Legion TD Mega 3.5 (B4) + 3.41 unprotect

[Moderator]

05:44, 29th Apr 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Approved
Update: Re-moderating with review

Date: 2011/Oct/07 23:46:38 Vengeancekael: VM // PM: Status: Approved Rating: 4/5 Recommended Rep Received: 2

Reasons: Other: If you have any complaints or questions directed towards a moderator, make a thread here: Map Resource Moderation If you think the moderator's judging is unfair or you have overall complaints, make a thread here: Admin Contact Please read the rules thoroughly: Rules Comment: Review: Gameplay: There are a lot of builder units, each of them really unique with their own special roles in the map. There are also quite a few game modes. I've never seen a td before where the towers become moving units when a wave starts. It's really unique and kinda fun, the towers start attacking the incoming wave really quickly and then when they're done, they teleport to the King, to defend him I guess, although I don't understand why they go to the king afterwards. You can also upgrade and improve the target you're defending, which is unusual for a TD map, but new. The feature that lets the players themselves send specific waves to the enemy lanes isn't anything new, but it fits everything else and makes it even more fun and challenging at the same time. Terrain: The map is large enough, it looks completely polished and symmetric and the tile variations make it look kinda cool. Other: A really neat loading screen image with the loading bars included. Also I suggest you increase the mode selection time, 15 seconds aren't a lot. Overall: A well executed TD with a lot of features from other TDs put into one, making it really fun, but still kinda unoriginal and it doesn't really bring anything fresh to the table.

 

[-Kobas-]

Do you have author permission to edit his map?

 

[HuanAk]

yes, here is the link :
http://jx3.net/tdg/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=3515

The Future of Legion TD

Version 1.50c, which will fix some minor bugs & introduce small balances tweaks, will be the final official version of Legion TD for Warcraft 3. Thank you to everyone who has supported Legion TD this past year. There is much I would still like to do with the map, but I do not have the time.

Thus, I will be releasing an Editor's version of Legion TD. Anyone will now be able to open the map to see how everything works, and possibly publish their own version of Legion TD.

This forum will still be here for Legion TD players and/or editors to discuss the map, so I encourage you to stick around.

Best,
Lisk

...As for me, I will be refocusing my efforts to create a Legion TD sequel on Starcraft 2. More information will be made public in the future on LegionTD.com and this forum when development has further progressed.

 

[-Kobas-]

Ok.

Btw I played map few times, a definitely improved Legion TD.
Here you go approved.

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Ok, I tested the map, and here's my review, its my first review so, here:

Legion TD Mega v2.17 Review by Blindman

Gameplay

The gameplay was nice. It seemed good, the units matched their names, It was fun to play. I picked the Beast one, not sure what its called but it was the Tauren one. But I wondered, I saw a wisp near the top harvesting some lumber. Whats that for? And also, I think you need to make the units which they build not able to move since its a Tower Defense after all. Also, make them not able to die, since it would make it harder for the player if they die. The game seems a little imbalanced, maybe make modes which ask you if single player or multiplayer modes. I'd give this a 4/5.

Replayability

Any TD, in my opinion, with many types of builders have high replayability. Because, some people or maybe a lot of people like trying out different races. When I was done playing with the Tauren builder, I picked the wisp builder. I'd give this a 5/5.

Graphics/Terrain

I shouldn't really care for this especially since it's a TD. But, the landscape was alright. I think that you should make the King a little smaller, he was too huge. I'd give this a 5/5.

Bugs/Leaks/Lags

The game was a bit laggy when I was looking around the map and when the units attack the incoming creeps. I suggest you fix it. This was the only major problem I have encountered. I'd give this a 3/5.

Fun Factor

The game was overall fun. It was nice to play especially when pawning those monsters, since I enjoy seeing mass amounts of units die. Overall fun, but could be better if you added more buildings/units for each builder-type. Maybe 1 whole page for it or 2 pages of units. I'd give this a 5/5.

Rating

4/5 +rep

 

[HuanAk]

Loading screen sample, (map is unprotect)

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

No problem, waiting for a new one.

 

[HuanAk]

The gameplay was nice. It seemed good, the units matched their names, It was fun to play. I picked the Beast one, not sure what its called but it was the Tauren one. But I wondered, I saw a wisp near the top harvesting some lumber. Whats that for?

wisp can harvesting lumber, lumber can spent lumber on :
- upgrade king (eg, max upgraded will give +300dmg, + 10,000hp etc)
- buy summon, summon will send to your enemy and make their life harder(can be 10-20% harder)

both upgrade king and buy summon will give income (show on score board), income is very important for late game because player won't have enough gold to beat lvl20+ without income.

that is why for new player, game usually end at lvl20's boss. for pro, they will learn how to spent their spare gold on wisp+lumber upgrade so they can beat lvl30 boss.

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Oh, ok. Now I understand it.

 

[Sverkerman]

A honor to finally meet the creator of this wonderful map.

I played this alot before with my friends and with all the new stuff you have made for it reasently I see no reason not to give you a 5/5 + rep. Good job.

 

[HuanAk]

A honor to finally meet the creator of this wonderful map.

I played this alot before with my friends and with all the new stuff you have made for it reasently I see no reason not to give you a 5/5 + rep. Good job.

Thank, it is nice to heard that people enjoy my map

Legion TD Mega 3.0 is released now !!!

This is big version with lots of changes, map is also faster with lag reduce ( code should be 100% memory leak free).

 

[-Kobas-]

A honor to finally meet the creator of this wonderful map.

I played this alot before with my friends and with all the new stuff you have made for it reasently I see no reason not to give you a 5/5 + rep. Good job.

Hi is not creator he just edited map just like IceFrog edited dota, but once when he publish large number of new map versions and really improve gameplay to next level, he will be able to call map his own

 

[f0rsAk3n]

Nice Improvement from the original.

Spotted 2 bugs though:
-> Magnataur when upgraded his ability still says "Frenzy" but the buff says "Frost Aura" and the effect is still 50%. Not sure if this is intentional but u should fix the typo then.
-> Wandigoo when upgraded still has the ability which gives 7% evasion, not 12%.

 

[HuanAk]

Nice Improvement from the original.

Spotted 2 bugs though:
-> Magnataur when upgraded his ability still says "Frenzy" but the buff says "Frost Aura" and the effect is still 50%. Not sure if this is intentional but u should fix the typo then.
-> Wandigoo when upgraded still has the ability which gives 7% evasion, not 12%.

thank for bug report. yes it is text typo.

will fixed them in next version. (will lower first frost aura to 40%, and change upgraded frost aura to 60%).

I will add Mercenary in next version (90% done). this race is best for player want to be pure lumber. because you can hire hero to defend for wave (cost lumber).

 

[HuanAk]

( you can find the text below inside readme.txt file)

Download and set up custom Hostbot :

1, copy GHostOne folder into your PC or USB Key

2, set up Battlenet or Garena login

3, (skip this step if you use Garena)
3.1 open \GHostOne\ghost.cfg and enter your battlenet cdkey & login detail
and put cd key, login detail(at the end of the page, or search for keyword "BATTLE.NET CONFIGURATION")

############################
# BATTLE.NET CONFIGURATION #
############################
bnet_cdkeyroc = (enter ROC CD key here)
bnet_cdkeytft = (enter TFT CD key here)
bnet_username = (enter battlenet login for USEAST)
bnet_password = (enter battlenet password for asia)

bnet2_server = useast.battle.net
bnet2_cdkeyroc = (enter ROC CD key here)
bnet2_cdkeytft = (enter TFT CD key here)
bnet2_username = (enter battlenet login for USEAST)
bnet2_password = (enter battlenet password for USEAST)

etc...you can enter all 4 server, as well as private server (like EuropeBattlenet)

4, run GhostOne by : \GHostOne\GHostOne.exe ,
you need to set up once, then it usually automatic start next time
4.1 click on "Run Ghost" at button of window
4.2 go to "Maps tab" -> select map then click "load map" (you can't load without "run ghost"
4.3 (for Garena Only) go to "Options tab", set up garena path and click "Hook Garena" (this will allow you connect garena player with battlenet


5, start game by: go to "Ghost Tab"-> type "autohost 1 6 Legion TD Mega"
1 = number of name host at same time
6 = number of player before game auto start
Legion TD Mega = game's name

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that is all, you can read more FAQ on this link
http://www.codelain.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ


Q: How to use GHost++ with one set of CD keys?
A:
- don't login in battlenet(your hostbot already login),
- join from "Local Area Network" or from Garena.
-

Q: Nobody but me can join my games!
A:
- Firewall setting (make sure you can host without hostbot)
- or read the link below
http://www.codelain.com/wiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions#Microsoft_Loopback_Adapter

 

[kezek]

Small bug

Hi , first of all thanks for the map , its really fun . I noticed a bug in your latest release : if gg mode isn't on , we actually get full bounty for every leak . I'm not sure if I'm missing something though..

 

[HuanAk]

Hi , first of all thanks for the map , its really fun . I noticed a bug in your latest release : if gg mode isn't on , we actually get full bounty for every leak . I'm not sure if I'm missing something though..

Bug confirm. thank for report

3.2 will come out soon
- New Race
- Team fight in middle Arena field after lvl10/lvl20(winner team received bonus gold).

 

[kezek]

Some other bugs/suggestion for beta7:

- hp mode is bugged sometimes (reproduce : -hpmmhgggcblix3 , 4vs4 , I think in 3vs3 this bug didn't appear) , choosing profet - some players get the profet , other do not , some even get one builder that can't be used and must repick

- arena (very good idea btw) started randomly between 12-15 lvls once

- sniper is way too powerful , I suggest nerf the little bastard or make him in the range of about 80g ; seriously , sniper is way too good for its price

- blood orcs are balanced and fun to play with , good job with that

- one time one player got accused of cheating , even though I'm pretty sure he didn't cheat

 

[HuanAk]

thank for report

feel free to email me the replay for any unusualy bug, it will help me identify the bug (if it is hard to repeatable)

my email is [email protected]

for hp bug, it is cause by player pick "random builder" before host pick. I will remove "random builder" from other player under HP mode.

for arena start in lvl12-14. I don't know why, but I will add code to check the level before it happen

for fake anti-cheat message, can you give out more detail, like what builder he use, when it happen (before wave start, during fight, end of wave, lvl30+ etc)... what the message say (eg, how much gold he cheat)... all those information will help me identify which part of my calculate is wrong. and a replay would be nice too

Note: anti-cheat monitor usually check everytime player's value changed. or end of wave.

PS. gg mode is fixed on Beta9

 

[Food4Balance]

Not sure what's causing it, but 3 out of the last 5 games played with friends ended up with fatal error crashes. Everyone gets a fatal error and not just one player.

 

[HuanAk]

Not sure what's causing it, but 3 out of the last 5 games played with friends ended up with fatal error crashes. Everyone gets a fatal error and not just one player.

fatal error crashes cause Artic's spell over-stack.

I will release 3.2a soon to fix this bug.

 

[kezek]

Not sure what's causing it, but 3 out of the last 5 games played with friends ended up with fatal error crashes. Everyone gets a fatal error and not just one player.

Indeed , this is a frequent occurrence lately . But this is the only bug I noticed so far in 3.2 , good job

 

[kezek]

for fake anti-cheat message, can you give out more detail, like what builder he use, when it happen (before wave start, during fight, end of wave, lvl30+ etc)... what the message say (eg, how much gold he cheat)... all those information will help me identify which part of my calculate is wrong. and a replay would be nice too

Note: anti-cheat monitor usually check everytime player's value changed. or end of wave.

Regarding one of your older bugs :

Fake cheat warning : if you have mutant and use the ability (become Juiced Mutant), it will give fake cheat warning and lost gold.

I remember that certain player also had a mutant . Lost the replay so that's pretty much all I can remember (also it was round 10+)

 

[HuanAk]

yes, I am really upset about crash bug.

because I changes debuff icon on Pandaren's spell in last minutes, and didn't know it can cause crash.

will release 3.2a tomorrow. (already pass 3.2a beta to my beta tester)

 

[fatboyz]

hi

the bear on beast race only buffs him self and not others sorry tuck so long to point out i would of thought some body els would of noticed

 

[HuanAk]

Version 3.3 release

3.3 (2011.6.29)
* Fix Fatal Error/Crash cause by Artic
* Infanty attack faster (still same 30dps)
* Juiced Mutant sell for 100% gold if freshly built
* Quick Mode -sd & -ar now include -li


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the bear on beast race only buffs him self and not others sorry tuck so long to point out i would of thought some body els would of noticed

Beast in my version is difference :
- remove group buff from bear, add self buff (Bear is very good tank now)
- Red dragon can splash air creep.

so Beast only have 1 aura (Troll), but with better tank and air splash.

 

[fatboyz]

x

Version 3.3 release

3.3 (2011.6.29)
* Fix Fatal Error/Crash cause by Artic
* Infanty attack faster (still same 30dps)
* Juiced Mutant sell for 100% gold if freshly built
* Quick Mode -sd & -ar now include -li


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Beast in my version is difference :
- remove group buff from bear, add self buff (Bear is very good tank now)
- Red dragon can splash air creep.

so Beast only have 1 aura (Troll), but with better tank and air splash.

ahhhhhhh i did notice it seam to be taking more shit +u are right as wots the point of having a cappy when u could of had bear as well and ty for air splash about time xx

 

[MR.Tricky]

Hoorah for legion td
i only know legion td without the mega
maybe this is bettar because this has a "mega" expansion

 

[fatboyz]

all so i have a prob with profit sometimes it will offer me mercenary afther first build and if i dont exsept it the next round u go to re-roll and it takes the option to re-roll away if u dont take mercenry ie. no re-roll buton but if u take the merconery then the round afther u will get re-roll back all tho it will coast u 50 gold and 200 wood then it gose in to cb mode as well ie u get abuilder rather then the profit 1 looool i hope that all made senc loool dislexsick as fuck just coz i carnt spell dont mean im think and b4 any 1 els says it im 32 not 12 lool

 

[phoepal]

Hello,
I wish to talk about few things on Legion TD MEGA I don't like . Fell free to take them into account or ignore them if you wish . I'm just expressing my opinion .

- First I don't believe incomers need any more restrictions . I can understand why they were weakened by creep reward system , putting on lvl requirements for higher lvl summons and making wood income harder to get , because new player were loosing miserably against good ones ( usually within 8 lvls ) because of high lvl summons . I liked how you handled that by making leeks system thus making full incomers less efficient and not hardcaping like some other Legion TD creators . But now you do by "li" mode . I understand that it is optional but adding it to quick mode makes it very uncomfortable . Also I fear that in the future it could be added permanently thus restricting good players severely as they could not use their tactics to full potential . Remove "li" from quick mode if you please . Income system is restricted enough as it is .

- Second . Lack of hard lvls .
By removing unit stacking you reduced difficulty of some hard lvls ( while adding it hardened some others ). I understand why would you do that as lvl like 8th were really hard and newer players would lose constantly expecially when other teem sends high lvl summons . But removing them all made the map plain and dull . In other words boring . With summon wave limits it is very hard to influence other team performance . After weakening lvl 16 and possibly 24 there and also turning off creep armor increase in high lvls the game is bound to last for along time unless someone fails badly . Over all it becomes far less exiting than before and makes you to chose another maps after playing this once or twice. My thought here , make the hardeness of the game more "Wavy " thus allowing to use summons to force other team to lose as this ability almost gone by now .

- Third . Unit Tweaking disbalanced races .
I like some of the tweaks you made . for example changing forsaken one's amour type to heavy made it awesome tank instead of rather weak . And ghost needed tank badly .Also making greymore into a tank insteat of support was also a fine choise . But constant weakenings on other units made some races a lot less powerful than before , changing then from very good ones to rather poor ones . One example would be Arctic . You altered wandigo's armor from normal to heavy which is a worse for a tank and reduced atack speed, making a still rather good one instead of awesome one . This is partly compensated by making magnotaur stronger . But after removing "Death with honor" from azure dragon and severely reducing splash dmg frost race is left without good damage dealers .Azures armor does not help a lot as dragon should not be a tanks . Over all arctic has reasonably good tanks and no dmg dealers and fails miserably on lvls 16 + . Before ( on 2.7 ) arctic was my favorite race and now I feel that it is one of the weakests and not even close to the ones like mech .
Also I think that dragon splash dmg is reduced way too much . I beleave it's around 20 dmg now and it is useless past lvl 11 . On 2.7 they were best dmg dealers , and now with abillities removed and splash dmg practically gone they are one of the worst top tier units in the game . I understand that on 2.7 splash might have been a bit too powerfull but I think that you reduced it way too much . Since everybody can change builders making splash more powerfull would not disbalance gameplay and bring frost and beast closer to other races in mater of strength in late game .
Other tweaks I don't like :
reducing mermaid frost armor to + 3 . Way too less . make it 5 .
Shadow summons hp reduce . veteran's (mech ) price is 150 and it has around 730 hp . Harbriingers price is 300 and it's and his summons total hp is around 1130 ( on 3.1b) . Meaning it does not have a lot of hp for it's price already . reducing it even further makes it even weaker . Reduce dmg instead .
Reduced AE dmg for minotaur /bigfoot . It is already a bit weak on raged waves because he likes to wonder in circles then , don't make it weak in hand combat as well . His AE dmg wasn't that high even before .

Finally whats up with reducing character number on mode choosing ? I understand that I can combine modes like "gm" but limiting characters just seems inconvenient .

I'll post other suggestions later if I'll have some . Or just write not to and I'll stay sillent .

PS . I like reworked goblin . Liked the old one as well but this one is awesome .

 

[HuanAk]

Update: 2011-10-25


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All Unit stats for 3.41

Race	Fighter	Cost	(Total)	Food	Range	Speed	Min	Max	DPS	HP	Armor	Attack	Ability
Beast	Gnoll Warrior	10	10	1	100	1.2	6	8	5.8	60	Light	Normal	Gnoll Poison
Beast	Gnoll Savage	80	90	1	100	1	34	38	36.0	430	Light	Normal	Deadly Poison
Beast	Ogre Basher	30	30	1	100	2	11	13	6.0	175	Heavy	Siege	Club Smash
Beast	Ogre Pulverizer	105	135	1	100	1	41	61	51.0	630	Heavy	Siege	Knock Out
Beast	Harpy	70	70	1	300	1.1	25	28	24.1	325	Light	Magic	Envenom
Beast	Medusa	125	195	1	300	1	56	63	59.5	820	Light	Magic	Enchanted Poison
Beast	Troll Fighter	105	105	1	425	1.5	63	72	45.0	470	Medium	Normal	None
Beast	Troll Champion	145	250	2	425	1.5	105	117	74.0	810	Medium	Normal	Adrenaline Rush
Beast	Grizzly	180	180	1	100	1.2	99	115	89.2	925	Heavy	Siege	None
Beast	Greymane	205	385	2	100	0.8	142	154	185.0	1585	Heavy	Siege	Battle Cry
Beast	Spawn of Dragon	265	265	2	100	1.5	141	159	100.0	1360	Heavy	Normal	Circle Slash
Beast	Dragon Aspect	320	585	3	350	1.6	232	247	149.7	2195	Heavy	Normal	Whitefire
Mech	Peewee	25	25	1	100	1.5	17	19	12.0	125	Medium	Normal	None
Mech	Veteran	125	150	1	100	1.3	83	94	68.1	740	Medium	Normal	None
Mech	Infantry	60	60	1	600	0.6	16	20	30.0	160	Light	Pierce	None
Mech	Pyro	170	230	2	225	0.5	48	52	100.0	1005	Heavy	Chaos	None
Mech	Zeus	155	215	2	800	0.25	16	18	68.0	450	Light	Pierce	Power Surge
Mech	Captain	110	110	1	90	1.5	60	72	44.0	585	Medium	Normal	Leadership
Mech	Admiral	190	300	2	90	1.7	153	173	95.9	1235	Medium	Normal	Superiority
Mech	Tempest	140	140	1	250	0.6	30	44	61.7	600	Heavy	Siege	None
Mech	Leviathan	265	405	3	250	2.1	263	305	135.2	1420	Heavy	Siege	Sharpnel
Mech	Cyborg	210	210	2	180	1.3	121	135	98.5	1035	Heavy	Normal	None
Mech	Krogoth	290	500	3	180	0.9	156	164	177.8	2200	Heavy	Normal	Vital Slice
Mech	Neotank	360	360	2	450	0.9	143	159	167.8	1420	Fortified	Siege	None
Mech	Doomsday Machine	450	810	5	450	0.9	303	353	364.4	3015	Fortified	Siege	None
Nature	Ent	20	20	1	100	1.4	11	13	8.6	115	Heavy	Normal	None
Nature	Guardian	95	115	1	100	1.4	53	64	41.8	665	Heavy	Normal	Entangle
Nature	Ranger	40	40	1	750	0.9	15	18	18.3	110	Medium	Pierce	Vulture Eye
Nature	Meliai	115	155	1	750	0.9	40	43	46.1	335	Medium	Pierce	Precision, Mark Target
Nature	Sprite	80	80	1	300	0.66	22	27	37.1	360	Light	Magic	Faerie Luck
Nature	Thunderbird	155	235	2	300	1.8	120	132	70.0	955	Heavy	Magic	Aftershock
Nature	Tree of Travel	130	130	1	100	1.5	74	82	52.0	750	Medium	Normal	Helping Hand
Nature	Tree of Time	165	295	2	100	1.5	138	144	94.0	1395	Medium	Normal	Chrono Trigger
Nature	Halfbreed	195	195	1	100	0.9	86	90	97.8	1005	Heavy	Normal	None
Nature	Goliath	225	420	3	180	1.6	246	278	163.8	1655	Heavy	Siege	Natural Armor, Reassurance
Nature	Yggdrasil	290	290	2	180	0.8	91	102	120.6	1250	Fortified	Magic	Sacred Blessing
Nature	Tree of Life	380	670	4	180	1.8	301	334	176.4	2350	Fortified	Magic	Water of Life
Nature	Tree of Knowledge	380	670	4	180	1	201	221	211.0	2570	Fortified	Chaos	Forbidden Fruit
Shadow	Bone Warrior	15	15	1	100	0.6	4	5	7.5	70	Medium	Normal	Frenzy
Shadow	Skeletor	90	105	1	100	0.9	33	39	40.0	485	Medium	Normal	Frenzy, Killing Spree
Shadow	Fire Archer	90	105	1	575	0.4	12	14	32.5	275	Light	Pierce	Frenzy, Flaming Arrows
Shadow	Dark Mage	90	105	1	350	1	27	31	29.0	375	Light	Magic	Frenzy, Mindwarp
Shadow	Carrion Spitter	35	35	1	500	0.8	12	17	18.1	115	Medium	Pierce	None
Shadow	Nightcrawler	110	145	1	500	0.45	28	34	68.9	425	Medium	Pierce	Sticky Webs
Shadow	Gateguard	90	90	1	100	1	24	37	30.5	350	Heavy	Normal	Conjure Fiend
Shadow	Fiend					1.35	14	17	11.5		Heavy	Normal	None
Shadow	Harbinger	150	240	2	100	1.3	72	96	64.6	740	Heavy	Normal	Conjure Fanatic
Shadow	Fanatic				100	1.35	40	47	32.2		Heavy	Normal	None
Shadow	Overseer	130	130	1	225	1.5	64	76	46.7	625	Medium	Magic	Blood Thirst
Shadow	Keeper of Souls	165	295	2	225	1.4	120	132	90.0	1080	Medium	Magic	Sound of Madness
Shadow	Nightmare	215	215	2	100	0.3	15	45	100.0	995	Unarmored	Normal	Shadow Walker
Shadow	Doppelganger	240	455	3	90	0.15	15	37	173.3	1685	Unarmored	Normal	Fatality
Shadow	Lord of Death	300	300	2	400	0.5	35	45	80.0	845	Medium	Chaos	Invoke Inferno
Shadow	Infernal				100	1.35	55	66	44.8	850	Fortified	Chaos	None
Shadow	Hades	380	680	4	400	0.5	70	80	150.0	1475	Medium	Chaos	Diablo
Shadow	Diablotic				600	1.35	51	58	40.4	1200	Light	Pierce	None
Element	Proton	20	20	1	250	1.25	13	13	10.4	100	Light	Chaos	None
Element	Adept	140	160	1	250	1.45	100	100	69.0	560	Light	Chaos	None
Element	Aqua Spirit	50	50	1	375	0.8	13	18	19.4	200	Medium	Normal	Water Splash
Element	Oceanus	130	180	1	375	0.9	49	54	57.2	575	Medium	Normal	Deluge
Element	Watcher	80	80	1	300	0.9	36	42	43.3	335	Light	Magic	None
Element	Violet	150	230	2	300	0.8	51	61	70.0	850	Medium	Magic	Blue Wind
Element	Mudman	130	130	1	100	1.35	75	81	57.8	735	Heavy	Normal	None
Element	Golem	170	300	2	100	1.3	166	180	133.1	1490	Heavy	Siege	None
Element	Disciple	200	200	2	550	1	57	71	64.0	670	Light	Pierce	Mana Burst
Element	Messiah	260	460	3	550	0.9	119	125	135.6	1085	Light	Magic	Mana Burst, Amplify Magic
Element	Seer of Darkness	345	345	2	400	1	142	156	149.0	1050	Medium	Magic	Energy Shield
Element	Fenix	400	745	4	400	0.98	193	205	203.1	1700	Medium	Magic	Energy Shield, Focus Energy
Ghost	Specter	25	25	1	500	0.33	4	5	13.6	75	Unarmored	Magic	Phase Out
Ghost	Wraith	90	115	1	600	0.33	14	20	51.5	230	Unarmored	Magic	Disturb
Ghost	Mercurial	130	245	1	600	0.33	35	40	113.6	440	Unarmored	Magic	Traumatize
Ghost	Wanderer	50	50	1	100	0.9	16	20	20.0	285	Medium	Normal	None
Ghost	Soul of Hero (atk)	120	170	1	100	1	78	90	84.0	710	Medium	Normal	Change Stance
Ghost	Soul of Hero (def)	120	170	1	100	1	67	71	69.0	835	Medium	Normal	Change Stance
Ghost	Soul of Villain	120	170	1	400	1.2	74	80	64.2	630	Light	Magic	Violate
Ghost	Phantom	125	125	1	250	1.6	0	0	0.0	475	Light	Magic	Silent Scream
Ghost	Hell Raiser	130	255	2	250	1.25	0	0	0.0	580	Light	Magic	Cacophony
Ghost	Outcast	200	200	2	100	0.85	73	80	90.0	1040	Heavy	Normal	None
Ghost	Forsaken One	210	410	3	90	0.75	105	119	149.3	1705	Heavy	Siege	Insanity
Ghost	Apparition	250	250	2	500	1	118	130	124.0	665	Medium	Pierce	sickness aura
Ghost	Gravekeeper	200	450	3	600	1.1	209	219	194.5	1025	Medium	Pierce	Despair Aura
Ghost	Dark Priest	325	325	2	700	0.82	100	121	134.8	690	Unarmored	Magic	Haunting
Ghost	Meridian	350	675	4	700	1	196	224	210.0	1000	Unarmored	Magic	Ghost Essence, Catastrophe
Demi	Goblin Scientist	20	20	1	400	1	10	11	10.5	95	Light	Siege	None
Demi	Dwarven Engineer	50	70	1	400	1	21	27	24.0	265	Light	Siege	Mortar
Demi	Mutant	300	370	3	400	1.3	209	220	165.0	1600	Heavy	Siege	Inject Steroids
Demi	Servant	40	40	1	100	1.5	25	35	20.0	200	Medium	Normal	None
Demi	Slavemaster	120	160	1	100	1	65	75	70.0	770	Medium	Normal	Slave Trade
Demi	Tribesman	80	80	1	325	0.8	26	35	38.1	385	Medium	Pierce	Throw Net
Demi	Alpha Male	140	220	2	325	0.8	56	67	76.9	900	Medium	Pierce	Throw Net, Fury
Demi	Medicine Man	110	110	1	500	1.4	39	55	33.6	450	Light	Magic	Mend
Demi	Oracle	160	270	2	500	1.4	87	109	70.0	935	Light	Magic	Guardian Spirit
Demi	Harlot	180	180	1	100	1.05	100	108	99.0	835	Heavy	Pierce	None
Demi	Mistress	180	360	2	100	1.05	153	169	153.3	1580	Heavy	Pierce	Seduce
Demi	Minotaur	275	275	2	100	1.2	128	152	116.7	1415	Heavy	Normal	Tremor
Demi	Bigfoot	325	600	4	90	1.2	233	257	204.2	2465	Heavy	Normal	Fissure
Marine	Hatchling	10	10	1	100	1.7	9	10	5.6	55	Unarmored	Normal	None
Marine	Swamprunner	50	60	1	100	1	24	30	27.0	280	Unarmored	Normal	None
Marine	Fangtooth	90	150	1	90	0.8	51	57	67.5	660	Unarmored	Chaos	Feast
Marine	Defiler	90	150	1	90	1.1	65	69	60.9	690	Unarmored	Normal	Biotoxin
Marine	Egg Sack	50	50	1	400	1	16	18	17.0	260	Fortified	Magic	Withdraw
Marine	Sky Dragon	120	170	1	400	1	62	72	67.0	635	Medium	Pierce	Brawl
Marine	Bottom Feeder	85	85	1	180	1.2	41	46	36.3	400	Heavy	Siege	Delicacy
Marine	King Claw	140	225	2	180	1.2	102	118	91.7	1000	Heavy	Siege	Delicacy
Marine	Mermaid	130	130	1	500	1.1	43	54	44.1	505	Light	Pierce	Water Sphere
Marine	Highborne	170	300	2	500	1.1	90	101	86.8	930	Light	Pierce	Storm Geyser
Marine	Komodo	180	180	1	100	0.8	63	74	85.6	880	Medium	Normal	Submerge
Marine	Trident	250	430	3	100	1	140	160	150.0	1770	Medium	Normal	Concussion
Marine	Sea Giant	280	280	2	180	0.95	119	131	131.6	1380	Heavy	Normal	None
Marine	Hydra	340	620	4	325	1.05	178	275	215.7	1660	Heavy	Magic	Triple Attack, Mitosis
Marine	Mini Hydra				320	1	55	65	60.0	800	Unarmored	Magic	None
Elf	Colt	20	20	1	100	1	10	12	11.0	90	Unarmored	Normal	None
Elf	Rider	100	120	1	200	1.1	66	70	61.8	400	Unarmored	Pierce	None
Elf	Novice	40	40	1	100	1	18	20	19.0	210	Light	Normal	None
Elf	Crusader	110	150	1	100	0.8	52	60	70.0	770	Heavy	Normal	None
Elf	Sentry	80	80	1	400	1	16	24	20.0	350	Medium	Pierce	Magic Missile
Elf	Nightsaber	140	220	2	400	0.8	50	54	65.0	850	Medium	Pierce	Moon Glaive
Elf	Prisoner	125	125	1	300	0.8	41	47	55.0	550	Fortified	Chaos	None
Elf	Maverick	170	295	2	300	1	95	101	98.0	920	Medium	Chaos	Mirage
Elf	Druid	200	200	2	500	1	76	84	80.0	815	Unarmored	Magic	Wrath of Nature
Elf	Ascendant	220	420	3	500	0.8	111	121	145.0	1450	Unarmored	Magic	Faerie Fire
Elf	Sword Mage	220	420	3	180	0.9	120	130	138.9	1850	Medium	Magic	Enchant Fire
Elf	Moon Guard	300	300	2	100	0.6	79	89	140.0	1350	Heavy	Normal	Fan of Knives
Elf	Warden	350	650	4	100	0.5	70	80	150.0	2670	Heavy	Normal	Coup de Grace
Artic	Tuskarr	20	20	1	100	1.4	16	17	11.8	95	Medium	Normal	None
Artic	Tuskarr Spearman	80	100	1	350	0.6	16	17	27.5	280	Medium	Pierce	Ice Spear
Artic	Frost Wolf	45	45	1	100	1.5	21	22	14.3	200	Medium	Normal	Bleeding
Artic	Pandaren	135	175	1	100	0.6	49	52	84.2	800	Medium	Normal	Frost Nova
Artic	Ice Troll	80	80	1	300	0.8	36	37	45.6	335	Light	Magic	Frost Shield
Artic	Ice Troll Shaman	150	230	2	300	0.5	51	53	104.0	850	Medium	Magic	Ice Shield, Cold Atatck
Artic	Polar Bear	130	130	1	100	0.8	45	47	57.5	600	Medium	Normal	Frost Aura, Bash
Artic	Magnataur	170	300	2	180	1.1	115	118	105.9	1330	Medium	Siege	Frost Aura, Critical Strike
Artic	Wandigoo	180	180	2	180	1.2	90	100	79.2	750	Heavy	Normal	Evasion
Artic	Ancient Wandigoo	250	430	3	180	1	173	187	180.0	1770	Heavy	Normal	Evasion
Artic	Young Frost Dragon	265	265	2	300	1.2	140	145	118.8	1360	Unarmored	Magic	Breath of Frost
Artic	Azure Dragon	340	625	4	360	1.6	232	247	149.7	2195	Unarmored	Magic	Azure’s Breath, Azure's Armor
Goblin	Small Land Mine	20	20	1	10	1	1	1	1.0	20	Unarmored	Normal	Kaboom!
Goblin	Medium Land Mine	70	70	1	10	1	1	1	1.0	50	Unarmored	Normal	Kaboom!
Goblin	Ultra Land Mine	160	160	1	10	1	1	1	1.0	90	Unarmored	Normal	Kaboom!
Goblin	Geomancer	40	40	1	90	0.8	15	17	20.0	200	Medium	Normal	None
Goblin	Clockwreck	130	170	1	100	1	76	84	80.0	770	Fortified	Normal	Cluster Rockets
Goblin	Machine Turrent	90	90	1	500	1	23	27	25.0	380	Light	Pierce	Burst Shot
Goblin	Machine Robot	160	250	2	500	1	66	68	67.0	900	Light	Pierce	Burst Shot
Goblin	Flying Machine	130	130	1	350	1	50	60	55.0	600	Medium	Pierce	Telescope
Goblin	Helicopter	170	300	2	350	1	100	140	120.0	1200	Medium	Magic	Advanced Telescope
Goblin	Goblin Alchemist	180	180	1	120	1	40	45	42.5	900	Light	Normal	Chemical Rage
Goblin	Goblin Blaster	220	400	3	180	1	140	160	150.0	1850	Heavy	Normal	Overclocking
Goblin	Steamroller	305	305	2	180	1	130	150	140.0	1350	Fortified	Siege	Goblin Driver
Goblin	Assault Tank	350	655	4	325	1	252	268	260.0	2300	Fortified	Siege	Goblin Driver
Paladin	Peasant	15	15	1	100	1	6	9	7.5	75	Light	Normal	None
Paladin	Militia	95	110	1	100	1	50	54	52.0	535	Medium	Normal	None
Paladin	Archer	50	50	1	600	0.5	12	13	25.0	180	Light	Pierce	None
Paladin	Elite Archer	155	205	2	600	0.55	13	13	23.6	650	Light	Pierce	Multishot
Paladin	Footman	80	80	1	100	1.5	55	59	38.0	385	Medium	Normal	None
Paladin	Guard	160	240	2	90	0.6	60	66	105.0	1150	Medium	Normal	Defence
Paladin	Priest	130	130	1	500	1	53	63	58.0	420	Light	Magic	Heal
Paladin	High Priest	170	300	2	500	1	118	136	127.0	840	Light	Magic	Greater Heal
Paladin	Knight	200	200	1	180	0.9	70	80	83.3	880	Heavy	Normal	None
Paladin	Cavalier	220	420	3	180	1	180	191	185.5	1770	Heavy	Normal	Harden Armor
Paladin	Dragon Hawk	320	320	2	300	0.8	120	128	155.0	1480	Medium	Magic	None
Paladin	Royal Griffin	360	680	4	300	1.5	300	300	200.0	2675	Medium	Magic	Storm Hammer
Orc	Orc Warrior	20	20	1	100	1	10	10	10.0	100	Unarmored	Normal	None
Orc	Blood Orc Warrior	80	100	1	100	1	50	50	50.0	500	Unarmored	Normal	Frenzy
Orc	Wolverine	150	250	2	100	0.6	54	66	100.0	1050	Unarmored	Chaos	Berserk, Finishing Blow
Orc	Orc Warlock	60	60	1	350	1.5	42	46	29.3	260	Light	Magic	Cripple
Orc	Blood Orc Warlock	120	180	1	350	1.5	116	124	80.0	660	Light	Magic	Corruption
Orc	Raider	90	90	1	90	1	24	37	30.5	350	Heavy	Normal	Summon Wolf
Orc	Blood Raider	150	240	2	90	1.3	72	96	64.6	740	Heavy	Normal	Summon Blood Wolf
Orc	Young Witch Doctor	100	100	1	400	1	40	40	40.0	400	Light	Magic	Healing Aura
Orc	Elder Witch Doctor	100	300	2	400	1	106	114	110.0	1100	Light	Magic	Greater Healing Aura
Orc	Wyvern	180	180	1	500	1	82	98	90.0	700	Medium	Pierce	None
Orc	Wind Rider	180	360	3	500	0.8	104	120	140.0	1200	Medium	Pierce	Envenomed Spears
Orc	Orc Warchief	300	300	2	150	1.5	190	200	130.0	1400	Heavy	Normal	Pulverize
Orc	Thrall	380	680	4	180	1	252	268	260.0	2500	Fortified	Chaos	Storm Bolt
Undead	Acolyte	20	20	1	350	0.8	8	9	10.6	100	Light	Magic	None
Undead	Revenant	80	100	1	350	0.6	28	32	50.0	380	Light	Magic	None
Undead	Ghoul	60	60	1	100	1	24	30	27.0	280	Unarmored	Normal	None
Undead	Frenzy Ghoul	90	150	1	100	0.8	51	53	65.0	660	Unarmored	Chaos	Life Steal
Undead	Meat Wagon	70	70	1	500	1	31	37	34.0	265	Fortified	Siege	Small Splash
Undead	War Machine	140	210	2	500	1	92	106	99.0	600	Fortified	Siege	Small Splash
Undead	Necromancer	130	130	1	400	1.1	31	42	33.2	300	Light	Pierce	Raise Dead
Undead	Necrolyte	170	300	2	400	1.1	77	88	75.0	750	Light	Pierce	Mass Dead
Undead	Ghost	170	300	2	400	1.1	105	115	100.0	1000	Light	Pierce	Heartstopper
Undead	Zombie	190	190	1	100	0.8	59	64	76.9	880	Medium	Normal	Disease Cloud
Undead	The Butcher	220	410	3	120	1.6	237	275	160.0	1770	Medium	Normal	Plague Cloud, Life Steal
Undead	Guardian of Death	320	320	2	180	1.2	121	143	110.0	1550	Heavy	Normal	Cleave Attack
Undead	Death Dragon	380	700	4	350	1.6	313	328	200.3	2600	Heavy	Normal	Death's Breath

 

[HuanAk]

all so i have a prob with profit sometimes it will offer me mercenary afther first build and if i dont exsept it the next round u go to re-roll and it takes the option to re-roll away if u dont take mercenry ie. no re-roll buton but if u take the merconery then the round afther u will get re-roll back all tho it will coast u 50 gold and 200 wood then it gose in to cb mode as well ie u get abuilder rather then the profit 1 looool i hope that all made senc loool dislexsick as fuck just coz i carnt spell dont mean im think and b4 any 1 els says it im 32 not 12 lool

yes, I just confirm this Prophet is bug... I forget to add special rule for Prophet's re-roll.

I will add it to bug list and fixed it in next version.

FYI:
- "change to mercenary" will pop up when your "fighter's value" is less than 60% of "recommand value".
- "change to mercenary" is disable under "-li" mode. (because -li mode will limit income, which make mercenary useless)

 

[phoepal]

I understand that mega was based on 1.6 and not on 2.7 . It's just that most of statistics like unit armor types hp and dmg are either same or very similar in 1.6 and 2.7 . I used past tense because it was last version I transfered from . My mistake .
The thing I am worried is not disappearance of pure inc but restrictions on mixer . On one of the older versions I played (1.5xbn I believe )there was a restriction on how many whisps you can have on certain fighter value . As a result even I was sure that my forces will hold I was forced to build more fighters instead of investing remaining gold on income thus forcing me to be average mixer instead of heavy one . This rule made it very hard for good player to be at least bit ahead of average or even new one . Mega is now my prefered version and I don't want that mega would become like that .
I will not brag about difficulty . Your game your choice .
I understand that theoretical dragon dmg is high especially on lvl 11 . But dragons have very long attack animation which sometimes interupts when the target dies before attack reaching it thus canceling that attack .Because of that dragons attack a lot less often then they should . Sometimes this reduces their actual attack speed to as low as 2 attacks per 12 seconds . This is very notable on early - mid game ( 11-15)
The difference between races are still notable . For example at the end of lvl 16 while playing mech I easily have 7/7 and don't leak even if I get strongest summon (at that time ) on each wave . While playing elemental I barely manage to get 7/4 at the same time and have a high risk of leaking with every high lvl summon I get . Races on mega are more even than on 2.7 but it feels like nerfing some races made them a bit weaker than average . I might be imagining .
The restictions for good players is the reason why I trasfered to mega . It gives me more challenge . Also as new players fail less often there a more average players that stick around . I just don't want these restictions to be permanent or so severe that good player would have no advantage vs new ones at all .

These diferences are the reason why I chose mega instead of 2.7b . I'm quite comfortabe with it as I already played 50 + times . The reason why I'm writing this is not because it is bad but because of what bad things might appear .

In the end I just want to mention that elemental seems to lack tanks . Mudmans/ goliath hp/gold ratio is good but it performs poorly as a tank in mid game forcing player to change builder early on without building as much fenix as he/she would like or reducing amount of gold invested in income severely .Maybe changing mudman's armor type to normal or reducing goliath's hp and changing armor type to fortified might help . Once again just a suggestion .
By the way I don't know if this is intentional but players can see whisp number and lumber gathering upgrades done by other team during arena events . This allows quite accurately guess what kind of summons you are going to get in the future for example wherever you will get demon on lvl 20 .

 

[HuanAk]

- one time one player got accused of cheating , even though I'm pretty sure he didn't cheat

Legion TD Mega 3.3 have an anti-cheat monitor. it will give warning message to player if detect any player with extra gold/lumber.

 

[kezek]

I'll also give some (favorable) input . 3.3 is great , I haven't found any bugs whatsoever and the balancing is great imho (good job with nerfing the snipers btw) . I've been playing for a while with no gg and this is where the map really shines . I like how some races are very specific , like ghost with no uber tank (but awesome backunits) , or no obvious dpsers for artic (but lots of slows -> lower dps from waves ) . Also mercs I found are pretty well formulated at this moment , they still are slightly OP , but not so fun to play with , so usually in a PRO match you get to use them only as a last resort (starting with merc is a whole different story) .

Good job and keep those versions rolling

le : another thing worth mentioning . I think gg is overall a flawed mode . Why ? Lets take a practical example :

3vs3 , some round , recommended value of 3000

team's 1 values : 3600 + 2800 + 2000 = 8400
team's 2 values : 3000 + 2700 + 2700 = 8400

So we theoretically got major leaks from team1 (from player 3 , very low value) vs small leaks from 2 players from team 2 . In most scenarios , team 1 will outperfom team 2 in holding the leaked waves , because the over builder lost few units etc.. , while team 2 probably has some leftovers that won't hold much .

GG encourages overbuilding and basically ruins the game . Besides , it beats the point of legion . This is a teamwork map , if one player from a team is weak he shouldn't make his team stronger in the long run . I know you fixed the GG mode by modifying bounty based on how much was leaked , but the problem is even in a 100% leak , they still get one gold per unit . Not to mention if the weak player eventually leaves after a good amount of feeding for his team . This is the worst possible scenario .

I would suggest removing gg from quick mode .

 

[HuanAk]

gg is slightly change in version 3.3.

old gg : if value > 90% of recommand value. then leaked bounty = 100%
new gg : leaked bounty = value/recommand value. if % is less than 10%, then it will give 0 gold.

plus it will use round-down rule. eg 90% x 6 gold = 5.4 gold = 5 gold.

I can't remove gg because there are so many new/average player like it.

-----------

to solved your problem :

3vs3 , some round , recommended value of 3000

team's 1 values : 3600 + 2800 + 2000 = 8400
team's 2 values : 3000 + 2700 + 2700 = 8400

- I change the map's difficult ( huge jump after lvl20)
- I give huge bonus gold after lvl20 (highest bonus is 370 gold, at lvl30)
- map difficult is combine of creep's bounty(30%-40%) + income(30%-40) + bonus(10-30%)

so the result is :
- gold from bounty only count toward 30-40% of total gold on each wave.(after lvl20)
- leak is very hard to kill (eg strongest player can't kill 20+ leak)
- king become more important, and healing give 2nd chance from a bad leak.

 

[kezek]

I know it has been mentioned before , but Hades are seriosuly OPed in 30+ . Maybe allow only one single spawn (no cooldown ?) before they teleport to the king .

 

[HuanAk]

Hade is slightly op, and many race can do similar. I won't nerf Hade, but will slightly adjust the cost (cost +5% more)

for the term "OP", you should compare to "secret" Merch build from version 3.1b or earlier, which result 7/5 lumber at lvl10, 600 income at lvl20, 1200 income lvl30 etc.

for version 3.3, there are still one "OP" race with secret build, and you can get 7/5lumber at lvl10, and 600-700 income by lvl20. 1200-1400 income at lvl31 . I can't tell you which race or how to build it. but I am sure it fixed in next version

anyway, for version 3.4:

- New Race: Undead & Pirate
- more Hostbot support (eg, hostbot can collect game stat to public on website)
- new king (Old king, admiral proudmoore will become pirate)

Mercenary :
- will become more balance
- first two tower cost more lumber, less gold
- tower give more income (similar to summon)
- overall I want to make sure they won't have too much lumber leftover to buy summon in early game
- 4th tower is disable, untill max lumberjack, it also cheaper so they can defend up to lvl26

Ghost:
- 5th unit ability change. it will have 5% & 15% debuff
- 6th unit(upgraded) will tank better.

Shadow:
- Phantam/Doggple ganster tank better
- Hades cost 5% more (350 -> 380 gold)

- Red Dragon/Azure dragon should have more dps
- Paladin's knight attack faster(same dps)

Arena:
- if both team die, there won't be 2 winner (will add a new result "draw", both team will get 100 gold)
- after arena fight, winner builder + fighter can attack loser's builder.(possible give 10 bounty if killed )

Level 31:
- lvl31, map should be visible on middle hall
- possible changes how lvl31 fight

----------

new Unlock code:
- add new unlock code for every race
- if you can beat lvl30 with a single race(without change builder), then you will received your personal password
- type "-unlock password" to unlock
- password only work for your player name.

rule for unlock: (will work out more detail later)
- reach 16,000 value, 500 income, less than 30 leaked

unlock special look/ability
- add some cool look
- add new pet (pet worth around 5% of total fighter's value)

 

[Dogzo]

Hi is not creator he just edited map just like IceFrog edited dota, but once when he publish large number of new map versions and really improve gameplay to next level, he will be able to call map his own

what do you mean icefrog edited dota ? , i though he was the creator, then ho is the real creator?!?

 

[HuanAk]

what do you mean icefrog edited dota ? , i though he was the creator, then ho is the real creator?!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_the_Ancients

The first version of "Defense of the Ancients" was released in 2003 by a mapmaker "Eul"

After the release of Warcraft's expansion The Frozen Throne, Eul did not update his map, so other mapmakers start to add their own version.

the most successful version was "DotA Allstars", edited by Guinsoo; this version would become today's dominant version of the map

when Dota become more popular, Guinsoo can't do all the work and start to recruit more developer to help him. after version 6.01. he handing over control to the new author, IceFrog.

currently :
Guinsoo is working on League of Legends (sold for $400 million on May 2011)
IceFrog is working on Dota 2. (release of late 2011)

 

[Dogzo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_the_Ancients

The first version of "Defense of the Ancients" was released in 2003 by a mapmaker "Eul"

After the release of Warcraft's expansion The Frozen Throne, Eul did not update his map, so other mapmakers start to add their own version.

the most successful version was "DotA Allstars", edited by Guinsoo; this version would become today's dominant version of the map

when Dota become more popular, Guinsoo can't do all the work and start to recruit more developer to help him. after version 6.01. he handing over control to the new author, IceFrog.

currently :
Guinsoo is working on League of Legends (sold for $400 million on May 2011)
IceFrog is working on Dota 2. (release of late 2011)

1. is eul still online, or can you give me a link to his webpage or somthing to contact?
2. league of legends sucks

 

[cloud88f]

Dont know if its a bug but...
WHen i Play Night elf And i change builder I allways get Nightelf or Hybred note this is everytime

The when i change again for the 2. time it says 5/5 this is your last builder... etc...

. and its everytime "btw IM the host /red " it dint happen to my mate who's also played the map and did the same with same race etc ^^


everytime is 5 times in a row

 

[HuanAk]

Dont know if its a bug but...
WHen i Play Night elf And i change builder I allways get Nightelf or Hybred note this is everytime

The when i change again for the 2. time it says 5/5 this is your last builder... etc...

. and its everytime "btw IM the host /red " it dint happen to my mate who's also played the map and did the same with same race etc ^^


everytime is 5 times in a row

I think it is just bad luck, because it will give you random race from change builder.

if you pick Hybrid from start (-ap), you will see the change builder description will say 5/5.

It mean :as one of most powerful race. It can only change builder one.

 

[iamthekira]

Hi, congrats for the map, would give 5 out of 5 if i wasn't newly registered ^^

for version 3.3, there are still one "OP" race with secret build, and you can get 7/5lumber at lvl10, and 600-700 income by lvl20. 1200-1400 income at lvl31 . I can't tell you which race or how to build it. but I am sure it fixed in next version

this made me register. i know the secret build. mwhahaha
also, two bugs, one you already noticed when we played:
-the priest from paladin doesnt teleport, it goes along the middle area. happens to most players, not just the ones on blue or its color on east.
-in arena, there was just a hydra standing. its two little hydras would've beat the rest of the fighters from the other side, but just as soon as it died, the team received 100 gold. fighter's abilites don't count in arena, or is it just a bug? since auras matter, think it should be fixed for 3.4 even if it was intended to be this way

thanks and congrats again, huan ^^

 

[LR_Razor]

Dunno if this bug has been reported or not..
If you use the heal spell on king, then rapidly press S (stop) right after that, the heal spell will still work on king, but the spell wont be removed. This allows some ill-mannereed players to abuse heals on king, literally immortal ~~.

 

[HuanAk]

Dunno if this bug has been reported or not..
If you use the heal spell on king, then rapidly press S (stop) right after that, the heal spell will still work on king, but the spell wont be removed. This allows some ill-mannereed players to abuse heals on king, literally immortal ~~.

thank for report

I received bug report about people heal multiple time, but I can't find out how they did it.

you are first one to explain how it happen, I will check my code to make sure spell is 100% remove (even after press Stop).

 

[HuanAk]

Beta 3

I will edit this post when there are newer beta

Current Beta : Beta 12

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Changes Log :

New Race (Undead)
- Tier 1: range, magic damage
- Tier 2: melee, lifesteal
- Tier 3: range, siege damage, with small splash.
- Tier 4: raise dead, Aura ( -1% hp per second)
- Tier 5: melee, tank. small range aura, both aura stack.
- Tier 6: splash (similar to beast)

Mecenary rework:
- 1st unit: 10 Gold, 25 Lumber.
- 2nd unit: 25 Gold, 50 Lumber, +1 income, 330 Value.
- 3th unit: 50 Gold, 75 Lumber, +3 income, 500 Value.
- 4th unit: 100 Gold, 100 Lumber, +5 income, 900 value. (this unit is disable untill max lumberjack)
- Mecenary can defend up to level 31 without change builder.

Paladin
- Paladin night attack faster. (same dps)
- Guard attack faster. (same dps)
- Elite archer damage changed : 12->13 ( still 5 target)
- Priest spell change : 50hp -> 100hp (mana cost double)
- High Priest heal spell changed: 100hp -> 200hp (mana cost double)

Marine:
- Hydra's Tripple attack changed: 60% -> 80% damage
- Hydra's mini hydra: spawn 2-->3 mini Hydra
- Highbone : add sphere (cost 0 mana, 7 second cooldown, 10 second duration)
- Sky Dragon's have 100% critical hit on air (sky dragon is upgrade from Egg)

Artic
- Remove slow from Ice Troll shaman
- Add AE slow to azure dragon
- Ancient Wandigo evasion work correctly(was 7% with fake description, now 12%)
- Dragon Aspect & Azure Dragon have better animation

Ghost :
- Apparition have new aura: 5% (stack with Gravekeeper's aura)
- Apparition/Gravekeeper attack range changed (600->500, so aura cover more unit)
- Meridian (Ghost's 6th unit) HP change from 100->1000
- Ghost's Insanity : remove -12hp effect

Element :
- Mana regen aura : 3% -> 5% (eg, if you have 30mana, it will add +1.5 mana/second)

Shadow:
- Hades cost more (355->380)
- Nightmare/Doppleganster tank better (light -> unarmored)

Nature:
- Tree of Knowledge's AoE spell limit to 15 target

Demi:
- Alpha Male: reduce spell animation (almost instantly cast)

Orc:
- Blood Orc warrior dps reduce (50->45dps)
- Wolverine's Finishing blow changed (5% to 3%)
- Wind Rider attack slower (same dps)
- Poison cannot kill creep (will leave it with 1hp)

Goblin:
- Goblin's driver will elf-destructive when die ( same effect as small/medium land mine)

Creep:
- level 22, 28 is slightly easier (around 5-10% easier)
- 17,18,23,24,25,26,27 is harder

Summon:
- correct shortcut key for Pudge & shaman
- Add new summon: Infernal (1000 Lumber, melee, Bash, Burning AOE)
- Behemouch changes: add +3 armor aura
- Krakken changes: add healing aura (+4 hp AOE)

Arena:
- Level 10 Arena = 1x free Turtle.
- Level 20 Arena = 3x free Turtle.
- Unit/Turtle won't move untill fight start
- Summon/Pet will remove after fight finish.
- Add new result for Arena: "Draw" (if both team die, they share the prize).
- Builder cannot move outside their own area during arena fight(before teleport)

Bug fix :
- Frost Aura & Telescope Aura won't stay after fighter die.
- Chariot won't make crit on Ascedent/unarmor
- Map is visible to all afer level 31.
- "-next" command won't display anything after level 31.
- Player cannot use Holy Light more than once
- Player cannot use Holy Light on your own building (can only cast on king)
- Player cannot buy wisp at start if -li mode is on.
- Goblin steamroller should summon driver after die
- Correct many description/tooltip errors.

Game & Hostbot:
- New map layout & size
- New Loading screen & minimap (thank Shengshun)
- New spawn & pathing (Try out 4v4, lag is much better now)
- Creep enter dark green area will received +2 armor
- Automatic "-next" information at the end of every wave.
- Bounty on leaked is more accuracy.
- Poisons cannot longer kill unit (poison will stop at 1hp, to avoid no bounty bug)
- after game over, game will shutdown in 30 seconds (not more AFKer for 10 hours on hostbot).
- Remove player name "attacker" on player 9 and 10. (hostbot can use these slot for talking)


Votekick :
- add new votekick system.
- start by -kick or -votekick. (you can cancel votekick after it start)
- Host have unlimit -votekick, everyone else can only "Fail" once.
- Require 50% positive vote to kick
- "Positive vote" = "Yes" - "No"

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[Food4Balance]

Just played my first game on this new version and merc is way too strong. It was overpowered in 3.3, but now it's even stronger. Got 1,039 income at level 22 and then the game ended. Consider making the 2nd unit +2 income instead of +3. I'm sure merc can get 1,250+ income by 22 because I had some leaks and upgrade mistakes and still was able to easily get 1,039.

Haven't tried the other races yet, but will post more balance comments as I play more.

Looking forward to the new race!

 

[HuanAk]

Just played my first game on this new version and merc is way too strong. It was overpowered in 3.3, but now it's even stronger. Got 1,039 income at level 22 and then the game ended. Consider making the 2nd unit +2 income instead of +3. I'm sure merc can get 1,250+ income by 22 because I had some leaks and upgrade mistakes and still was able to easily get 1,039.

Haven't tried the other races yet, but will post more balance comments as I play more.

Looking forward to the new race!

Good report, especial how much income at level 22.

I have been busy making new version so can't spent too much time to play untill later beta.

what is main problem for Mercenary in 3.3 ?
- I saw people complaint about summon too much in early game (like 2x Blood Orc at level 5-7). <-- this should fixed in beta2 ?
- too many noob play mercenary <-- so I disable 4th unit untill max lumberjack
- mercenary can't handle late game <-- so I make 4th unit cheaper, and more income.


it still need adjust before 3.4 release. I need more feedback in these area:
- do mercenary still have spare lumber to send mass summon on enemy ? (early & mid game)
- how much spare gold you got around level 10/15/20.
- how much stronger if mercenary change builder? (compare to 3.3)

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in my design for mercenary :

Max lumberjack = 1200-1500 lumber per round
Max income per level(1 per 20 wood) = +60-70 income per round
1,000 income at level 20 ==> 1600-1700 income at level 30

at level 30, 1500/1500 income can buy 15x 4th unit = 12,000 value.

so Mecenary can handle up to level 30, with small leak or not leak ?

look like I have to lower their income to 800 @ level 20.