Legion TD Mega 3.5 (B4) + 3.41 unprotect

[iamthekira]

Hi, wanna post some new bugs from 3.3, will try out 3.35 and see how that is soon ^^
-On the time before each arena starts, the builder can move anywhere in the map. My friends and I always play -hp and pick prophet and we all share auras, cause we can go anywhere we want. The builder won't be warped back to its area.
-On lvls 11 and 21, Mercenary's units won't go to protect the king. They'll sit there, frozen. Antistuck won't work, of course.
Requests for 3.4:
-Make lvl 13 easier: with a pudge, a furbolg and a commander for each oponent sent by us, the match will end 99% of the time... the lvl is too strong with these auras, even 19 is easier. Usually there are big leaks and nothing can be done. King will be too weak on 13.
-Make Arctic and Beast's dragons stronger. They're useless after lvl 10. :-s
-Make lvl 25 stronger. Saw people holding that with 5k value. It's just wrong

Thanks and looking forward to 3.4 ^^

 

[HuanAk]

good report about "the builder can move anywhere in the map." I will fix it in next beta

for Arctic and Beast's dragons, I make them slightly better in 2.25, let me know how it going.

mercenary is fixed for 11 & 21 in beta2.

I will look at level 13 & 25, it won't happen in next beta because I need to make new race first

Undead almost done, except some ability doesn't work well so I have to change it a few time.

beta 3 possible out in tomorrow or after.

Mecenary's cost will adjusted again:
1st = 25 wood, +1 income
2nd = 25 gold, 50 wood, +2 income
3rd = 50 gold, 75 wood, +3 income
4th = 100 gold, 100 wood, +5 income (4th is disable untill max lumberjack)

and you can only use "change to mercenary" ONCE (can't repeat change back to mecenary anymore)

 

[Food4Balance]

good report about "the builder can move anywhere in the map." I will fix it in next beta

for Arctic and Beast's dragons, I make them slightly better in 2.25, let me know how it going.

mercenary is fixed for 11 & 21 in beta2.

I will look at level 13 & 25, it won't happen in next beta because I need to make new race first

Undead almost done, except some ability doesn't work well so I have to change it a few time.

beta 3 possible out in tomorrow or after.

Mecenary's cost will adjusted again:
1st = 25 wood, +1 income
2nd = 25 gold, 50 wood, +2 income
3rd = 50 gold, 75 wood, +3 income
4th = 100 gold, 100 wood, +5 income (4th is disable untill max lumberjack)

and you can only use "change to mercenary" ONCE (can't repeat change back to mecenary anymore)

--Merc--
-I was going to say decrease level 2 merc summon 100 hp less, but that's not needed now if you only allow "change to merc" once. All the pro players change to merc about 3 times a game. Let's see how the next beta3 is with this change before I make some comments.
-I don't think you should lock level 4 summon until max wood. You will make it too "noob friendly" to play merc.

--Arctic--
-Ice dragons are good now. Arctic was always a good race, but they are one of the best after this change, because of the overpowered ice troll slows + ice dragon slow (double slow).
-Wendigos should be buffed. 14% evasion for a low hp unit is not useful. The stun/crit chance unit is much better for less gold because they are protected by the other units' slows.

--General game play--
-Can you nerf level 22 and 28 a little (just a little is enough). In pro games, demons+krakens+auras at these levels is almost always GG.
-Is it a feature that you can pick merc even though the host picked -HP prophet? (you don't even have to build one unit before instantly picking merc)
-For unbalanced games in the level 20 fight, one of the extra turtle bosses sometimes begins the fight alone (and gets killed) before the timer starts the fight.

 

[HuanAk]

--Merc--
-I was going to say decrease level 2 merc summon 100 hp less, but that's not needed now if you only allow "change to merc" once. All the pro players change to merc about 3 times a game. Let's see how the next beta3 is with this change before I make some comments.
-I don't think you should lock level 4 summon until max wood. You will make it too "noob friendly" to play merc.

will see how it go, Merc will continue adjust during whole Beta, let me know what you think after each beta so I will know what to do

I though the main problem for Mec is so many noob fail, or Pro is too good.

--Arctic--
-Ice dragons are good now. Arctic was always a good race, but they are one of the best after this change, because of the overpowered ice troll slows + ice dragon slow (double slow).
-Wendigos should be buffed. 14% evasion for a low hp unit is not useful. The stun/crit chance unit is much better for less gold because they are protected by the other units' slows.

Artic's slow cause crash before, so I allow them stack. in later beta (maybe beta 4) I will rework pathing, so I can implement minimum movement speed on all unit

--General game play--
-Can you nerf level 22 and 28 a little (just a little is enough). In pro games, demons+krakens+auras at these levels is almost always GG.

I will adjust & test, won't in next beta, because it take many test to get it right.

-Is it a feature that you can pick merc even though the host picked -HP prophet? (you don't even have to build one unit before instantly picking merc)

the mode "-li" is temporary remove during beta, so mecenary can pick in -sd, -ar, -hp.

because I want more feedback from mecenary's changed

-For unbalanced games in the level 20 fight, one of the extra turtle bosses sometimes begins the fight alone (and gets killed) before the timer starts the fight.

will check, I lost 3.3 source code, so have to rollback from 3.2 and may miss something.


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Undead is almost done, except Raise Dead doesn't work well (corpse dispear too fast)

 

[Food4Balance]

Merc in B3 is not that much different than in Beta2. You have to find a way to slow down their lumber upgrade. Funny thing is that merc is the weakest on 3.3 (but still strongest race in 3.3) when compared to 3.35 B2 and B3. I think merc might be balanced in 3.3 if you allow changer builder to merc only once.

--After level 10 boss--
forgot how much income
7/14 lumber (maxed after level 10 team fight)

--After level 21--
10.5k value
1077 income

--After level 29--
23.5k value
1631 income

--Bugs--
-The fog of war was uncovered for part of player 5's area starting on round 21 (I think) and I can see his units for the rest of the game.
-Meat Wagon and War Machine splashes air units too.
-Your builder gets stuck and can't move. You have to press HOLD or change builder for it to be able to move again.
-Some units still sometimes start the fight early in the team fight. It's rare but it happened to my Azure Dragon.

--Unholy--
-Hard to play race. Strong early game because of War Machine. Weak in mid game and late game. At around 13-15 change builder is almost a must or you will leak if you try to lumber faster. If you fix the splash to air dmg, this race will be even weaker.
-The dragon is almost the same as the Azure Dragon and some people think it's lame.
-Only the Necro aura mage (very useful), War Machine, and Dragon seem useful. All the other units are not good.
-The pudge aura should be at least 300-400 range for him to be even a little useful. He is melee and once he dies, the aura is gone anyway.

 

[HuanAk]

-Your builder gets stuck and can't move. You have to press HOLD or change builder for it to be able to move again.

let me know if you have more detail for this bug, like when it happen and how often it happen.

Undead will continue change for sure, at the end, it should be like this:
- Pudge should be good tank (weak dps)
- Necromage (with raise dead) should be top dpser

I have trouble with raise dead ability, so I don't know what it will end up.


PS: can you upload replay for Mecenary that reach level 25+

 

[Food4Balance]

let me know if you have more detail for this bug, like when it happen and how often it happen.

Undead will continue change for sure, at the end, it should be like this:
- Pudge should be good tank (weak dps)
- Necromage (with raise dead) should be top dpser

I have trouble with raise dead ability, so I don't know what it will end up.


PS: can you upload replay for Mecenary that reach level 25+

-The stuck builder happened again for me right before level 10 started and happened for the other merc on my team on level 31.
-Someone on the other team said something about the Undead archer summon during the team fight only having 31 hp. Not sure what he meant.

I forgot to build during one of the rounds and still got insane income.

Sent you message.

 

[mightym8]

Hi just joined this forum to admit that new merc is too op.
Also had like 1000 income at level 21 and i didnt do my usual build.
I just mass spammed t1 units cause they dont cost any gold and give income.
that should be adjusted, so that pro players who care how much they build and bareley survive profit from their building. Yeah i lost 5 lumber for every t1 but thats not much with 7/15

Now lets talk about other races. I am no a pro but very good so that i can reach 7/9-12 lumber till level 20. What i wanna say is that paladin and marine are much weaker than other races. like paladin has only a good t6 unit and marine is a race i ll never pick in sd. i tried some builds but they failed at level 10 or 11 and i dont like leaking ^^

p.s. i always care to get at least 7/1 till level 10 cause a good income is necessary for lategame.

 

[HuanAk]

Yes, Mecenary will adjust for whole beta process.

Butcher/Pudge should be medium armor (good for level 8)

for stuck builder:
- do it happen to Mecenary only ?
- do it happen just few second before arena start ?

yes, I found a bug from your replay, summon archer got attacked by allies for a short second.

 

[Food4Balance]

Yes, Mecenary will adjust for whole beta process.

Butcher/Pudge should be medium armor (good for level 8)

for stuck builder:
- do it happen to Mecenary only ?
- do it happen just few second before arena start ?

yes, I found a bug from your replay, summon archer got attacked by allies for a short second.

Not sure if it only affects Merc, but I don't think so. Someone said his builder couldn't move in one of the other games I played and he wasn't Merc. It could be because of lag, but I doubt lag can last that long. I happened to me right before the level 10 boss round (I think). Will think it has something to do with the builder movement lock you put in to keep players from moving around during team fights.

 

[HuanAk]

Not sure if it only affects Merc, but I don't think so. Someone said his builder couldn't move in one of the other games I played and he wasn't Merc. It could be because of lag, but I doubt lag can last that long. I happened to me right before the level 10 boss round (I think). Will think it has something to do with the builder movement lock you put in to keep players from moving around during team fights.

Builder cannot move is cause by "cast Holy Light on king"

somehow builder have infinite long spell casting backswing (because I set them to 0.001 so they cannot cancel Holy Light by press "S")

it is fixed now (and they still can't cancel by press stop "S"

please try Mecenary again, and let me know how it going. you don't really need replay, some number report like these is enough :

level 5: 7/5 30 income
level 7: 7/7 xx income
level 9: 7/10 xx income
level 10: 7/13 XX income
level 15:
level 20:
etc

unless it is replay with Mecenary on level 30

also, I need more feedback about -votekick, just play around with it at start, and RMK game after (replay won't show pop up, possible need screenshot for bug or something weid)

 

[EvilKnievel]

hey..
just tested the map a bit, mainly the new race.

first of all think its not too weak in general. but there are a few things to think about


- no one will use the first tower (like all cheap towers without any ability). Since it is the only one with magic attack why dont give him a usefull skill so you wanne build it.(in my opinion should be a singel target skill. (i would say what about a frostslow, slows attack and move speed, because race is weak against bosses)
-the race needs at least one long range tower or it is too weak in late game (now all are kind of stuck in lategame) i would like if you would improve the range of necromancer from 400 to maybe 500 or at least 450. (not much change but think that would help a lot. because it doesnt have nearly same range with archers then)
-like others said..true point with deathworm.. same than beast and arctic tower... since race already has some (waeak but have splash) why not completly change the tower.. maybe siege or magic attack and other ability?

other races..

-in my opinion mech is a bit overpowerd i would nerf the tank a bit

-would also nerf the splash stun from demi human`s Bigfoot

hope i could help

 

[iamthekira]

Tried Merc on beta 4... Not getting income from the barracks is insane, totally limits down merc, dont wanna try the builder any time soon again. Not its biggest fan, but I did play it pretty decently till lvl 14 on other beta versions and it gave good income and value for endgame. I agree it was op in beta 3 (with my change at lvl 14 and only 7/12 i managed to get a 25k value at lvl 31 and around 1.5k income)

-votekick bug on beta 4: the player does get kicked, but his units stay and fight for the rest of the game. so leak after leak, that has to get fixed

-on the arena, one of arctic's dragons fight before the timer starts and gets killed

-dont know if u fixed this in beta 4, but in beta 3 the upgraded wyvern had the same damage as an non-upgraded one.

-in beta 3, after i changed from merc one game, i picked prophet and it had minotaurs, so i built about 5 of them and on lvl 15 geomancers appeared to help them. they died almost instantly but every 2 seconds or so, another one would appear have no idea why

 

[EvilKnievel]

well withouit income from barracks mercanry is f***ed.

numbers arent really usfull now i guess.
If you paly normal you have around 60-70 income after lvl 10. this is ridicules

if would be better to always max build the cheapest tower to get at least some income but this would be so lame and income would still be pretty bad.

So you have to think about something else... guess just make the towers cost more lumber to protect other players from mass spawn. but dont work with the bracks that dindt work!!

 

[Food4Balance]

Builder cannot move is cause by "cast Holy Light on king"

somehow builder have infinite long spell casting backswing (because I set them to 0.001 so they cannot cancel Holy Light by press "S")

it is fixed now (and they still can't cancel by press stop "S"

please try Mecenary again, and let me know how it going. you don't really need replay, some number report like these is enough :

level 5: 7/5 30 income
level 7: 7/7 xx income
level 9: 7/10 xx income
level 10: 7/13 XX income
level 15:
level 20:
etc

unless it is replay with Mecenary on level 30

also, I need more feedback about -votekick, just play around with it at start, and RMK game after (replay won't show pop up, possible need screenshot for bug or something weid)

Merc seems about right now, about the same income curve as 3.3, but without the ability to kill the other team early like in 3.3. It's not weak if there's only one Merc on your team. The income easily goes over 1k by late 20's. The changes you made in Beta4 stops Merc from sending early strong summons, but by level 21 they can have 4k wood (since using wood to summon doesn't increase their income anyway, they just save it up). With 4k wood, you can easily finish the game at 21.

The people that are posting it's weak haven't learned how to play the new Merc yet. However, the changes do make Merc not as fun to play (complaints of it being boring now). Have you considered to allow Merc to get gold from barrack but make it half as much as every other race (for both Baracks). Half income from barracks will make it possible to have more than 1 Merc on the same team. Right now, the changes you made, it doesn't make sense to have more than 1 Merc on the same team.

Have a replay with a great Merc player and a pretty imba Undead (so powerful now) getting to level 31 and winning a 2v4, but not sure if you want to watch it. Has a lot of trash talking

5 -- 7/5, 18
10 -- 7/10, 161
15 -- 7/15, 330
20 -- 7/15, 535
25 -- 7/15, 1015
30 -- 7/15, 1344

--Undead--
The Undead Archer summons are insanely strong. You need to nerf them and make the war machines better. There's also no reason to make war machines or the first acolyte unit or the ghoul, because they are pretty useless units compared to undead archer summons.

 

[HuanAk]

Merc seems about right now, about the same income curve as 3.3, but without the ability to kill the other team early like in 3.3. It's not weak if there's only one Merc on your team. The income easily goes over 1k by late 20's. The changes you made in Beta4 stops Merc from sending early strong summons, but by level 21 they can have 4k wood (since using wood to summon doesn't increase their income anyway, they just save it up). With 4k wood, you can easily finish the game at 21.

The people that are posting it's weak haven't learned how to play the new Merc yet. However, the changes do make Merc not as fun to play (complaints of it being boring now). Have you considered to allow Merc to get gold from barrack but make it half as much as every other race (for both Baracks). Half income from barracks will make it possible to have more than 1 Merc on the same team. Right now, the changes you made, it doesn't make sense to have more than 1 Merc on the same team.

Have a replay with a great Merc player and a pretty imba Undead (so powerful now) getting to level 31 and winning a 2v4, but not sure if you want to watch it. Has a lot of trash talking

5 -- 7/5, 18
10 -- 7/10, 161
15 -- 7/15, 330
20 -- 7/15, 535
25 -- 7/15, 1015
30 -- 7/15, 1344

--Undead--
The Undead Archer summons are insanely strong. You need to nerf them and make the war machines better. There's also no reason to make war machines or the first acolyte unit or the ghoul, because they are pretty useless units compared to undead archer summons.

what is the value for Mecenary at level 30 ?
- income sound good
- max lumber at level 15 is good too


maybe Barrack should give income after max lumberjack ?

because in 3.4, Mecenary should be :
- can handle level 30 without change builder. (enough gold, lumber to buy 15x 4th unit every round)
- support unit, upgrade king for income

undead will adjusted in every beta. (any feedback about undead dragon? )

replay would be nice (especial for level 30 with Undead or mecenary)

 

[EvilKnievel]

i just played mercanry again in solo mode without changing builder.

first you can do it with mercanary now, but have to say it is absolutly no fun at all

have to say didnt got nearly that high incomes in earlie lvls than foot4balance posted but was solo mode so different story anyway.
was 7/15 after lvl 14

in the end i did have abour 1050 income.

you dont get enough wood for 28,29,30 if you dont leak to king and dont save wood. gold is abosolutly no problem in late game if you dont switch away from mercanry.

All in all mercanry still holds, but in my opinion no fun without gold from barracks. should do soemthing else to balance it.. i wouldn`t change gold from barack sends just balance it with tower costst.

 

[HuanAk]

i just played mercanry again in solo mode without changing builder.

first you can do it with mercanary now, but have to say it is absolutly no fun at all

have to say didnt got nearly that high incomes in earlie lvls than foot4balance posted but was solo mode so different story anyway.
was 7/15 after lvl 14

in the end i did have abour 1050 income.

you dont get enough wood for 28,29,30 if you dont leak to king and dont save wood. gold is abosolutly no problem in late game if you dont switch away from mercanry.

All in all mercanry still holds, but in my opinion no fun without gold from barracks. should do soemthing else to balance it.. i wouldn`t change gold from barack sends just balance it with tower costst.

I think you forget one thing for Mecenary:
- they can send mass summon in early game.

that is the main reason for mecenary rework.

I think possible change for mecenary in next beta:
- barrack give income after max lumberjack
- 4th unit cost 120 gold/100 lumber, with 900 value

remember you have 4000 spare lumber at level 20 ? but not enough lumber for 28/29/30? try save them or small leak so you have more time for lumber.

will continue adjust and see how it go.

 

[Food4Balance]

@HuanAK - 2v4 (Merc + Undead against 4 players) Replay attached. The Undead in the replay can do better. Last game I max out lumber at 22 with Undead.

Merc can finish solo without change builder in both Beta3 and Beta4, but yes it's really boring. The first replay I sent you showed the other Merc in my team soloing without change builder. It's not a problem.

A good Merc can max lumber at 13 in Beta4. The lumber and income stats I posted have the Merc maxing at 13, not 15. He was already max at 13.

Making barrack give lumber after max lumber for Merc is still so powerful because they max at 13. His income will be super high again.

--Undead--
-Undead dragon very powerful. It is much higher dmg than the Beast and Arctic Dragon but don't cost that much more gold.
-Really, you have to nerf Undead necro archer summons.
-The ghoul has 600 hp so what use is the life steal? He die so fast anyway. Make him lower cost or give him another ability.
-Make the acolyte have an ability or maybe make him very high range. He is low hp, low range, low dmg.
-Buff the war machine or make it cost a little less gold for upgrade. Right now, I only make necro archers. Even against siege armor the necro archers are better than war machine because they are 3 archers and attack so fast.

 

[HuanAk]

I check the stat on Fire Archer, it is mistake !!

I change attack speed from 1 second to 0.33 second... but forget to change damage !!

so each archer do 90dps now !! (should be 30dps)

 

[mightym8]

in beta 4 hp doesnt work. i chose prophet and the other could choose as if they were playing sd.

 

[HuanAk]

in beta 4 hp doesnt work. i chose prophet and the other could choose as if they were playing sd.

it is known bug,

because they can still click "random builder" before host choose which

I will remove "random builder" so they can't choose

 

[demonicman24]

help me

every thing i try to download says not enough memory...... please message me or reply back if you can help

 

[HuanAk]

every thing i try to download says not enough memory...... please message me or reply back if you can help

do you mean can't download map from this site ?

you can try download from difference site:
http://www.epicwar.com/maps/184110/

i

 

[Food4Balance]

Didn't get a chance to try more than a few games, but initial impression is that Merc seems about even now and may actually leak huge if you change builder at the wrong times. I'm not sure if 900 value for the last unit is balanced, but will test some more.

Undead is pretty weak now, but the Undead dragon is still very good in HP games.

--Bug--
Did -HP prophet in a full game last night, and only 4 players (I think first two players from each team, but might be less) got a prophet builder. The other players didn't get any builder and couldn't pick for themselves. I can't verify this, but 2 players from my team started complaining, and two others from the other team said the same thing.

 

[puffdragon]

http://www.legiontd.com/database.php

Anything similar to this exist!?! Preferebly something that also have skills description?

 

[HuanAk]

Didn't get a chance to try more than a few games, but initial impression is that Merc seems about even now and may actually leak huge if you change builder at the wrong times. I'm not sure if 900 value for the last unit is balanced, but will test some more.

Undead is pretty weak now, but the Undead dragon is still very good in HP games.

--Bug--
Did -HP prophet in a full game last night, and only 4 players (I think first two players from each team, but might be less) got a prophet builder. The other players didn't get any builder and couldn't pick for themselves. I can't verify this, but 2 players from my team started complaining, and two others from the other team said the same thing.

this problem sound weird, I will check the code.

It would be nice if you still have replay, or try again see if it happen 100% of time.

if it happen "sometime" only, then it will harder to find out why.

 

[Food4Balance]

this problem sound weird, I will check the code.

It would be nice if you still have replay, or try again see if it happen 100% of time.

if it happen "sometime" only, then it will harder to find out why.

I was going to do -HP prophet for a full game today, but one of the players said NO because only red and blue get a builder. The other players don't get. This is what happened in my other game too, but I'm not sure about the other team.

 

[HuanAk]

Beta 6 is out, let me know if -hp/-ar bug still exit

I spent lots of time to Optimizing the code, so lag should greatly reduce.

Please try out 4v4, and let me know if any difference in lag


--------
New spawn & pathing (reduce lag, try out 4v4 to find out)
New loading screen & minimap (thank Shengshun )

* Red can -votekick now, either -kick or -votekick
( in Beta5, it can still use -kick, but forget to add -votekick)
-HP bug fixed
-AR bug fixed

Insanity - remove -12hp effect
Commander Aura tooltip fixed
Azure Dragon food 3->2
Tree of Life heal on dead fixed
Goblin's driver fixed

-------

 

[mightym8]

5 should be 6 it is confusing

Beta 5:
New spawn & pathing (reduce lag, try out 4v4 to find out)
New loading screen & minimap (thank Shengshun )

* Red can -votekick now, either -kick or -votekick
( in Beta5, it can still use -kick, but forget to add -votekick)
-HP bug fixed
-AR bug fixed

Insanity - remove -12hp effect
Commander Aura tooltip fixed
Azure Dragon food 3->2
Tree of Life heal on dead fixed
Goblin's driver fixed

 

[mightym8]

Hmm we tried 4 v 4 but cannot tell u if it was due to me or the 2 ppl that played at i-cafe and had very slow connection.

hp mode: 1 vs 2
me the one got 2 prophets
other team didnt got any hero

units didnt teleport to king after fight.
and votekick was totally wrecked.

 

[Pepes]

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6983/warcraftf.jpg
I having luck,but i dont know why my towers go down.
Why Warcraft 3 look + 0G? xD

 

[HuanAk]

Hmm we tried 4 v 4 but cannot tell u if it was due to me or the 2 ppl that played at i-cafe and had very slow connection.

hp mode: 1 vs 2
me the one got 2 prophets
other team didnt got any hero

units didnt teleport to king after fight.
and votekick was totally wrecked.

arrrrrrrr.

I only tested them on 2 PC so it didn't happen on me during tested.

I remove the beta 6, will test it more before release.

if you have more information on pathing, let me know.

or replay > 1000 words because I can see what & how it happen

 

[HuanAk]

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6983/warcraftf.jpg
I having luck,but i dont know why my towers go down.
Why Warcraft 3 look + 0G? xD

I think tower expired after 180 seconds for mecenary.

 

[HuanAk]

I need replay for Beta6 please, more is better.

I can't fix untill I back home tonight (10 hours later)

 

[puffdragon]

http://www.legiontd.com/database.php

Anything similar to this exist!?! Preferebly something that also have skills description?

A simple no would do, you didn't have to ignore me...

Just a suggestion tho... put the official download site at the loading screen... and put maybe make a database like the above. Ppl get hooked into this kind of strategic games when they have all the data in front on them in order to plan "strategy".

 

[HuanAk]

A simple no would do, you didn't have to ignore me...

Just a suggestion tho... put the official download site at the loading screen... and put maybe make a database like the above. Ppl get hooked into this kind of strategic games when they have all the data in front on them in order to plan "strategy".

I saw your post, still don't know how to answer yet.

This map don't have any official site or forum. and www.legionTD.com & forum is belong to LISK, that site is dead after he leave, and some old users in forum feel hostile toward any X3 version map.

I am not really keen at making my own site/forum. and players can find this page easily with googled.

 

[mightym8]

y sure here is our 4 v 4.
It is very short we quit after lvl 2. after level 1 we do our votes.
5 voted yes and 3 no and in my opinion tha is not 2/8 but 5/8
so first vote failed and second was wrong 2 i think.

In the end of level 2 units moved back to theur building position.
And nature in the other team stood in the teleportation area but didnt get teleported.

 

[HuanAk]

y sure here is our 4 v 4.
It is very short we quit after lvl 2. after level 1 we do our votes.
5 voted yes and 3 no and in my opinion tha is not 2/8 but 5/8
so first vote failed and second was wrong 2 i think.

In the end of level 2 units moved back to theur building position.
And nature in the other team stood in the teleportation area but didnt get teleported.

thank, sound like new pathing only work on Red. now, I know which part of code need to fix.

for Votekick, I think I need better message. because it work like this :

8 player : require 4 positive vote to kick (eg, 6 yes, 2 no = 4 positive vote)
6 player : require 3 positive vote : eg, 4 yes, 1 no = 3 positive

this mean vote "No" is quiet useful, and you can't easily kick people if someone else say "No".

 

[HuanAk]

Beta 7 is out, I don't have much time to test so I better upload it before I go to bed.

Teleport/Pathing fixed (100% tested)
-hp should fix now? (not enough time to test)

hp happen because host type command before player's "race picker" placed.

if you can host 3v3 before, then let try out 4v4, and let me know if lag still same or better

 

[toasted]

-hp did not work properly as I played it, some players still had the questionmark
at 4v4 were no special lag only "normal" ones
and at the leaderboard after the game everyone had 0 kills

anyway nice changes

 

[HuanAk]

-hp did not work properly as I played it, some players still had the questionmark
at 4v4 were no special lag only "normal" ones
and at the leaderboard after the game everyone had 0 kills

anyway nice changes

good one,

Questionmark mean -HP bug still not fully fixed, but at player can still pick the race picked by host.

I will check leaderboard, do this happen before or onyl after beta 6/7 ?

 

[iamthekira]

hp still doesn't work on beta 7.
after the lvl 10 arena one guy's units (merc) teleported to the king before lvl 11 started, so he had a full leak, but his units defended from the king's side... it's something along these lines, that's what he said happened, and i didnt save the replay (opposite teams)
the wolverines, after teleporting to the king, they walk almost halfway through that path and teleport back after reaching a certain point, usually its just 2-3 wolverines fighting a whole gang of creeps, really kamikaze of them they did walk a little in 3.3 and other betas, but then came back, here they just keep going.
on every beta-not sure if on 7 too, didnt have time to see it yet- the moon guard's mana does not regenerate.
will get back to ya after a 4v4 match and see if there are more weird stuff.

 

[HuanAk]

hp still doesn't work on beta 7.
after the lvl 10 arena one guy's units (merc) teleported to the king before lvl 11 started, so he had a full leak, but his units defended from the king's side... it's something along these lines, that's what he said happened, and i didnt save the replay (opposite teams)
the wolverines, after teleporting to the king, they walk almost halfway through that path and teleport back after reaching a certain point, usually its just 2-3 wolverines fighting a whole gang of creeps, really kamikaze of them they did walk a little in 3.3 and other betas, but then came back, here they just keep going.
on every beta-not sure if on 7 too, didnt have time to see it yet- the moon guard's mana does not regenerate.
will get back to ya after a 4v4 match and see if there are more weird stuff.

I know why -HP is bug now.

It is because they click "Next Page" or "Previous Page" while host do picking.

This will fuck up the -HP and they get nothing at the end !!!

Mecenary after arean : easy fix, I know what cause it !
wolverines on king's hall : Good to know. I disable the walk-back trigger from 3.3 because I though it is not need, will put back.

 

[toasted]

good one,

Questionmark mean -HP bug still not fully fixed, but at player can still pick the race picked by host.

I will check leaderboard, do this happen before or onyl after beta 6/7 ?

I don't know because I only played beta7 and 3.3, nothing in between.

btw. How much percent does frost wolf slow? Would be nice, if you add the percentage in the tooltip.

 

[Food4Balance]

Random balance issue - when someone drops or quits from my team (3v4), I've never won the level 20 team fight with the 3 turtles. They are pretty useless because by that level your team has so many units that the 3 turtles (big units) can't fit in to fight.

Some people are crying and say that Merc is really weak now. In the B5 games I've played, they seem to be fine, although harder to switch to another race from Merc. I'll try to upload a 'pro' Merc replay if I can for B7.

Have you considered buffing the other Undead units a little more so Undead won't be weak during mid to late game?

 

[HuanAk]

I don't know because I only played beta7 and 3.3, nothing in between.

btw. How much percent does frost wolf slow? Would be nice, if you add the percentage in the tooltip.

I think it is 20%. It is base on game setting for all "frost" type spell (this apply to Marine's frost armor's slow, or any AE slow spell).

 

[HuanAk]

Random balance issue - when someone drops or quits from my team (3v4), I've never won the level 20 team fight with the 3 turtles. They are pretty useless because by that level your team has so many units that the 3 turtles (big units) can't fit in to fight.

Some people are crying and say that Merc is really weak now. In the B5 games I've played, they seem to be fine, although harder to switch to another race from Merc. I'll try to upload a 'pro' Merc replay if I can for B7.

Have you considered buffing the other Undead units a little more so Undead won't be weak during mid to late game?

I will spent more time to play real game when it closer to final beta, then I can get real feeling.

in my design, Undead have weak tank, strong dps similar to ghost/element. and player Butcher is must have for tanking, because I don't really want them spam dragon for dps & tank, I may nerfed dragon hp if it happen (and buff butcher's tank ability if need)

I actually played Merc to level 31 after beta5, it is very boring, but still good. it is impossible to change builder now, (you will have to change back to defend).
- if you never change builder (to build some real tower), then you can still defend up to 31, with small leak
- if you used change builder (build something for 2 round, and change back), then you can defend easily, with some spare gold/lumber (it is very boring, because you can't do anything with your spare gold)

overall, Merc become "supporter" in your team, eg:
- upgrade king (you can decide which round is weak, and leak that round)
- mass summon (eg, leak one weak round to save up lumber)

 

[mightym8]

I know u are very buisy right now with fixing lot of things and improving code
but i just wanted to add some things that came to my mind.

I already mentioned marine and ghost some posts ago.
Cause i think marine is very weak. they got so weak long range. hatchling upgrade is good vs boss lvls but eggsack and bottomfeeder are just useless units. and t4 is providing a shield to a unit and the upgrade has a small healing "aoe" but if u compare it to goliath or elder witch doctor it is just a joke. like goliath is providing almost the hole team and this t4 unit only gives a shield to a single unit. same with healing aura.
The Upgrade of commodo is pretty useful cause it is tankie and got medium armor and therefore strong vs magic. But i dont feel like sea giant is useful at all. and its upgrade is hmmm ... u build it to tank a little bit. but compared to other t6 units it is trash. I think sea giant is the worst t6 unit and since this race hasnt got many good units it is just unbalanced.

There is one big problem about ghost called gravekeeper. This unit has very slow attack speed but a nice aura. But it becomes useless vs ranged units.
Pls correct me if i am wrong. but especially in the last waves like 24 28 and 29 i got the feeling that their aura doesnt affect the enemy units cause they are out of their range. Or only a few units are affected.

last but not least something i like to talk about. A game i pretty much influenced by the duration of each wave. I know both teams got the same time to lumber and increase income per round. But I really prefer games that gives more advantage to guys that spend more money on whisps and upgrades. i saw many games where noob teams had 3/0 whisp/upgrade on level 20 and just built units. so every level was pretty short. And it is very hard to manage to get like 7/9 till level 20 with so less time. and u dont got much profit from it.
I dont got a good idea how to improve it. but i really appreciate to benefit players that have a hard time with building many whisps in the beginning. e.g. for every whisp and lumber upgrade u get 2 extra gold per level. so it would affect early game quite well and has almost no influence on late game.

Hope my english is not too bad. since it is 1 o clock in the morning and i just drunk some cocktails

 

[Food4Balance]

@HuanAK - Necro is not good dps anymore. Undead dragon is still good slow + dps. Pudge is so-so tank with only ~1700 hp. No one builds the T1 and T2 undead units.
Yes, Merc is not fun anymore because it's very hard to start as Merc and then change to another race permanently. If you don't change back to Merc, you will leak at the later levels.

@mightym8 - I agree that Marine is a little weak. Overall, Mech/Arctic/Orc are pretty good even up to the last levels. In most games, with those 3 races I can get to 7/10 or 7/11 by level 20. If there's some leak in the game, 7/13 is possible at 20. Shadow/Demi/and Elf are above average. I'm not so good with Nature, but I've seen some good Nature players. Goblin, Element, and Marine are OK races but they are too weak later and always need to change builder earlier. You have to fix Hybrid. There is no big advantage to using Hybrid over Prophet. It just don't make sense to pick Hybrid.

The game influenced by duration of each wave is fine I think. The noob players that just income have a hard time with the later levels and don't have enough wood to send high summons.

--Bugs-
-Moon guard mana doesn't regen.
-creep counter is wrong. All the creep can be dead, but the counter still show's 2 creep alive, and it only counts them dead like 5-8 seconds after the last creep dies.
-creeps get stuck more often now.
-one unit on level 20 team fight still runs out to die before round starts sometimes
-the west side's king disappeared at around 22. It had 0 hp (we never killed him) and the game just kept going.
-Bigfoot does NOT stun anymore. 8 Bigfoots just fought normally without one stun. The Tauren does do quake.