kicked. =/

Not exactly sure still but thats what happened.

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

At least then I can look away from the initializers.

Ok, make sense. But, we musn't forget there is a possible of chaos! Where people might use the opportunity of it to loot or salvage a shop before fleeing the scene or creating a barricade or whatever it was to protect themselves or to delay the arriving of soldier to enable them a quick escape.

Well of course, but the beauty and believability of the terrain isn't among my main priority right now.

My answer was simple, this map actual size already consume up to 2.32mb (Without music) and it was playable by up to 10 players.

If the max player was between 2-4 player, the file size was still acceptable even at 3.9mb. But, what we have here is 10 player map and as you have known; user usually does not have any patient to wait for download. Waiting for 9 user to download a file size that almost reach 3mb would took not less than 30 minutes or longer depending on the user line.

You don't need a full house in order to play this. Just close 4 - 6 (even 8 if you want a one-on-one) player slots when hosting over b.net.

 

[Septimus]

A game only fun when it was play under a full house. After all, what is the purpose of setting it at 10 player max when you want to play it with approximate 4-6 player only ? :=/

By the way, the description and the work makes me believe you deserve a reputation. +2 for you.

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

Local Area Network. 'Nuff said

 

[bounty hunter2]

It doesn't neccesary to be only fun in Full house. 2v2 can be fun too. It is good he put a lot of slots so the game can vary. The host can close the slots at any time.

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Quite impressive and very nice looking map, more friendly interface than wc3 has xD.

 

[Oklino]

My answer was simple, this map actual size already consume up to 2.32mb (Without music) and it was playable by up to 10 players.

If the max player was between 2-4 player, the file size was still acceptable even at 3.9mb. But, what we have here is 10 player map and as you have known; user usually does not have any patient to wait for download. Waiting for 9 user to download a file size that almost reach 3mb would took not less than 30 minutes or longer depending on the user line.

Illidan what ever you do, it's wrong that is what i've learned here...

your map is great - you're having a lot of costum models (even trees!!) and if someone doesnt want to wait for the download to finish "he" should be the poor one AND NOT you because of the filesize... it's nonsense to keep harping on about 600KB music or rather a difference of 250kb...

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

-Sometime when I order units to attack they move at target location instead of attacking it holding postion or it's part of gameplay and is related to the fact that they can fire while moving and the attack-move command has been replaced by a move-to-target-location-while-attacking?

I've found the error here. Whenever you're targeting a unit/destructable hidden in the fog, Warcraft register it as a point order (EVENT_PLAYER_UNIT_ISSUED_POINT_ORDER) instead of a target order (EVENT_PLAYER_UNIT_ISSUED_TARGET_ORDER). I've found no way around this one.

 

[Callahan]

I believe it's tank type unit which suffer that issue.Tank will fire at long range without moving to target's location only if the target was already at its fire range (not sight range) when ordered.
I used a flare near their base and order all my unit to attack-move that area.Every tank want move at any aquired enemy units point even if they're not in fog making them very vulneralbe.
This is very annoying requiring needless micro.
It really need to be fixed.

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

The air superiority fighters also suffers from this issue. I'll try to find a way around it.

 

[wereguy2]

OMG Finally out!
It was great! The start was nice and atmospheric and the unit behavior (Circling flying units, turning turrets) made it wach more realistic. The menu was kinda annoyed, with a lot of macro needed, you should add a unit build queue.
Some AI would be nice too...
5/5

 

[Kil1er]

In first Alpha which of the start of 2008 year infantry had squads and terran was much more interesting.
Will you imrpove this thing and add squad system?

 

[Ghost765]

Holy.
Shit.

You gonna release some of the Coding on this map sooner or later?

 

[deathchikin]

this map is amazing

thats all i can say its just pure awesome

 

[cool_is_i]

This is really good map...
It gives you the fell of playing another game, and not warcraft...
If this is what you were striving for, congrats, you did it.

I did encounter some bugs:
-When i hosted it on garena, everyone but me got kicked instantly when the game started
this is a major bug, it needs to be fixed...
i hosted 2-3 times and everyone got kicked each time.
-as someone else said, the units move to the position and dont attack.

i wont rate the game as yet, as i havent played it with others,...

 

[Super-Sheep]

Yeah kick bug happened to me too.

And land mine hotkey is not working zomfg!!1

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

Does this 'kick' bug appear right away, or a few seconds into the game?

And land mine hotkey is not working zomfg!!1

Thank you.

 

[Super-Sheep]

Does this 'kick' bug appear right away, or a few seconds into the game?

Some ppl get disc at the very beginning and after about 10 minutes all other get disc at the same time.

 

[cool_is_i]

im pretty sure it happened immediately after the game started, if not, then a few seconds into the game.

 

[Darkenneko_003]

im pretty sure it happened immediately after the game started, if not, then a few seconds into the game.

Its not instant,
I was able to create 3 squads of soldiers and a humvee before everyone was kicked in mine.

ALSO!
The Landmine option disappears when having selected more than one soldier, any way to fix that? =P

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

I've been testing this new version (1.02) for about 30 minutes over LAN without any kind of errors other that the one I just fixed (see changelog).
However, if the game still desynchronizes, I might know the cause.

 

[Ghost765]

I did a single player test, game looked alright although the terrain was kinda...bland? no height variations in the forest areas.
Werent you gonna take into account vertical collision? i didnt see any evidence of that.
I position an Abrams around the corner of a building, and told him to target another one of my abrams. shot right through the building. same with artillery strikes.
What is with artillery strikes? they seem to do crazy damage. Destroyed the Enemies hq in a single shot.

Are the 3 X's in the Tactical Menu unlockable? What about the gunship?

Sometimes f-22's ran up into the edge of the map and ran up and down the map. had to order them back.

Tac Weapons arent cancelable, u have to shoot them when u select them. Dont know if that was intentional or not.

Might wanna change the Nuke Projectile, the flying machine's bomb doesnt look that great.

EDIT1:
Ok, i seriously recommend removing that Fullscreen chat and make it into a scoreboard, like in alpha.

I also liked the Old terrain aLOT better, with the airstrip and everything. I also think the old buildings were alot better aswell.

EDIT2:
Triple post! hell to te yes!
anyways, people d/c still. about 10 minutes into the game.

umm... yah... make the terrain more intresting, maybe squish all those damn models like 10 times to reduce filesize, resize textures... music is totally fine, so is the voices.

Bug: Soviets "check" boxes for hints and camera dont work out.

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

..the terrain was kinda...bland? no height variations in the forest areas.

I have yet to start the actual terrain work. It's been like this since pre-alpha.

Werent you gonna take into account vertical collision? i didnt see any evidence of that.

I were. I also removed it in the remake because of horrible performance issues.
That's actually one of the reasons it died.

What is with artillery strikes? they seem to do crazy damage. Destroyed the Enemies hq in a single shot.

They don't. You obviously had cheats turned on.

Are the 3 X's in the Tactical Menu unlockable?

They're three unused slots for yet undecided tactical weaponry.

Tac Weapons arent cancelable, u have to shoot them when u select them. Dont know if that was intentional or not.

They are. You just have to hit the Escape button.

Ok, i seriously recommend removing that Fullscreen chat and make it into a scoreboard, like in alpha.

Huh? There never was any scoreboard in the alpha.
Any reason why I should remove it?

I also think the old buildings were alot better aswell.

You're joking, right?

Triple post! hell to te yes!

Edit button?

squish all those damn models like 10 times to reduce filesize, resize textures

I take that as a; "Your map file size is too fucking huge".


Thank you for your review.

 

[Kil1er]

3 mb is a big size?
I laugh.
Illidan, you made great map.
But will you answer on my question and what about publishing of systems/models?

 

[Darkenneko_003]

So,
Testing the new Version, had a good battle between some of the other players tanks, they started a assault on my base, (Which in the beginning is pretty useless because the towers are pretty uber) So yea.

Half way through his assault he gets Dced, so yes, the map Still kicks people out.
But I Got farther than before! Don't know if thats good or not, but it was fun. xD Had a good air fight too, but the Sever splitting needs to stop. =/

The Air fights are lacking at times though.
Because at some points the planes just continuously go in circles and its annoying. xD

 

[Septimus]

3 mb is a big size?
I laugh.
Illidan, you made great map.
But will you answer on my question and what about publishing of systems/models?

Yes, considering it was a 10 player map. If this was a single player map, the file size doesn't matter even if it reach 5gb.

To Illidan : Would there be a new game mode available in this map ?

 

[wereguy2]

Muahaha, you are wrong, doesnt Hive limit the maximum size of maps!

 

[Ghost765]

Ihttp://www.moddb.com/mods/modern-warfare2/videos

the scoreboard Chat box in this video.
alot of people were confused on where the chat box was, and it kinda distracts you from the battles that are going on.
i did try pressing cancel for the Tac Weapons, it didnt work for some reason.
People still get d/ced. did i say that already?

Grenades doesnt affect destructibles?

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

I am completely unable to re-create this desynch issue everyone's experiencing.
Someone provide me with a replay playing the newest version (1.03) so I can see it myself.

 

[Ghost765]

maybe its cause youre playing on LAN. I'll try to get a replay asap.

EDIT: possible disconnect. 1v1, random person. he either d/ced or he just left cause i killed his F-22. ill try to get a more reliable video next.


EDIT 2: For sure disconnect. 1v1, friend of mine. D/Ced as soon as he entered combat with me.

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

EDIT 2: For sure disconnect. 1v1, friend of mine. D/Ced as soon as he entered combat with me.

Thanks. I'll look into it.

To Illidan : Would there be a new game mode available in this map ?

Like..?

 

[Super-Sheep]

Like..?

Control Points.

 

[cool_is_i]

Illidan(evil)X i have tested the map again,
This time i had my friend host it on garena,
i did not get kicked within the first few seconds, the game was fun
tho after i got a few air superiority fighters... i got disconnected.

I would advise you to:
-Make a ingame text saying when someone leaves the game
-in the start, mention through ingame text and the quest menu, that you have to use the dropdown chat box and all.chat to chat, it is kinda obvious, but still to completely new players, they dont know.
I spent the 1st 5 min trying to get my friend to use the chat...... with no success as he did not c the chat box.

 

[Super-Sheep]

I dont understand the idea of the chatbox. It sucks. :/

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

I would advise you to:
-Make a ingame text saying when someone leaves the game
-in the start, mention through ingame text and the quest menu, that you have to use the dropdown chat box and all.chat to chat, it is kinda obvious, but still to completely new players, they dont know.
I spent the 1st 5 min trying to get my friend to use the chat...... with no success as he did not c the chat box.

Useful improvement suggestions here. +Rep for that.

I dont understand the idea of the chatbox. It sucks. :/

That's your personal opinion. In my opinion, it's awesome.
This is not a "Just another Warcraft III map". If that's what you wanna play, you're in the wrong place.

 

[Super-Sheep]

you're in the wrong place.

bye.

 

[cool_is_i]

Ty for rep,
Btw i like the idea of the new chat system, it continues the feel of the whole 'new game' feel that begins in the start