Lord of the Clans (Classic SD)

[Moderator]

Bob27: A good campaign. One thing that I think could be improved is the terrain, but still a very good campaign.

Approved.

 

[OutsiderXE]

Thanks for uploading this here. Although I would have rather seen it being uploaded side by side with Day of the Dragon. But since DotD is over 50MB this would probably have been impossible.

 

[rococho]

an excellent campaign, has some very interesting features which make a chance from the "go here, kill this" quests

 

[High-Elven Prince]

Very good campaign, it can get slightly boring sometimes, otherwise great.

 

[Nonas]

I agree with Bob27, the terrain could make a huge difference, and the model of thrall could be other.
I really like this campaign but there are some pretty boring quests...

 

[knight26]

what can i say it sucksss..............Nahhhhhh just kiding its cool i agree its sometimes boring but its cool.

 

[Rui]

I liked the mini-games, although I expected Chapter Seven to be far more interesting. Also, there are some parts left to the traduce. Terrain could also have been far better.

This campaign gets a 7 (Very Good) from me.

 

[mrgreedy27]

This map is so coool hahah i love it

 

[Blackmorsel]

I've only played about half of it, but so far I can say it's a very solid, good campaign. It's entertaining and it represents Thrall's story well.

A bit more variety and improvement of terrain (as many have already stated) could be used.

8/10

 

[alix]

I have played until the lone wolf (chapter 4) so far.
I think I found a bug, in the form is that Thrall status (max HP, level and inventory) from chapter 3 is not kept in chapter 4. Instead, I got the max HP, level and inventory from chapter 2.
This makes the bonus HP from finishing optional quest in chapter 3 dissapear. Anyway this is an excellent campaign, salute to the creator of this campaign.

 

[Von Rex]

I was looking for this campaign to play for the fourth or fifth time, and I was so surprised to see a review of mine from 14 years ago, not recommending this campaign because of all the mini-games. My earlier self was very dumb. The mini-games are intrusive, but this is one of the best campaigns ever made. Play it all the way through, it's awesome. So is the developer. I am humbled by his response.


Post edited due to accumulated wisdom.

 

[OutsiderXE]

The reason for the mini-games being in there is that I saw a huge problem with letting the player control only a single unit for most of the time, I couldn't add more units out of nowhere and I just never liked the idea of simple "move-from-A-to-B-and-kill-everything-in-your-path"-Maps, so I wanted to add some variety.
I understand your argument, it's one of these hate-or-love-situations. You either like for the diversion or you hate it because it feels out of place.

Please check out my other campaign 'Day of the Dragon' if you haven't already. Thanks to the existence of multiple heroes I could eliminate every mini-game possibilty (No keyboard-controls, no dodge-games, (almost) no timelimited missions) and create something that feels more normal, without losing too much of the variety.

 

[Freelance]

Great campaign, though i am only about half way through (curse those pigs that want to escape grrrrr)bit challenging in some parts, but keep up the good work

8/10

 

[George2307]

A Very Good Campaign with Great Minigames (*not including the one where you have to capture the pigs)
Excellent! 9/10!

 

[Pszczolek]

Great campaign, fun minigames (there is even pacman xD), story right with the book. The autor put a lot of effort into this campaign, and you can see it. I found only small bugs, that don't affect gameplay much. I give 5/5

 

[Lucifer-Mortus]

great camapgin but u havent described Grom Helscream too good,his personality in your map is like normal thrall.He kills everything that he likes to battle and things like that he wont spare a human child that is for certain
Continue this campaign with orc story

 

[templar81]

Amazing campain but im stuck on the last level in the underground bit when i use the teleporter i get stuck at that other side and the button does nothing and the gate and rocks there are invinsiable so is this a bug or im a doing it wrong plz help

 

[OutsiderXE]

I don't know about invisible gates or rocks, but the idea was to:
1. destroy a crate
2. hit that sheep that comes out of the crate so it moves onto the switch.
3. repeat until you get to the two switches where you have to move thrall onto one the switches and the sheep to the other

careful with hitting the sheep too often. If it dies you'll be able to get a new one.

 

[Code Lyoko]

Okay I'm in chapter 4 in that pig-minigame where you need to catch pigs, and I survived only 1 minute!! IT'S TOO HARD TO SURVIVE 3 MINUTES!!! Could that time reduce a LITTLE bit? I saved last time at the start of the "pacman" minigame, and now I need to do it again aaargh!!

Otherwise this campaign is great, great storyline and that!

4/5 (-1 cause of that pig-minigame, aaargh! )

 

[OutsiderXE]

Yeah, lot of people compained about the pigs being too hard. I can only give gameplay hints, no way to circumvent:
1. play on slowest speed.
2. use hotkey for the net-item.
3. Not sure, but I think the left side is the one where they come often and slow, position yourself there (at the front of the screen, away from the pig-nests) and move only to the right when necessary.
4.save during that quest, whenever you feel save.

 

[Code Lyoko]

Yaaay! Pig-bug!

Yeah, lot of people compained about the pigs being too hard. I can only give gameplay hints, no way to circumvent:
1. play on slowest speed.
2. use hotkey for the net-item.
3. Not sure, but I think the left side is the one where they come often and slow, position yourself there (at the front of the screen, away from the pig-nests) and move only to the right when necessary.
4.save during that quest, whenever you feel save.

I did all of that but guess what? I FOUND A BUG! You know that not more than 7 pigs must not get to grain? Well 9 of them passed and I still completed the quest!
Currently in chapter 7.

 

[donald333]

its fun to play it is great story of thrall and the pac man stuff is funny as hell but the pig thing I belive is to hard so I cant get past it

 

[OutsiderXE]

its fun to play it is great story of thrall and the pac man stuff is funny as hell but the pig thing I belive is to hard so I cant get past it

Stay on the side where most pigs come from, on the front of the screen. play it on slowest game speed. use hotkey to ensnare instead of the mouse. save the game whenever you feel save.

 

[Zaljinzoo]

Heya I'm not sure if you'll see this but would I get in trouble for using some of the models? I'm trying to make a campaign but I NEED those models, and I'll give yah credit if you want? Lol please?

 

[OutsiderXE]

I didn't create any of them anyway. Most of them were found on websites like wc3sear.ch, wc3campaigns.net or the hive. Some were custom-made for me but I can't exactly remember who did what

 

[knutknut]

in the quest thrall shall rescue the pigs whit the help of the raiders the rainders allways block me so i can't continue playing


ssrrry i writed this a little fast

 

[deathreaven]

I beat the pigs easily. What you do is hover close to the grains and use hotkeys for net. The left side has the fastest pigs. This map does a good job in following the book, but DoD is better. That may be because of the more in depth story and longer book.

 

[OutsiderXE]

...This map does a good job in following the book, but DoD is better. That may be because of the more in depth story and longer book.

Or maybe because I had more experience in creating campaigns

I took a good look at LotC and what could be improved in terms of storytelling. One big point for example was that I wanted to have a lot less narrative elements and let the story be told by the characters. Thus in DotD I only added a narrator at the very beginning and end of a mission. I also made sure that the cutscenes weren't too long, though that could probably've been improved.

but you also right, the book did make some stuff easier. For example, I could let the story be told from different perspectives, so I could add more heroes and skills that come with them, thus have more varied "normal" gameplay instead of mini-games.

Balancing book-story vs gameplay-ideas is one of the hardest parts in making these campaigns (though it is nothign compared to the work someone puts into a fresh and well-done story)

@knutknut

I am not sure, but you could try to kill a raider, usually you can still win the quest with one dead.

 

[saphiree]

i dint have any problems with the pig Q either. I did it in first try. But i think i was one or two pigs from loosing. Anyway i also think that DotD was better. but this is still a 5/5 2!! GJ.

I love ya campaigns and i wanna know when you think your done with ya next. cus they are rly GREAT!!!

And i killed a raider cus it blocked my path. And it just dies. then his friends made a few hits on me and i could continue.

 

[OutsiderXE]

i dint have any problems with the pig Q either. I did it in first try. But i think i was one or two pigs from loosing. Anyway i also think that DotD was better. but this is still a 5/5 2!! GJ.

I love ya campaigns and i wanna know when you think your done with ya next. cus they are rly GREAT!!!

And i killed a raider cus it blocked my path. And it just dies. then his friends made a few hits on me and i could continue.

Yeah, the hitting is sort of a warning not to do that, even though I let you kill a raider on purpose because I used to have the blocking-raider-problem myself several times an I thought killing a raider was the simplest solution (instead of redoing lots of the trigger-work on this quest)



Despite my comment in the .txt that's supposed to come with my projects I really am working on a new project. It'll be smaller and easier, but very different from the other projects. And I hope to get it done before SCII comes. I'll probably create a thread in the forum with detailed information about it to gather some feedback, when I think the time is right.

 

[Kerris]

reminds me of the second book...

 

[ScorpionKing]

Nice

This is a nice Hitory and its very nice made.
I realy like this map and jsut say very nice work.

 

[OutsiderXE]

You can check out the new project here: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...ast-guardian-book-to-campaign-project-128614/

Please post your thoughts there.

 

[Beronin]

loved the maps and the gameplay
makes me remember why the horde is one of my favourites

 

[Aceed]

Oooh, I'll try this out and reflect my opinion soon. I just love the lore, so it's nice to see someone making a campaign out of a classic like LotC.

 

[gagis20]

Great campaing awsome story.

 

[rednas3636]

are all these the dialogues etc. from the cancelled game?

 

[Zefon]

Super awsome campaign. My fav (better than Med_Map_Guy's) And models are wicked. Please take them and put them on TheHiveWorkshop please.(Btw, Ogrim as the Furhur was desturbing) Also, for those people stuck on pig mini game , go to the grain and use the hot key and you'll do it easy. --Dont forget, Aedalas Blackmoore didnt die that way, If you watch the "Lord of the Clans" Vidio, thrall said "TONIGHT YOU DINE IN HELL" And killed aedalas.
(Uber Kampagne. Meine FAV (besser als med_map_guy's) und Modelle sind Wicked. Bitte nehmen sie und stellen Sie sie auf thehiveworkshop bitte.(übrigens, ogrim als furhur wurde desturbing) auch für diejenigen Leute Stuck über die Schweine Mini Spiel , gehen Sie auf das Getreide und benutzen Sie die Hot Key und sie machen es einfach.)

 

[saphiree]

Dude. Im not sure you're allowed to write on german on this site...

 

[OutsiderXE]

are all these the dialogues etc. from the cancelled game?

no. they are from the book which is partly based on the game.

 

[Kidox]

I'm playing It , I'm now in 4th charapter and I think its very good but, there are some parts not traduced, aswell as the Raiders vs Gnolls quest is very hard in the beggining I had to kill one of them because I was stuck xD, they are following us , and sometimes they block us >.> Well the terraining , ppl says that it would be better if improved, I think its not that bad It's simple, but enought ^^
I'm liking it

 

[saphiree]

no. they are from the book which is partly based on the game.

Lol you sure the book is based on the game, and not the other way around? XD

I'm playing It , I'm now in 4th charapter and I think its very good but, there are some parts not traduced, aswell as the Raiders vs Gnolls quest is very hard in the beggining I had to kill one of them because I was stuck xD, they are following us , and sometimes they block us >.> Well the terraining , ppl says that it would be better if improved, I think its not that bad It's simple, but enought ^^
I'm liking it

I still think it would be nice if it was improved. It looks very blizzardish. It IS some of the best "Blizzardish" Terrain ive seen, but trying to go further, you could for instance remove blizzard cliffs, and add some with the raise/lower tool. But im not sure if it would require another WE if it should look really good.

 

[OutsiderXE]

Lol you sure the book is based on the game, and not the other way around? XD

From Wikipedia: "The game was originally slated for a Q4 1997 release; however it was pushed back until the end of 1998." and then it was cancelled.
The book was released in July 2003 (Amazon.com)

If the game weren't cancelled I don't think Blizzard would have it turned into one of the first books (what I really used to like about all the books is that they touched a unique plotline that was never before heard of... until the WoW-books came...)

Terrain-wise: well, LotC has my very first Warcraft-maps. For today's possibilities and ideas the terrain is lacking but back in 2005 when it was first released it was all right.

 

[Wyvernoid]

5/5, the storyline and the words are very touching and they just sound professional; and the gameplay is not bad.

 

[TomiTomo]

autosave

i died in pacman then restart from the pig.... i hate the pig mini game D= can set autosave ? =] or a hint "save your game oftenly!"

 

[Khaled]

LOL i brought this book yesterday inlcluding the day of the dragon and the last guardian

 

[FlowerofSpeech]

It's great I don't have to read Lord of the Clans, lol (just don't have time to wade through it) – really I've always wondered why Thrall left Durnholde and went back, this campaign pretty much gave me a better appreciation for Thrall's character.

Although the terrain is lacking as others have said, it's not bad considering its release date and although there were numerous typos the dialogue went smoothly. Great work.

 

[OutsiderXE]

I reckon it takes as much time to play through this campaign as it does reading the book. The book will give you exact information on the lore while the campaign may change some things in order to go along more smoothly with the invented gameplay. Although, if I hadn't been able to translate Thrall's background from this book to my liking I would probably not have done it at all.
I think the process of mixing new gameplay elementes with a preexisting story went better in Day of the Dragon because I left out a neutral narrator. Let the characters tell the story.

 

[jupi9999]

what program do i need to make it work? pls tell me