Legion TD Mega 3.5 (B4) + 3.41 unprotect

[HuanAk]

i usually play with 7/6, i keep pushing it forward for that pro title, to see if i could make it, even if it's not 3.4
the point is, if the title were in 3.3, it would've been easy, but here you get close to 0 gold per lvl if your research is too high for that lvl (7/5 at lvl 13 for example). its crazy hard to get back to value after 7/6 unless your team leaks.

I havn't play for long time.

I can play in next few day to get the feeling.

but if I release 3.4 this weekend, then 3.5 won't be long. will see how it going.

 

[iamthekira]

huge bug on b14:
if a player leaves from east (didnt have any leavers in west yet) the other players drop at the beginning of the next lvl.
happened 3 times on 3v3.

 

[HuanAk]

huge bug on b14:
if a player leaves from east (didnt have any leavers in west yet) the other players drop at the beginning of the next lvl.
happened 3 times on 3v3.

do you mean :
- someone leave (at any time)
- then a random player will crash when wave start ?

I need more detail on these information:
- player number of leaver
- palyer number of crash player

so I can find out if any relationship between them. (see if it cause by W3MMD code when player is leave)

 

[m05he_d4j4n]

b14

noticed that same bug on b14 at 3vs3
i think it was player 3 left, player 6 got kicked at next lvl, but im not 100% sure if it was this player numbers

 

[HuanAk]

I googled and found there are quiet a few post with W3MMD causes desync problems.

It usually happen when :
- Whenever a player is kicked/leave, a massive desync occurs.

I will try, but not sure if I can fix them.

 

[MastaKilla]

Hi huan,

good work so far!

I did 2 b14 games.

First game Yellow (P5) got disconnected in Round 9 (ECONNRESET), right next round, when wave 10 started, massive disconnects happened. Last things I could see: blue got disconnected as well, and then I was disconnected (i was red (P1)). Last thing my bot reported was that a Desync was detected and some players are in different gamestates.. couldnt see more.. and i left after that.

Next game was like.. hm .. in round 15 Teal (P3) left (no kick, no discon), but it didnt happen anything here. Game went on as usual. In Round 17 blue (P2) left (no kick, no discon) and game went on as well. Game ended due to noobs in round 20

Just in case you'd still need input on that.

Keep up the good work!
greets,
masta

edit: in 3.3 the hcl commands work flawless. as soon as the game starts the hcl command is set and you can pick a race. ever since the 3.35 betas the hcl is set, but we have to wait till the inital 15 seconds passed to set a mode. the preset hcl command however is accepted correctly afterwards, but it's annoying having to wait till the 15 seconds passed. tried it with hcl command "apglcb".

and i think 10/25 is too expensive for PanicX without income, unless it's your intention to force players do more lisks, egzes, huans and less panicx's . tried merc on b12 or b13 and it was kinda hard to perform a proper switch from merc to race.

 

[HuanAk]

Hi huan,

good work so far!

I did 2 b14 games.

First game Yellow (P5) got disconnected in Round 9 (ECONNRESET), right next round, when wave 10 started, massive disconnects happened. Last things I could see: blue got disconnected as well, and then I was disconnected (i was red (P1)). Last thing my bot reported was that a Desync was detected and some players are in different gamestates.. couldnt see more.. and i left after that.

Next game was like.. hm .. in round 15 Teal (P3) left (no kick, no discon), but it didnt happen anything here. Game went on as usual. In Round 17 blue (P2) left (no kick, no discon) and game went on as well. Game ended due to noobs in round 20

Just in case you'd still need input on that.

Thank for report, I will try see if I can fix them. if not then I have to disable W3MMD untill I know how to modified his W3MMD code.




Keep up the good work!
greets,
masta

edit: in 3.3 the hcl commands work flawless. as soon as the game starts the hcl command is set and you can pick a race. ever since the 3.35 betas the hcl is set, but we have to wait till the inital 15 seconds passed to set a mode. the preset hcl command however is accepted correctly afterwards, but it's annoying having to wait till the 15 seconds passed. tried it with hcl command "apglcb".

lucky you post this ! nobody told me this so I didn't know, this is easy change then. ( and 3.35 is rollback from 3.2 because I lost 3.3 source code)

and i think 10/25 is too expensive for PanicX without income, unless it's your intention to force players do more lisks, egzes, huans and less panicx's . tried merc on b12 or b13 and it was kinda hard to perform a proper switch from merc to race.

merc will like this for this version:
- it can defend up to levle 30 by himself (without change builder),
- he can't cause any trouble to other team (can't buy mass summon anymore)
- become very boring race.
- this race is for noob that leak 50% with not chance to catch up, and they don't want to leave.

will see how Merc go for 1 version.

 

[MastaKilla]

merc will like this for this version:
- it can defend up to levle 30 by himself (without change builder),
- he can't cause any trouble to other team (can't buy mass summon anymore)
- become very boring race.
- this race is for noob that leak 50% with not chance to catch up, and they don't want to leave.

will see how Merc go for 1 version.

Ok, it just came to my mind. I am no merc fan anyway, i just try them every 3-4 betas usually i do hpglcb mode or apglcb, as long as li is included

lol @ hcl error i was following this thread quite a while, just always too lazy to register here. usually i reported the discovered bugs right to panic, who gave them to you

cheers

 

[HuanAk]

Ok, it just came to my mind. I am no merc fan anyway, i just try them every 3-4 betas usually i do hpglcb mode or apglcb, as long as li is included

lol @ hcl error i was following this thread quite a while, just always too lazy to register here. usually i reported the discovered bugs right to panic, who gave them to you

cheers

I miss PanicX/Morijarti

I used to play with them and got lots of feedback, I havn't got time to play this map since I start making 3.35 beta.

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do you know any easy way to test W3MMD?

I think I have to modified/disable some of W3MMD code that cause desyncs, or use older W3MMD Library that doesn't have tamper detection/raise guard function. but I don't know if W3MMD still work after modified/use older version.

I believe those detection/raise guard function cause lots of network traffic and may result in desyncs
(It raise security level when player leave, and send up mass flow of traffic to all user for higher security check !! I don't really care about security on replay, if someone use maphack to give fake replay's data, I don't really care )

 

[gameking2010]

hade 's too much weaker than before, because of the 2 minute cool down skill and necromancer too, please turn it back to normal (with no cool down, just summon immediately when sp regen), thank
b14 in hp profet mode, all t2 disconnect at lv2

 

[MAgmapolis]

What is pro efect and master ability?

 

[iamthekira]

do you mean :
- someone leave (at any time)
- then a random player will crash when wave start ?

I need more detail on these information:
- player number of leaver
- palyer number of crash player

so I can find out if any relationship between them. (see if it cause by W3MMD code when player is leave)

in case the other guys didn't make it clear:
it was a 3vs3 game.
say at lvl 7 somebody from east quit the game.
at the start of lvl 8 the other two players from east got disconnected.
simple as that always on 3v3 games, dont know if it happens with 4v4 too.

 

[HuanAk]

Beta 15 is out :

* Modified W3MMD, let me know if it still disconnected
(W3MMD only update 5 seconds after wave end, to avoid mass data traffic)

* Hostbot hcl should start game immediate without wait 15 seconds (let me know if this still not work)
* change votekick to -vk

undo all nerfed
- orc (same as 3.3)
- artic (same as 3.3)
- Hade (same as 3.3)
- mecenary (same as 3.3)
- remove all cooldown
- remove income/bonus gold cap
- remove anti cheat ( I only support hostbot from now on)

 

[HuanAk]

in case the other guys didn't make it clear:
it was a 3vs3 game.
say at lvl 7 somebody from east quit the game.
at the start of lvl 8 the other two players from east got disconnected.
simple as that always on 3v3 games, dont know if it happens with 4v4 too.

Let me know if Beta 15 still have desyncs problem.

desync is not disconnect. it is :
- server split
- players who "disconnect" still playing by themself like in single player
- and he didn't know he is disconnected
- all he know is "other player" disconnected

 

[iamthekira]

-votekick doesn't work (nor does -vk)
-the oracles don't attack on magic lvls unless they're the last units alive
-players are still getting disconnected. it was just lvl 2, a guy in the east dropped, 5 seconds later the other two got disconnected (the next lvl hadn't started yet)
-three or four units got stuck while defending the king and wouldn't attack. don't remember the lvl, probably 16. only happened once.
-the wolverines are walking halfway down the king's hall again

 

[Sercan]

B15 / lvl10 bugg 4v4 kicked whole 4 players from east side

Hi Huan,

As first of all keep it up the good work so far!

We just played 1 game 4v4 in this new B15 version, everything was going nicely till lvl 10(boss lvl) so before lvl 10 started the 4 players from the whole east side got kicked at the same time. It was weird bugg but funny lol i just keept continue the game till first arena and east side had 4 turtles after that we left the game.

I hope u can fix this bugg.

thnx.

 

[Tesh]

Seems Awesome

 

[Saucer]

Hostbot
- add W3MMD for hostbot
- hcl command will disable -votekick or -kick
- hcl with "0" won't trigger hcl command

Perfect.

here is detail for W3MMD stat :

"player_name" // set up at beginning, never update again (do I need update it ?)

No update should be necessary, I think.

Could you please also add player_slot? Just the number (1 to 8... or 0 to 7... whatever.. just as long as its there). Thanks.

all stat below are update 2 time every wave
"race" //string

Great. So, if 1 race played, it would look like this:

"mech"​

But if many races played (CB) then could you please make it a comma-seperated list, like this?

"mech,beast,shadow,nature,element"​

So every time a race is selected / cb'ed:

(pseudo jass code)

set i = player number

if (udg_something[i] == "") then
  set udg_something[i] = new_race
else
  set udg_something[i] = udg_something[i] + "," + new_race
endif

udg_something is a string array that you use just for this purpose.

And then simply read udg_something everytime you update the W3MMD.

Well, allright, you probably don't need me to tell you how to do this

But a race list would be nice, and preferably listed in the same sequence that the races got played (as in the example above).

"value" // everything from here are "int"
"income"
"kills"
"leaked"
"leak_caught"
"gold_total"
"gold_income"
"lumber_total"
"wisp"
"lumberjack"
"food_used"
"summons_sent"
"king_upgrade"
"level"
"time" // total game time minutes, I can do seconds if you think it is better.

Looks great.

Game time minutes is good, but I think seconds is better.

FlagPlayer: FLAG_LOSER, FLAG_WINNER, FLAG_LEAVER, FLAG_PRACTICING

for Flag:
- leave before Game end = FLAG_LEAVER
- update every wave = FLAG_PRACTICING
- Game End final update : either FLAG_LOSER or FLAG_WINNER

Excellent. I like this.

Could you also add FlagTeam? Like this:

- update every wave = FLAG_UNKNOWN
- Game End final update : either FLAG_LOSER or FLAG_WINNER

So regardless if he is a leaver or not, then in the end we will always know if his/her team is Winner or Loser.

You see, we might want to know the Win/Loss ratio of the player... so if he/she can leave just before game is lost, well... you see where i'm going with this.

Of course, we could (on the bot side of things) calculate it from the FlagPlayer of the other players, if we're clever about it.. but it would just be so much easier with a FlagTeam win/loss info

Value is update when:
- wave start
- wave end
- player leave event (include vote kicked)
- Game end (after display message "the highest value is : HuanAK")

Make sense. Cool.




MastaKilla will do some testing of the W3MMD tonight.

 

[MastaKilla]

Ok, i got first results and some bugs.

1.) hcl commands are accepted immediately now, thx
2.) -votekick/-vk wont work, if hcl is set, ok. but then 10 seconds later it is still announced to type -votekick to kick ppl. 2 faults here. 1st: it is -vk now and 2nd: it's not -vk at all, if hcl is set
3.) -vk works, when no hcl, BUT: i called a votekick, the window with the names appears and the stats window top/right (names, values, wisps, lumber..) disappears. after the vote ended (it was 1 yes, 5 no, 2 i dont care), the stats window reappeared. but then if type -vk and press the cancel button after some seconds, the stats window wont show up again! (and no, i didnt collapse the view
4.) ever since the betas the money after all units are killed, comes way faster imo. on 3.3 when all units are killed you have like 2 seconds to spend all lumber to push income. now its like <1 second. i miss income very often due to that .. as i am used to buying spawns at the very last ever since 1.50b i guess thats also due to the 3.2 remodelling?
5.) no disconnect problem for now. had a 4v4 game, green left, then its 4v3. after that blue player disconnected on purpose, message was ECONNRESET, but noone else got disconnected or desync game. but iamthekira still seems to have problems?! but i cant confirm it for now... will see what happens in a few more games..
6.) w3mmd data is saved in mysql db, but kinda incomplete?!

mysql> select * from w3mmdvars;
+-----+-------+--------+-----+--------------+-----------+------------+-------------------+
| id  | botid | gameid | pid | varname      | value_int | value_real | value_string      |
+-----+-------+--------+-----+--------------+-----------+------------+-------------------+
|   1 |     0 |  29517 |   0 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Shadow"          |
|   2 |     0 |  29517 |   2 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Elf"             |
|   3 |     0 |  29517 |   3 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Paladin"         |
|   4 |     0 |  29517 |   4 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Hybrid"          |
|   5 |     0 |  29517 |   5 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Prophet"         |
|   6 |     0 |  29517 |   6 | player_name  |      NULL |       NULL | "k-hyeon"         |
|   7 |     0 |  29517 |   6 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Hybrid"          |

thats the first entries in my w3mmd db and just one name was recoreded?! it was a 3v3 game.
Next game was 4v4 (but except for me, 7 new players).
thats all that was recorded now (all player related stuff..). there is of course more values stored in db, but i cant crosscheck all of them manually

|  98 |     0 |  29523 |   0 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Demi-Human"      |
|  99 |     0 |  29523 |   1 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Prophet"         |
| 100 |     0 |  29523 |   2 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Prophet"         |
| 101 |     0 |  29523 |   3 | player_name  |      NULL |       NULL | "2010.dineaeaeae" |
| 102 |     0 |  29523 |   3 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Undead"          |
| 103 |     0 |  29523 |   4 | player_name  |      NULL |       NULL | "atoz"            |
| 104 |     0 |  29523 |   4 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Shadow"          |
| 105 |     0 |  29523 |   5 | player_name  |      NULL |       NULL | "tolgamaX"        |
| 106 |     0 |  29523 |   5 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Mech"            |
| 107 |     0 |  29523 |   6 | player_name  |      NULL |       NULL | "l_say_lIoII"     |
| 108 |     0 |  29523 |   7 | player_name  |      NULL |       NULL | "bzykboss"        |
| 109 |     0 |  29523 |   7 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Undead"          |

Totally started 4 games, i play as Kreutertee. But in first game (gameid = 29517) there were several leaver, but the leaver value is 0 everywhere. in the other game then there is leaver = 1 in some cases...
the leaver/winner.. well, i ended the games twice with a bot command-> !end, but on gameid = 29528 we lost by selling all units in round 5 king died and game ended like it is supposed to be. i saw the 25 second countdown .. 20 .. 15 .. but no winner/loser flag here?!

mysql> select * from w3mmdplayers;
+----+-------+------------+--------+-----+-----------------+--------+--------+------------+
| id | botid | category   | gameid | pid | name            | flag   | leaver | practicing |
+----+-------+------------+--------+-----+-----------------+--------+--------+------------+
|  1 |     0 | legionmega |  29517 |   0 | kreutertee      |        |      0 |          1 |
|  2 |     0 | legionmega |  29517 |   5 | tinoes          |        |      0 |          1 |
|  3 |     0 | legionmega |  29517 |   3 | manujgc         |        |      0 |          1 |
|  4 |     0 | legionmega |  29517 |   2 | luciferks       |        |      0 |          1 |
|  5 |     0 | legionmega |  29517 |   4 | larax           |        |      0 |          1 |
|  6 |     0 | legionmega |  29517 |   6 | k-hyeon         |        |      0 |          1 |
|  7 |     0 | legionmega |  29523 |   2 | atkfromabove    | loser  |      0 |          1 |
|  8 |     0 | legionmega |  29523 |   0 | kreutertee      | loser  |      0 |          1 |
|  9 |     0 | legionmega |  29523 |   4 | atoz            |        |      1 |          1 |
| 10 |     0 | legionmega |  29523 |   5 | tolgamax        |        |      1 |          1 |
| 11 |     0 | legionmega |  29523 |   6 | l_say_lioii     |        |      1 |          1 |
| 12 |     0 | legionmega |  29523 |   7 | bzykboss        | winner |      0 |          1 |
| 13 |     0 | legionmega |  29523 |   1 | isaac2580       |        |      1 |          1 |
| 14 |     0 | legionmega |  29523 |   3 | 2010.dineaeaeae |        |      1 |          1 |
| 15 |     0 | legionmega |  29526 |   3 | hamit_pasha     |        |      0 |          0 |
| 16 |     0 | legionmega |  29526 |   0 | kreutertee      |        |      0 |          0 |
| 17 |     0 | legionmega |  29526 |   5 | deamonhunter    |        |      0 |          0 |
| 18 |     0 | legionmega |  29526 |   1 | pajo6666        |        |      0 |          0 |
| 19 |     0 | legionmega |  29528 |   1 | totoro          |        |      0 |          1 |
| 20 |     0 | legionmega |  29528 |   2 | jojoba          |        |      0 |          1 |
| 21 |     0 | legionmega |  29528 |   0 | kreutertee      |        |      0 |          1 |
| 22 |     0 | legionmega |  29528 |   4 | deamonhunter    |        |      0 |          1 |
+----+-------+------------+--------+-----+-----------------+--------+--------+------------+
22 rows in set (0.00 sec)

so far...

 

[Saucer]

Oh, good

Forget what I wrote about player_slot then (I assume this is same as "pid" in database) and the leaver/win/loss flags... because this seems to be covered just fine.

EDIT: but do make sure that win/loss also gets recorded if a player is a leaver.

 

[HuanAk]

Perfect.
No update should be necessary, I think.

Could you please also add player_slot? Just the number (1 to 8... or 0 to 7... whatever.. just as long as its there). Thanks.

on kreutertee 's data. it automatic include "pid" ?

because the update code work like this :

void UpdateValueString(player_name, player_slot, string_value)

Great. So, if 1 race played, it would look like this:

"mech"

But if many races played (CB) then could you please make it a comma-seperated list, like this?

"mech,beast,shadow,nature,element"


So every time a race is selected / cb'ed:

good idea, easy to add. as well as "CB_used" for how many time it changed

Could you also add FlagTeam? Like this:

- update every wave = FLAG_UNKNOWN
- Game End final update : either FLAG_LOSER or FLAG_WINNER

So regardless if he is a leaver or not, then in the end we will always know if his/her team is Winner or Loser.[/code]

Why do we need flagteam? "FlagPlayer" will give you same information right ?

FlagPlayer is a special fuction, it will display on top levle databse table. while "FlagTeam" will display on same table as "player_name", "Player_race".

I think we need to work out how to update "FlagPlayer" with more useful information, for now:
- when game start, I set them to practicing
- when king die, every in game player will set to either "winner" or "loser".
- I disable "leaver" update after player leave (because it cause crash?)

** I am not sure what happen if they leave too early before W3MMD.
** should I update every "in game player" or every "multi board player"
(multi board player include those already leave, but may cause crash with W3MMD)

for disconnect issue, the guy who wrote W3MMD said :
- "If you emit a bunch of data per second, you will cause bandwidth problems for dial-up users." <--- we emit 20 "stat" per player, that about 80 "stat" at same time for 8 player, maybe this is main reason for disconnect ?
- "Calling RaiseGuard will increase the number of senders for each message from 1 to 3. This increases security but uses more network bandwidth" <-- I hate this security system, because when player "leave", it will call raiseguard, and mass disconnect after
- "don't use wait(x second), it have issue with W3MMD" <-- W3MMD can't update during fight, because I use wait quiet often (eg, wait 1 second, remove corpse, wait 2 second, spawn summon/creep etc)

 

[HuanAk]

kreutertee / Saucer

1, is it possible to view W3MMD message log ? I want to see what actually happen when
- why some player name doesn't record
- why "integer" data didn't sent or sent in wrong format
- do winner/loser flag sent out on time before game shut down

2, and player_name & race are "string". all other stats are "integer", so may store in difference table ?

3, how often do you enable HCL (eg, "hcl 0" will enable HCL) ? I think W3MMD should only turn on with HCL enable so W3MMD won't send out any message if it is not host by Hostbot.

 

[HuanAk]

-vk and stats window top/right (names, values, wisps, lumber..) disappears

should be easy to fix, as well as disable votekick message

-vk and stats window top/right (names, values, wisps, lumber..) disappears
4.) ever since the betas the money after all units are killed, comes way faster imo. on 3.3 when all units are killed you have like 2 seconds to spend all lumber to push income. now its like <1 second. i miss income very often due to that .. as i am used to buying spawns at the very last ever since 1.50b i guess thats also due to the 3.2 remodelling?

It is depend on how I wrote the code. I can set how many second it wait before calculate gold/bonus/income.

the leaver/winner.. well, i ended the games twice with a bot command-> !end, but on gameid = 29528 we lost by selling all units in round 5 king died and game ended like it is supposed to be. i saw the 25 second countdown .. 20 .. 15 .. but no winner/loser flag here?!

I will check.

winner/loser flag is update at same time when the function with follow message is call.
Highest Value is : HuanAk
Most Summon sent is : Huanak

I heard there are known bug that W3MMD update won't sent if game is finish or about to finish.


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I will disable W3MMD and upload to this site.

then give you special W3MMD version untill everything is working.

I will try use older W3MMD version (the one without security protection) see if it work with your hostbot.

 

[-Kobas-]

Are those bugs/problems big?
If so I will need to reject map!

 

[HuanAk]

Are those bugs/problems big?
If so I will need to reject map!

-Kobas- :

I advertise www.hiveworkshop.com on my map so lots of people come here for bug report/ffedback on current beta process.

The current version (B15) have random desync issue with W3MMD in certain condition.

I will disable W3MMD and upload the version without W3MMD to main page.
then put the test version with W3MMD as attachments.

I can move beta file to somewhere if this is wrong place.

 

[iamthekira]

Are those bugs/problems big?
If so I will need to reject map!

we all come in here with requests, im sure 3.4 will be as good as 3.3, don't reject it cause of the beta versions


@huan: i heard more people complaining about being disconnected. i think it only happens in 3v3 games.
oh, and i am still unhappy with the income system. with 7/6 at lvl 13 onwards, i am actually getting gold in minus for completing the lvl. -2 at 13, -23 at 17, etc. really missing the 3.3 system at this point

 

[HuanAk]

Beta 16 is out:
* removed W3MMD
* correct bonus gold bug
* pandora's box is open to make people happy (7/15 will become popular)
* you can still close that box by -li mode

sorry for so many beta, I have to stop release them now.

I will create "Delta" series with W3MMD for Saucer/kreutertee. and it will post here as attachment.

 

[iamthekira]

will you still have 3.4 ready by the weekend? ^^

 

[gameking2010]

t2 slot green still kicked when playing, summoner's skills still have cool down :|

 

[wcen]

Mercenary bugs

Mercenary disappearing issues:

1) At level 31, when all units are teleported to mid, ALL merc units will all be gone. (confirmed for B16)

2) After arena, summoned units will disappear, but tower value will still be there (thus unable to build more) (unconfirmed for B16, may have been fixed)

3) Not a bug, but you may want to remove or raise the tower value cap for mercenary at level 31. Any other race that survives beyond level 31 will most likely have tower value more than 160000. However, merc are restricted to 16k worth of towers. Merc should be allowed to spend all their reserves of gold/lumber. Can consider raising the value cap beyond 16k to reward merc who prudently use their gold/lumber instead of spamming the maximum amount of gold/lumber every round.

 

[HuanAk]

Mercenary disappearing issues:

1) At level 31, when all units are teleported to mid, ALL merc units will all be gone. (confirmed for B16)

2) After arena, summoned units will disappear, but tower value will still be there (thus unable to build more) (unconfirmed for B16, may have been fixed)

3) Not a bug, but you may want to remove or raise the tower value cap for mercenary at level 31. Any other race that survives beyond level 31 will most likely have tower value more than 160000. However, merc are restricted to 16k worth of towers. Merc should be allowed to spend all their reserves of gold/lumber. Can consider raising the value cap beyond 16k to reward merc who prudently use their gold/lumber instead of spamming the maximum amount of gold/lumber every round.

I will check Merc for 31.

I am sure it fixed for after Arena (was bug in last few beta)

and I won't remove cap for Merc on 31. if I do that, Merc will banned in every game. (what happen if you save up lumber/gold and summon 30k value)

 

[HuanAk]

t2 slot green still kicked when playing, summoner's skills still have cool down :|

which summoner ?

t2 slot green still kicked

this happen in 3.3, some time player are disconnect with bad ping.

so I better wait for more feedback.

 

[HuanAk]

will you still have 3.4 ready by the weekend? ^^

possible yes.

W3MMD descyn issue will take long time to test

I can stop 3.4, and work on 3.41 with W3MMD. and put W3MMD back to 3.5 if descyn is gone.

 

[wcen]

I will check Merc for 31.

I am sure it fixed for after Arena (was bug in last few beta)

and I won't remove cap for Merc on 31. if I do that, Merc will banned in every game. (what happen if you save up lumber/gold and summon 30k value)

One more thing, Oracle's buff does not work at 31 too.

I agree that should be a cap, but the current cap is too low considering that any players using other races and survive up til 31 typically have value much higher than 16k. Possible to raise the that cap to say, 18-22k? This value can be an "average" value comparable to non-merc races.

 

[HuanAk]

One more thing, Oracle's buff does not work at 31 too.

I agree that should be a cap, but the current cap is too low considering that any players using other races and survive up til 31 typically have value much higher than 16k. Possible to raise the that cap to say, 18-22k? This value can be an "average" value comparable to non-merc races.

where did you get this average from ? 18-22k !!

It is like most of them are 14-15k with mode -li (only top player in the team can get 18k with feed from leaker)

 

[Nekrage]

Setting game modes does not work.

Me and my friends were playing 4 players on a single team and were upgrading our income. This caused the enemy king to die and end the game.

HAS to be a way to make it 1 team only that wont end the game because the enemy king gets killed.

 

[Saucer]

You know, I actually think the rapid-release cycle on the beta's is a good thing.

Put out a "stable" release every now and then, and then continue with the beta's. Rapid testing and feedback. Sound like a good idea to me

1, is it possible to view W3MMD message log ? I want to see what actually happen when
- why some player name doesn't record
- why "integer" data didn't sent or sent in wrong format
- do winner/loser flag sent out on time before game shut down

Hmmm, I'll ask him to look in logs... but I believe that GHost++ will only write some information to log if it encounter invalid data in the W3MMD.

But we'll get to the bottom of this, one way or the other.

2, and player_name & race are "string". all other stats are "integer", so may store in difference table ?

As I recall, for the non-dota W3MMD database table in GHost++, all the stats get stored very ineffeciently, as strings.

When the map-side of W3MMD has been completed, we will tweak the GHost++ hostbot to store this data in a better way.

3, how often do you enable HCL (eg, "hcl 0" will enable HCL) ? I think W3MMD should only turn on with HCL enable so W3MMD won't send out any message if it is not host by Hostbot.

Oh, thats a good idea. HCL will only be run if hostbot, so yes, absolutely, you can do the same trick here. Disable W3MMD if HCL is empty.

I will create "Delta" series with W3MMD for Saucer/kreutertee. and it will post here as attachment.

W3MMD descyn issue will take long time to test
I can stop 3.4, and work on 3.41 with W3MMD. and put W3MMD back to 3.5 if descyn is gone.

Cool Yeah, just get that 3.4 done and we can take a look at W3MMD after.

"Calling RaiseGuard will increase the number of senders for each message from 1 to 3. This increases security but uses more network bandwidth"
I hate this security system, because when player "leave", it will call raiseguard, and mass disconnect after

Damn. Calling raiseguard will cause mass disconnect? is this because of the wait() thing?

"If you emit a bunch of data per second, you will cause bandwidth problems for dial-up users."
we emit 20 "stat" per player, that about 80 "stat" at same time for 8 player, maybe this is main reason for disconnect ?

"don't use wait(x second), it have issue with W3MMD"
W3MMD can't update during fight, because I use wait quiet often (eg, wait 1 second, remove corpse, wait 2 second, spawn summon/creep etc)

Perhaps it would work better if you distributed the updates evenly across time, between rounds (when people are able to build towers). So like, every 5 seconds or so, it will update W3MMD for one player.

 

[HuanAk]

You know, I actually think the rapid-release cycle on the beta's is a good thing.

Put out a "stable" release every now and then, and then continue with the beta's. Rapid testing and feedback. Sound like a good idea to me

problem is it will piss players off if it is endless beta

do you have any tutorial to set up hostbot to test W3MMD myself ? eg
- can I grab replay from intetnet or my 2 pc then use hostbot as "parser" ?
- or most play a game from hostbot?

because I try modified/rewrite W3MMD, but not sure if it will work or not.

Damn. Calling raiseguard will cause mass disconnect? is this because of the wait() thing?

I don't know, but if player is leave, you can't update his id or it will cause RaiseGuard(). (because player is not playing and the code think someone try cheating). after RaiseGuard() is call, the period timer (0.37 second) will run like crazy.


I will give try another beta with command -save. this command will call immediate update on all stat. so we can find out how to kill a game with this command.

then I will try learn how W3MMD work so I can rewrite it. base on W3MMD, it should work as long as I sent message in follow format:

**Message Format**
- Messages can be identified by the surrounding pattern:
kMMD.Dat[null]val:[decimal-number][null][message contents][null][dword]"
- Checksum messages can be identified by the surrounding pattern:
kMMD.Dat[null]chk:[decimal-number][null][decimal-number][null][dword]"
- A message must be followed by a checksum message with the message contents replaced by the msg id.

 

[wcen]

where did you get this average from ? 18-22k !!

It is like most of them are 14-15k with mode -li (only top player in the team can get 18k with feed from leaker)

I admit 22k is exaggerated, but 14-15k is definitely too low. Anyone with these tower value is unlikely survive a versus match in lvl 28/29 with opponent sending demon/kraken etc.

I looked at my last replay, the average is around 18k (excluding me as I was the merc who lost all the merc towers)
Even the lowest valued player has >16k worth of towers, and he had leaked quite considerably in early game and boss stages.

I dunno what effect -li will have, but we were playing the default mode.
Will send you a private message with a link to the replay + screenshot of last stage.

As you are the map editor, you will have the final say. But I hope you will consider raising the limit to a reasonable value.

 

[HuanAk]

I admit 22k is exaggerated, but 14-15k is definitely too low. Anyone with these tower value is unlikely survive a versus match in lvl 28/29 with opponent sending demon/kraken etc.

I looked at my last replay, the average is around 18k (excluding me as I was the merc who lost all the merc towers)
Even the lowest valued player has >16k worth of towers, and he had leaked quite considerably in early game and boss stages.

I dunno what effect -li will have, but we were playing the default mode.
Will send you a private message with a link to the replay + screenshot of last stage.

As you are the map editor, you will have the final say. But I hope you will consider raising the limit to a reasonable value.

Yes, people complaint about my hidden income cap (eg, bonus is dinimishing and become 0 if income is too high)

so I remove this cap on default -AP mode to let them feel the unbalance.

Merc's cap is change to: Recommend Value + (Level * Level * 2)

Version 3.4 is out !!

(Please try out 4v4, see if lag is better than version 3.3, I spent most of time on reduce lag for version 3.4)

 

[wcen]

Yes, people complaint about my hidden income cap (eg, bonus is dinimishing and become 0 if income is too high)

so I remove this cap on default -AP mode to let them feel the unbalance.

Merc's cap is change to: Recommend Value + (Level * Level * 2)

Version 3.4 is out !!

(Please try out 4v4, see if lag is better than version 3.3, I spent most of time on reduce lag for version 3.4)

On lvl 9, all our units/building/king start dying/burning/losing HP.
Could be a unit someone build or could be the level itself, did not confirm.

 

[iamthekira]

same here everything buuuuurns *giggles*
the king loses hp too, it stays at 50 hp and regenerates a bit, then loses it back to 50. the town, barracks, etc are on fire, the summoned units are losing hp as soon as you send them, the incoming creeps are also losing hp... crazy stuff )

 

[Nekrage]

Setting game modes does not work.

Me and my friends were playing 4 players on a single team and were upgrading our income. This caused the enemy king to die and end the game.

HAS to be a way to make it 1 team only that wont end the game because the enemy king gets killed.

This

 

[simongign]

This is armageddon !

 

[HuanAk]

sorry for the mess.

I make a small mistake on one value, and game start burning down

It is fixed now.

PLEASE REMOVE "Legion TD Mega 3.4"
and download
"Legion TD Mega v3.4"
the one without "v" is bug

 

[HuanAk]

Setting game modes does not work.

if you enter wrong mode, it will use default ( one wrong letter = wrong mode ==> automatic use default mode. this feature is there to avoid wrong mode and rmk)

Me and my friends were playing 4 players on a single team and were upgrading our income. This caused the enemy king to die and end the game.

HAS to be a way to make it 1 team only that wont end the game because the enemy king gets killed.

Is this same topic as first quote or difference topic ?

this game do not support Single team vs NPC atm.

 

[Nekrage]

Does it plan to support single team vs npc in the future?

 

[HuanAk]

Does it plan to support single team vs npc in the future?

No, NPC is not smart enough to build tower.

and King is too weak against player.

 

[nafre]

The -ar mode does not work

 

[mala_fatt]

-vk doesn't work either, and players disconnect too often it's frustrating at times. Not sure whether it's related to the code though, it may be due to poor connection as well, any other feedback on that one?

I appreciate the hard work you put on this game, but it may not be a good idea to release a new version as "stable" before it's tested thoroughly. Just saying..