[Spell] make a perfect Dummy Hero ?

[Vladadamm]

Hello,

For a spell i made, i needed to have a Dummy which is an Hero.

But, i have some esthetics and mechanics problem :

1. How can i hide the Dummy's Hero Icon ? [SOLVED]
2. How can i make that this dummy don't steal others heroes xp without using custom xp system ?

 

[limuka]

You sure you cant do it with a normal unit dummy cause you cant remove the hero icon.
I'd just say try to find a way to use a non-hero dummy if possible

 

[Vladadamm]

My spell is a "Mirror Attack". The dummy must deal the same damages as the hero.

 

[limuka]

Well i cant help you then since its impossible to remove the hero icons...

 

[Maker]

You could create an illusion, order a dummy to use wand of illusion on the hero. Configuire the illusion ability.

Or create another unit type, that is a copy of the original. Disable hero icon in object editor, Stats - Hero - Hide hero interface icon.

 

[defskull]

Or create another unit type, that is a copy of the original. Disable hero icon in object editor, Stats - Hero - Hide hero interface icon.

There you have it.

 

[Vladadamm]

@Limuka : When you aren't sure at 99%, say that you think it's impossible and not that's impossible.

They did a spell like this in dota (called Geminate Attack) which make a double attack. So i knew that was possible, but just i didn't knew how

@Maker : Ty, +rep to you. i nerver saw these lines (with Stats-Hero-Hide death messages and Stats-Hero-Hide hero icon on minimap) because i never needed it before.

@defskull : your post wasn't very usefull ^^ I've ever used the second technic quoted by Maker, but just i needed the end.


So, now i just need an answer without hard triggering of the 2).

 

[Maker]

You can try these actions one or the other could work, however I have not tested them.

• Hero - Disable experience gain for *unit*
• Unit - Remove classification of A Hero from *unit*

 

[Vladadamm]

The disable experience alone don't work, but i'll try with the remove classification. Will edit this post soon.

Edit :

The dummy still steal xp.

 

[defskull]

Explain more about "the dummy still steal xp" ?

You have disabled its xp gain, and the xp of the unit still rises up (purple xp bar) ?

Or it divides half the original xp for both original hero and copied hero ?

 

[Vladadamm]

Explain more about "the dummy still steal xp" ?

You have disabled its xp gain, and the xp of the unit still rises up (purple xp bar) ?

Or it divides half the original xp for both original hero and copied hero ?

I don't know if the dummy gain the xp, because it's locusted and stay on the map 1second max.

I just see my Hero gain 10xp instead of 20xp in the test map when a monster die when dummy is alive. (so it reduces the gained xp from the nearby other heroes.)

 

[defskull]

Even if your unit is Locusted, it steal will be able to gain exp

But since you have disabled it, it won't gain any exp but beware that even it is disable, it still will affect the exp distribution among other hero unit (because it is counted as Hero unit)

The only way to do this is to double the monster's normal exp gain (but that would disturb the balancing of the game)

Hmmm, why not you use a simple dummy, changed the dummy (normal unit) model into Hero model ?

Wait, you're talking about Geminate Attack-like ability ?

I'll do it for you momentarily (doesn't require any dummy at all, it is based on ability, wait here, I'll create for you)

 

[Vladadamm]

No, don't make it for me.

It's not exactly like Geminate Attack, but the princip is quite same.

I'm doing this ability for a contest (on another forum) and so, i need to do things by myself.

 

[defskull]

I will still provide you the Geminate Attack test map (perhaps it can give some ideas to start ?)

You can manipulate it I think

Or so, I'll try to do another solution for it

 

[Vladadamm]

It's not exactly what i want to do. Because i want the dummy hero be the symetric (with the attacked unit as point of symetrie) of the real hero. And s, i cannot use your solution for this.

 

[defskull]

Why don't you make the hero's illusion to deal damage ?
Create the illusion of the Hero, and order it to attack the unit once, and kills it.

 

[Vladadamm]

I want it to use the orb effects, bash, criticals, etc... from the Hero. But illusion don't do it.

 

[Narogog]

you could have the unit be made for neutral hostile,
and then use a damage detection system to have the
creator of said copy deal the damage, ie you heal the
unit and then have the original hero damage the unit with
the amount that it was damaged.

 

[Vladadamm]

Or not, it must be my personnal work ^^ So, i won't use gdd for this spell. I'll see if it's possible with constants, stats and hero max level.

 

[Narogog]

well, you could make your own damage detection for the hero....

 

[defskull]

If you're using dummy, you must get the actual damage of the Hero before dealing the damage through trigger/normal attack/orb effect

But to know that, I think you're gonna need an external system (Damage Detection System) to detect the Hero's damage first, and then give it to the dummy

A different way will happen if you use Illusion-base technique, since it copies the Hero directly so it knows the actual damage and such but it seems the illusion is limited to orb effects and such

 

[Vladadamm]

I think i'll just enable te xp gain of the dummy and make him give all of his xp to the real hero.