MKT v0.15 Prot

[Moderator]

17:17, 12th Mar 2011
ap0calypse: Approved

See post #13

 

[Sverkerman]

Feedback highly appreciated! Also, I check this daily.

I found a small bug in 0.15. Have been fixed tho, game is running G-r-e-a-t now.

This post was last updated 2011-03-26

 

[taxikar]

umm I wonder why but I can't see it in my map list...

 

[Hagge5]

umm I wonder why but I can't see it in my map list...

I dunno what you're doing wrong, but I can see it fine.

 

[bhusta]

umm I wonder why but I can't see it in my map list...

a lot of people can't see maps with long names.

i don't know why, change the map name and you should be able to see it.

 

[kidsoulex]

a lot of people can't see maps with long names.

i don't know why, change the map name and you should be able to see it.

I think its because of the map path being so big but yeah change name to smaller and everybody can see.

 

[Sverkerman]

I think its because of the map path being so big but yeah change name to smaller and everybody can see.

fixed.

 

[Orcnet]

Map Review

This "mini-game" was made by Sverkerman were the augmenting mountain kings challenge each other to the death to prove who would become the best of the best.

Map Review

Mountain King Tournament v0.07 (Protected)

Rating System

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	5/5	91-100	A

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	4/5	81-90%	B

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	3/5	75-80%	C

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	2/5	70-74%	D

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	1/5	50-69%	F

General:

Gameplay-[5/5]
Note: Were I pronounce your game challenging or a waste of time.

Playability-[5/5]
Note: This part tells me if the game is rather fun and can be played again and again.

Terrain-[5/5]
Note: Were I tell your game's environmental display is either great or terrible.

Managing-[5/5]
Note: This is were I explain the output or outcome quality of the game.

Bug/s
Note: No score, just to tell your map has bugs on it or simply bug-free.

Overall-[20/20]

About My Reputations:

My complements for the Maker/s of the map's game.

Were I explain your map needs to get fix or make an improvement of your work.

Overview

Gameplay

The Game was fun, unique, and extreme to play with!.

Although I feel unease to think that every MK has only 1hp while their skills were meant to spam as fast as a race car. atleast make a balanced health point like a 5/5 for players to have a chance to battle there opponent on this game.

Playability

Because of such a inferior health points to handle, the game is too risky and middle-term entertainment for easy and serious type of players, and for the fight location, the 3v3 and 4v4 were great! but for the 1v1 and 2v2, make the starter location far to each other so there will be a thrill on each clash for the players to go into.

Terrain

The Terrain scoring for this one doesn't count, but still, I adore it! each player fight had a different terrain to play with and that is really cool, well I sure dig this section of my observation.

Managing

Your management went good, nothing bad to see, except for the MK's health which is really a problem from my opinion, try increasing it a little bit.

Bug/s

I don't know if I am wrong or any, its just that I tried playing this solo (for a quick review) how come the Replaced AI always activates its invulnerable skill when I throw that rock skill? just curious

Total Score

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	17/20	92%	A

Excellent!

Hope you can do better than before, Goodluck!
happy map-making!

 

[light bolt30]

Could you also post some screenshots of the game play?

 

[Sverkerman]

UPDATED!
Fixed:
-Issue where Throw Rock would break through Spell Block.
-Fixed a minor leak.
-Increased HP so that it requires 2x of Throw Hammer in order to lay a kill. However 1x Throw Rock will remain deadly.
-Fixed starting cinematic issue.
-Fixed issue where the game would not show up in the game list due to the long name. Name is now MKT (Mountain King Tournament).

Happy gaming from Sverkerman!

 

[Orcnet]

Excellent Work Lad!

 

[Cihparg]

Considering the first post; Please, do not ask for reputation.

 

[ap0calypse]

First things first: it's good that you add "prot" at the end of the file name, but please remove it from the actual map name.
We want to play "Mountain King Tournament", not "MKT V0.08 Prot" (aesthetic details are important to me).
Oh, and promoting the hive is great, but please do not ask for rep (not even in-game).
Not only because it's lame, but also because nobody wants to read such a huge amount of text (try to say as much as you can with as few words as possible).
I edited your first post because of the extreme amount of lameness, but do consider removing it in-game as well.

The map gets extremely boring after a while.
It's constantly the same thing: no upgrades, no different maps (once the game started), no options to change the gameplay.
I highly advice you to add options!
They're not just for decoration, they're to make the game exciting.
What if I want to get to 20 kills? Or only to 5? What if I want to change the map? What if I want a random map to be chosen every round?
There are so many possibilities, yet you chose none! (Aside from the team options, but in such maps that's pretty much required).

Now I know upgrades might ruin the balancing if I just say 'needs upgrades', as players who are winning will be able to buy more upgrades etc, but that doesn't have to be the case.
You can give a certain amount of points to upgrade certain spells (everyone gets the same amount of points), this adds a greater strategical value (if done correctly).

The intro could've been done with a fade filter instead of ASCII codes (the "WELCOME").
The sounds are good... can't complain there (in my eyes the best 'detail' of the map).
You should know that I only give negative points for importing non-custom material (the sounds are custom-made for your map, they're different), you cannot possibly get positive points because you know how to import files.
You got no points for importing, so that means it's okay. You didn't import too much, nor did you import files which you didn't need.

The terrain is simple, yet effective. Not much to say: sunken ruins is rather easy to create good-looking terrains with.
Blizzard cliffs fit in this map (strategic factor), you didn't add cinematic doodads, you kept it plain and simple (that's neither positive nor negative).

You might want to tell the players how long the "Hammer Throw" stuns the target, e.g.: "You throw a hammer, stunning the target for 1 second".
You also might want to add colons ) behind every spell factor, e.g.: "Range: 400 / Damage: 1 / ...".
Another useful thing is adding the hotkey in the spell name. This can be done by adding it between brackets at the end (in my eyes a lot easier to spot than in the tooltip itself).


This map can be greatly improved, but has all the necessary elements for approval.
Therefore, I will approve it.

(hypothetical rating would be around 3/5, not added because I only did some minor testing).

 

[Sverkerman]

First things first: it's good that you add "prot" at the end of the file name, but please remove it from the actual map name.
We want to play "Mountain King Tournament", not "MKT V0.08 Prot" (aesthetic details are important to me).
Oh, and promoting the hive is great, but please do not ask for rep (not even in-game).
Not only because it's lame, but also because nobody wants to read such a huge amount of text (try to say as much as you can with as few words as possible).
I edited your first post because of the extreme amount of lameness, but do consider removing it in-game as well.

The map gets extremely boring after a while.
It's constantly the same thing: no upgrades, no different maps (once the game started), no options to change the gameplay.
I highly advice you to add options!
They're not just for decoration, they're to make the game exciting.
What if I want to get to 20 kills? Or only to 5? What if I want to change the map? What if I want a random map to be chosen every round?
There are so many possibilities, yet you chose none! (Aside from the team options, but in such maps that's pretty much required).

Now I know upgrades might ruin the balancing if I just say 'needs upgrades', as players who are winning will be able to buy more upgrades etc, but that doesn't have to be the case.
You can give a certain amount of points to upgrade certain spells (everyone gets the same amount of points), this adds a greater strategical value (if done correctly).

The intro could've been done with a fade filter instead of ASCII codes (the "WELCOME").
The sounds are good... can't complain there (in my eyes the best 'detail' of the map).
You should know that I only give negative points for importing non-custom material (the sounds are custom-made for your map, they're different), you cannot possibly get positive points because you know how to import files.
You got no points for importing, so that means it's okay. You didn't import too much, nor did you import files which you didn't need.

The terrain is simple, yet effective. Not much to say: sunken ruins is rather easy to create good-looking terrains with.
Blizzard cliffs fit in this map (strategic factor), you didn't add cinematic doodads, you kept it plain and simple (that's neither positive nor negative).

You might want to tell the players how long the "Hammer Throw" stuns the target, e.g.: "You throw a hammer, stunning the target for 1 second".
You also might want to add colons ) behind every spell factor, e.g.: "Range: 400 / Damage: 1 / ...".
Another useful thing is adding the hotkey in the spell name. This can be done by adding it between brackets at the end (in my eyes a lot easier to spot than in the tooltip itself).


This map can be greatly improved, but has all the necessary elements for approval.
Therefore, I will approve it.

(hypothetical rating would be around 3/5, not added because I only did some minor testing).

Thank you very much for the feedback I highly appreciate it! I will improve all the things which you pointed out.
EDIT2: I have now updated the map! Enjoy!

 

[nikoc]

really love the map. I Bielive it has future, with some upgrades and a good feedback.. it may become top wc3 map

 

[Orcnet]

oh hey! I forgot to make a reply to your message earlier, yeh I already made the rating, hope you like it, happy-map making!

 

[Great Chief Aeon]

WTF i see that the map is Totally Epic, people saying that can be even the top map here!! Gona Test It Right Now!!!

 

[NightElf125]

WTF i see that the map is Totally Epic, people saying that can be even the top map here!! Gona Test It Right Now!!!

That's a joke right? This map is no where NEARRRR being the top map on here. It's really simple at the moment, and gets boring after a while. I mean, for the scope of the game, I suppose it is made decently and there don't seem to be leaks etc. But that's about it. Nothing extraordinary here. 2.5/5. No offense Sverkerman but that's my honest opinion. My rating can always change though! I will elaborate on what needs fixing if you need me to.

 

[Great Chief Aeon]

That's a joke right? This map is no where NEARRRR being the top map on here. It's really simple at the moment, and gets boring after a while. I mean, for the scope of the game, I suppose it is made decently and there don't seem to be leaks etc. But that's about it. Nothing extraordinary here. 2.5/5. No offense Sverkerman but that's my honest opinion. My rating can always change though! I will elaborate on what needs fixing if you need me to.

i never played the map before, ok, if you have the problem is yours... and i dint liked as well, i think is too much simple and tiresome...
but i liked the resources, like UI an some icons... and for the momment to bugs found, 4/5 for this one +1 rep point

 

[Magnet199]

map seems interesting testing

EDIT: ok i tested here is what i got:

The Bad Stuff:
- "I" think its not fun to be top of the terrain while enemy is down and you toss stuff at him :S

The Good Stuff:
- new idea
- nice terrain
- amazing spells
- quick rounds me like
- mana regen pool is cool
- and every little thing else

suggestions:
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Note:
i will give you suggestions the more i play the map with some friends, now because i tested it alone so yeah, suggestions will be mostly in the spells gameplay and maybe new arena

Map is awesome:
Rate: 5/5
Rep: 1+
Vote: -

Good job Keep Up the Great Job DONT STOP

 

[Sverkerman]

map seems interesting testing

EDIT: ok i tested here is what i got:

The Bad Stuff:
- "I" think its not fun to be top of the terrain while enemy is down and you toss stuff at him :S

The Good Stuff:
- new idea
- nice terrain
- amazing spells
- quick rounds me like
- mana regen pool is cool
- and every little thing else

suggestions:
----------

Note:
i will give you suggestions the more i play the map with some friends, now because i tested it alone so yeah, suggestions will be mostly in the spells gameplay and maybe new arena

Map is awesome:
Rate: 5/5
Rep: 1+
Vote: -

Good job Keep Up the Great Job DONT STOP

Thanks alot, people like you is what keeps me votivated.

 

[Great Chief Aeon]

Deception...
The Map Is trully Amazing, for that it had an epic vote from me, but i dint liked ALOT of things, or the map style wasnt made for persons like me...

The Loved things:
Models, Ui's, skins, textures and tiles. the voices when a tournament begins is really cool . (+4)

The Hated things:
The Small Life of the units, the totally useless and poor ability of the rock throw and the MK's atack speed. you could make it very more slower. The MK dont have chance to change their itens...(-3)

The Bonus Things:
No Bugs, errors or mistakes found (+1 rate point) - Very Nice discription (+0,25 rate point) - The Darkened Map (-0,10) - Nice Idea for maps (+1,75)

Total: 4-3+3 = 4 + 1rep point
VERY INCRIBLE MAP!! im sure if i liked to play it, i would give 5/5, but is 4/5 for

 

[Sverkerman]

Deception...
The Map Is trully Amazing, for that it had an epic vote from me, but i dint liked ALOT of things, or the map style wasnt made for persons like me...

The Loved things:
Models, Ui's, skins, textures and tiles. the voices when a tournament begins is really cool . (+4)

The Hated things:
The Small Life of the units, the totally useless and poor ability of the rock throw and the MK's atack speed. you could make it very more slower. The MK dont have chance to change their itens...(-3)

The Bonus Things:
No Bugs, errors or mistakes found (+1 rate point) - Very Nice discription (+0,25 rate point) - The Darkened Map (-0,10) - Nice Idea for maps (+1,75)

Total: 4-3+3 = 4 + 1rep point
VERY INCRIBLE MAP!! im sure if i liked to play it, i would give 5/5, but is 4/5 for

Thank you for your map review! I gave you +1 rep!

However, Throw Rock = Useless? Forgot that it can actually take over artifacts? Also, this is the only spell that will instant kill when playing with more than 1 HP (setting). And in that case, did you not read the description? And in that case, Re-Review my map please.

However, if I get more reviews which holds the same information, I will edit it.

About attack speed, I am not going to change it since it creates a nice little twist to the whole combat system

 

[Great Chief Aeon]

Thanks
i never did played more than 5 minuts, because i only killed my enemy 3 times, then i just die, die, die and die... I will make a best review because of the map's power

 

[dragoon431]

reply

Awesome!

 

[Great Chief Aeon]

Thank you for your map review! I gave you +1 rep!

However, Throw Rock = Useless? Forgot that it can actually take over artifacts? Also, this is the only spell that will instant kill when playing with more than 1 HP (setting). And in that case, did you not read the description? And in that case, Re-Review my map please.

However, if I get more reviews which holds the same information, I will edit it.

About attack speed, I am not going to change it since it creates a nice little twist to the whole combat system

hmm, i think it has been bugged to me...
When i throw the rock, even with 1hp the oposite MK dont dye!, he dont even is damaged, not affected by any buff, absolutely Nothing happens, thats why i think is trully useless, but if for other persons it works, so i throw away what i said before...

 

[Magnet199]

hey i got an idea

how about mode that goes like this:
2 units are the king/boss (1 for each team)
to win is to kill these units, until they die, the other units will re-spawn and re-spawn until this king dies, this will cause some action and protection AND offence at the same time

But to make it fair, the re-spawn will need time like 10-30 sec. maybe, but also the king/boss will be slower and both teams should know who is the boss, by adding a model for the king OR give a buff (that shows without clicking) that this is the king.

So is it good? or too much?