Making of a Hero v1.5

[Moderator]

16:25, 5th Nov 2013
Orcnet: Reviewed:

The Hive Workshop Official

Map Reviewer: Hell_Master Map Name: Making of a Hero Map Author: Legal_Ease Originality A somewhat unque type of game type. What I like in this game is that you choose on what way your unit grows and become a hero though I do think some maps attempted this and is successful but there are just few of them so I can still considered this somewhat on a level of unique. And what's more is that you can have critters as your pet which also becomes a hero same as your main unit. Score: 77/100 Presentation A very clean and original presentation. It contains all the possible informations needed and is followed with Features, Screesnhots which is also appealing and Credits. You also made your own template and it is great in form. You have your originalities. This deserves a perfect score to be honest! Score: 100/100 Design Everything looks fine. Minimap Preview Image fits and is attractive though could also use a Loading Screen. Quest Menu is organized, all icons are seem to be working and no green icons and descriptions seems well though some parts could still be improved. Score: 61/100 Terrain Terrain is decent but actually it is really empty though its good that its not flat. Also, trees should have different scaling sizes and big differences on Min and Max Value. It makes it more realistic! Also, the terrain could still be improved alot. Be creative and also use those Special Effects to your advantage, you can make them and modiy them to be a doodads. There are lots of possibilities for this to improve honestly. Score: 63/100 Triggers Triggers are organized and looks good. Everything seems to be working and not to be bugging which affects much of the game. All I can say good job. Not much to judge on triggering. Score: 80/100 Object Data Once again, everything looks fine. Nothing wrong and everything is fresh. No improper units or units scaling size, no improper or unfitting sounds though some errors in-game (but not sure or not yet confirmed if it is an error) Score: 61/100 Gameplay Game could be good though why is it that when I used Orc then upgraded into Grunt, I planned to upgrade into Rider or whatever you call it but it requires 3 food but I have 3/4 food and there is no such way I can increase it a value. Is this a bug or is there a way out of here because for me this realy crushes the fun. Everything is fine except for this. Score: 63/100 Overall map is good though it can still be improved at some fields such as in terraining: lots of possible improvements here, Gameplay: could be a lot more fun with something more also fix the bug (if not a bug mind, offering an answer to the problem), and lots more. Final Score: 72.143/100 4/5 Vote for Approval Contact: (Visitor Message) / (Private Message) / (Map Reviewers)

 

[Legal_Ease]

See changlog for latest updates.

Custom UIs added - See Panda, Sunken Ruins and Goblin.

 

[Daffa]

Nice, better review this one later.

 

[Binsu]

The Hive Workshop Official

Map Reviewer: Hell_Master Map Name: Making of a Hero Map Author: Legal_Ease Originality A somewhat unque type of game type. What I like in this game is that you choose on what way your unit grows and become a hero though I do think some maps attempted this and is successful but there are just few of them so I can still considered this somewhat on a level of unique. And what's more is that you can have critters as your pet which also becomes a hero same as your main unit. Score: 77/100 Presentation A very clean and original presentation. It contains all the possible informations needed and is followed with Features, Screesnhots which is also appealing and Credits. You also made your own template and it is great in form. You have your originalities. This deserves a perfect score to be honest! Score: 100/100 Design Everything looks fine. Minimap Preview Image fits and is attractive though could also use a Loading Screen. Quest Menu is organized, all icons are seem to be working and no green icons and descriptions seems well though some parts could still be improved. Score: 61/100 Terrain Terrain is decent but actually it is really empty though its good that its not flat. Also, trees should have different scaling sizes and big differences on Min and Max Value. It makes it more realistic! Also, the terrain could still be improved alot. Be creative and also use those Special Effects to your advantage, you can make them and modiy them to be a doodads. There are lots of possibilities for this to improve honestly. Score: 63/100 Triggers Triggers are organized and looks good. Everything seems to be working and not to be bugging which affects much of the game. All I can say good job. Not much to judge on triggering. Score: 80/100 Object Data Once again, everything looks fine. Nothing wrong and everything is fresh. No improper units or units scaling size, no improper or unfitting sounds though some errors in-game (but not sure or not yet confirmed if it is an error) Score: 61/100 Gameplay Game could be good though why is it that when I used Orc then upgraded into Grunt, I planned to upgrade into Rider or whatever you call it but it requires 3 food but I have 3/4 food and there is no such way I can increase it a value. Is this a bug or is there a way out of here because for me this realy crushes the fun. Everything is fine except for this. Score: 63/100 Overall map is good though it can still be improved at some fields such as in terraining: lots of possible improvements here, Gameplay: could be a lot more fun with something more also fix the bug (if not a bug mind, offering an answer to the problem), and lots more. Final Score: 72.143/100 4/5 Vote for Approval Contact: (Visitor Message) / (Private Message) / (Map Reviewers)

 

[Legal_Ease]

@Hell_master: To upgrade you need a free amount of food for the next unit. To get extra food supply you must take creep camps and kill the structure. This will make the structure yours and give you more food. If another player later kills it, then you will lose it and it will become theirs. This should add some tension between creeping and defending your camps. I hope its fun. Of course once you become a hero, you should be more interested in leveling up and taking the Mountain from the Dwarf King.

^!

This is no longer an issue. Currently, you only need enough food supply to feed the unit you want to become.

 

[Binsu]

@Hell_master: To upgrade you need a free amount of food for the next unit. To get extra food supply you must take creep camps and kill the structure. This will make the structure yours and give you more food. If another player later kills it, then you will lose it and it will become theirs. This should add some tension between creeping and defending your camps. I hope its fun. Of course once you become a hero, you should be more interested in leveling up and taking the Mountain from the Dwarf King.

Now I understand, thanks and I shall give this map another try

 

[IcemanBo]

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[tab][tabheader]Good Points:[/tabheader]
- Good 3rd person view, you can see the wide landscape with it.
(also you can turn on/off rotation of camera)
- Overall I like the wide and hilly terrain, cool to run through world.
- I think well thinked amout of creep camps, not to much and not to rare.
- Big choice of units you can play, and some new cool custom spells (like jump for example)
- I like the idea of a pet very much, that can help you in fight.
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[tab][tabheader]Bad Points:[/tabheader]
- Why trees are selectable? :s
- Pleaese also give credits in game (but I'm sure you will anyway)
- At victory a player wins, but others dont lose
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- no real free world
[tab][tabheader]Suggestions:[/tabheader]
- When I'm on the mountain, my cam always goes crazy because I misclick so often between these 3 huge hills ... maybe you can change it a bit.
- If you kill mountain king, you can use leap onto one of these 3 snow hills and just wait there, please fix this.
- Maybe you could add a Multiboard which displays some player data. (transformation status, level, kills e.g.)
- Generally terrain looks good, but I think you can still improve it a bit: Maybe you could use a bit more variation of trees, and terrain-tiles could be mixed up a bit more
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All in all I really like the idea of this map. 4/5 currently +rep

And I'm pretty sure with some more input in terrain or new gameplay features it will get 5/5.

 

[Kazeon]

Reserved for review.~

you reserved a post for the review but then you posted a new post for the review?

 

[Binsu]

you reserved a post for the review but then you posted a new post for the review?

About to remove that right now for I always consider posting a new and fresh one to better know or notify the viewers or subscribers of the thread

And.... no offense, You posted something here just for this one minor matter...lol?

 

[Human_Alliance]

Cool map

 

[Mech_Warrior]

Honestly, the annoying cam system ruined what would otherwise probably be a pretty fun map. I could barely even use my units properly. Also is the murgul race supposed to cost Gold to pick?

Also, this is not related to the map itself but.... how on Earth did this map take less than half a week to get approved?!?! To my knowledge there are maps that have been in the pending for 2 months or more. If there's some mechanism to skip the normal queue, can I have in?

 

[Legal_Ease]

Honestly, the annoying cam system ruined what would otherwise probably be a pretty fun map. I could barely even use my units properly. Also is the murgul race supposed to cost Gold to pick?

Also, this is not related to the map itself but.... how on Earth did this map take less than half a week to get approved?!?! To my knowledge there are maps that have been in the pending for 2 months or more. If there's some mechanism to skip the normal queue, can I have in?

Yes, every unit costs gold including the Mur'loc Slave for the Naga race.

I know that the cam system can be tricky but there is no other way to show off the terrain in the same way. I will see if I can't improve on it. The Flood's system is probably the best GUI cam system on the Hive.

Thanks for the great feedback.

I have no idea how it got approved, maybe being a donor helped.

The cam system can now be turned on and off.
Food is now easier to come by. You only need enough food to buy each unit, after you buy a unit your "food used" is reset to zero.

 

[demonlord5000]

I'll reply for now since mech is afk currently. In terms of the camera...I'm not sure how you can improve it, but I'll mention its main flaws so you have an idea on what needs changed. It's been about a week I think since I last went in testing stuff, so sorry for the lack of any information.

I know you can adjust it with arrows, and turn off the auto rotation...but these don't help that much. For starts, if i turn off auto rotate, the camera will be really awkward if I want to go in a different direction..but if I leave it on...it's kinda disorienting. Also it's kinda hard to get that ideal view, even with the arrows. I had to constantly keep adjusting it for the game to even be playable.

One other issue I saw is since the camera is locked on, you cannot scroll across the map. While this is not a problem in itself, if you lose vision of your pet/skeletons from that one building, there is virtually no way to get them back to your hero.

Other flaws I know about is that with one race (one of the creep races, I forgot which one (I think murguls, but could be wrong)), can build free farms, making it extremely easy to evolve since you only needed to get resources.

One of the ogres ultimate upgrades let to a non hero unit, I'm not sure if this was intentional

One of the heros is quite broken, but as a result all of its other forms are quite weak (not really sure I like that). I forgot the hero name, but it was a ranged wizard with chaos damage that does like 100+ chaos damage, and I think he had 1500 range.

I noticed a lot of people got confused with your method of using food, and I think I know the source of the confusion. I'm guessing people think they only need 4 food limit, if the next upgrade only requires 4, because they would be losing the current unit in the process of said upgrade (so if you had a unit that cost 3, they think that they lose the 3 food unit, and then gain the 4 food unit, in that order), if that makes any sense. I think that might be source of peoples confusion.

I think there may be things I'm forgetting, but I can't remember them now. I hope this helps! Kinda sucks you don't know how it got approved so fast, I know we have been waiting months for his to get approved.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Other flaws I know about is that with one race (one of the creep races, I forgot which one (I think murguls, but could be wrong)), can build free farms, making it extremely easy to evolve since you only needed to get resources.

One of the ogres ultimate upgrades let to a non hero unit, I'm not sure if this was intentional

One of the heros is quite broken, but as a result all of its other forms are quite weak (not really sure I like that). I forgot the hero name, but it was a ranged wizard with chaos damage that does like 100+ chaos damage, and I think he had 1500 range.

Thanks so much for the feedback. You obviously did a very thorough review. See fixes in change log.

 

[MogulKahn]

Please change your map picture, because you stole it from DOTA !

 

[Legal_Ease]

Please change your map picture, because you stole it from DOTA !

NOW COMES Legal_Ease,

Free image for the preview picture can be found here. Even playdota.com does not know who the "author" is and lists it as unknown.

This message should not be construed as legal advice.

First off, Dota is not a company or person, rather it is a game style made and modified by players and modders. So I did not "steal" the art from dota because dota is not an entity and cannot therefore "own" anything.

Second, the artist who made the preview screen art I used no longer has a copyright and the art is considered public domain. A copyright can be lost when it is abandoned.

Third, most all preview screens used in maps found here use art from some other source and should be considered fair use. Examples of fair use typically involve, according to the Copyright Act of 1976, the reproduction of authored works for the purpose of "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching …, scholarship, or research" (17 U.S.C.A. § 107). Since this map and all maps posted on the hive are noncommercial in nature and used for educational purposes, no copyright infringement occurs when one map copies something else. See Tom and Jerry.

Finally, I don't know who the original artist is and if I did I would give them credit. I assure you the artist is not named Dota. I didn't "steal" anything and you should think twice about making such wild accusations.

So, no, I will take nothing down, but I will ask you politely to please remove your comment posted above so that my map thread does not contain this unnecessary argument. Once you edit your comment I will remove this post.

The Defense rests.

 

[MogulKahn]

http://kunkka.deviantart.com/art/Defense-of-the-Ancients-6-63-137492138

 

[The_New_Divide]

http://kunkka.deviantart.com/art/Defense-of-the-Ancients-6-63-137492138

What did you want tell us with this?

 

[Legal_Ease]

It has the name and copyright notice. Thank you MogulKahn, I will add credit to the artist. However, this would have been a much better conversation to have in private messages. Since, Kunkka made the art for Dota (an open source mod) I believe it was intended to be shared and reused as has been done many times. Also the copyright notice comes from deviant art, not kunkka, so I'm not even sure it applies. Please remove the content of your posts so that this thread is not filled with this off topic discussion.

As noted above the copyright has been "abandoned" and my use of it here I consider "fair use." Dota is not copyrightable and the art was given to dota as a coverscreen. Please stop posting replies publicly and contact me in PM.

 

[Vinz]

Looks amazing. Gonna give it a try soon..
Is cool, if only it had AI it would be better since I'd have a reason to grow; annihilating my enemies.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Looks amazing. Gonna give it a try soon..
Is cool, if only it had AI it would be better since I'd have a reason to grow; annihilating my enemies.

That's a good idea. If you want to write it, I will happily import it and add you to the credits. Currently, its really only fun as multi-player. But its kinda pretty and has nice sounds so single player won't be painfully boring.

 

[NailOoops]

When I become Goblin Blaster, I cannot pick up gold coins. It says I don't have an inventory so I cannot pick up gold coins

 

[Legal_Ease]

When I become Goblin Blaster, I cannot pick up gold coins. It says I don't have an inventory so I cannot pick up gold coins

Oops, I fixed it. See New Update. There are a couple other bugs people pointed out too. This next version should be much cleaner. Thanks for pointing that out!

 

[infrenus]

theresa huge game breaker wth the crypt lord hero

The carrin sumon respawn after dieing and the lord can summon another one. Then after a while you have a huge tide of respawing carrions if you take the book structure that spawn corpses.

 

[Legal_Ease]

theresa huge game breaker wth the crypt lord hero

The carrin sumon respawn after dieing and the lord can summon another one. Then after a while you have a huge tide of respawing carrions if you take the book structure that spawn corpses.

I'm not sure I understand. I didn't change the carrion beatles or the carrion spell, so I don't know how this would be different from the usual game.

As for the corpse spawning from the summoning pedestal, that is on purpose. Its a hard creep-camp to kill but if you get it, you get skeleton soldiers to fight for you. But, someone else can fairly easily go and kill the pedestal and make it their own, So its actually fairly balanced.

 

[infrenus]

I'm not sure I understand. I didn't change the carrion beatles or the carrion spell, so I don't know how this would be different from the usual game.

As for the corpse spawning from the summoning pedestal, that is on purpose. Its a hard creep-camp to kill but if you get it, you get skeleton soldiers to fight for you. But, someone else can fairly easily go and kill the pedestal and make it their own, So its actually fairly balanced.

THe problen is that when a carrion die, thew game somehow thinks its the pet, and respawn it on the start position, but doesnt count the carrion on the crypt lord five ones, letting he spawn more of then. It's more that. The bones respawning arent the problem, only if you exploit this respawn problen.

 

[Legal_Ease]

THe problen is that when a carrion die, thew game somehow thinks its the pet, and respawn it on the start position, but doesnt count the carrion on the crypt lord five ones, letting he spawn more of then. It's more that. The bones respawning arent the problem, only if you exploit this respawn problen.

Thanks! I'll check that out.

 

[neo_sluf]

hey legal_ease did you tell ice frog that you will use his loading screen?.. i think you should post it at www.playdota.com... just to respect the owner..

BTW Nice map...

 

[Binsu]

@neo_sluf
That issue has been handled already on the above posts I do think.

 

[Legal_Ease]

FIXED: Sunken Ruins UI HumanTile04.blp
For whatever reason viiva's Tile04.blp wasn't working and at the end of his resource thread there is a pastebin link posted by someone really nice with a fixed version.

 

[fr14nd1]

It looks good, trying it now

Edit: Trying the map alone, and it's good enough.
BTW, there are some errors on the tooltips. For example, the Shadow Wolf Upgrade and the Naga King Watery Minion Spell.
4/5 and +Rep!

 

[IamFootman061]

This looks amazing.

 

[MasterTrainer]

If you could please fix the broken pictures that'd be great )

EDIT: Yeah umm it turns out that something was wrong with my browser that rendered it broken... turns out they weren't. Sorry )

 

[Dark-Zalor]

Or make a picture where Moghul Khann is presents

I'm afraid about Culling Blade!!!!!

 

[Streak]

ow nice heres a smile

 

[epickmen]

Mind making a better map becouse if worior dies u have no other chanse and nobody kills u....

 

[TheOgreNecromancer]

This game has ogres, I love ogres.

-Ogre approved.

 

[TheSepulcher]

am i missing something? because i couldnt open the map

 

[Legal_Ease]

am i missing something? because i couldnt open the map

Yes, you must be missing something. Did you try it in TFT or WE?

 

[deepstrasz]

It has an interesting concept but it's very slow paced.

 

[HailToTheHorse]

How do I download this mod, it isn't working for me?

 

[Paillan]

How do I download this mod, it isn't working for me?

This is not a mod, it's a map
Bold still not fixed eh?

 

[HailToTheHorse]

This is not a mod, it's a map
Bold still not fixed eh?

yeah i put in my frozen throne scenarios and it's not working