Korea at War

[trolman]

They should not. I don't think they do. I was simply pointing out the irony of the situation.

I wouldn't want the US anywhere near my country either. Unfortunately we share a border. It's like sitting next to the kid in science class who copies of your tests and farts all the time.

God I hate that country,messing into the world's buisness...

 

[HQCosTheta]

God I hate that country,messing into the world's buisness...

Yeah, it's been hard to respect them over the last 10 years. I thought things would change when they voted in Obama, I thought that was proof positive that they had been shocked into thinking outside the box. It was too easy for the conservatives to turn the people against him.

Once, a long time ago, I was proud to be American, I felt a twinge of it during the last election...I feel only shame now. That's why I stayed in Canada. Americans used to be a proud country with strong ethics but now they make all of their decisions based on the fear of the enemies they have made over the last century. The government uses the fear to control the people. It's ugly. My mom lives back there again. She works 3 jobs just to stay alive. I live free up here. I have the time to devote to my children 24/7 while my wife brings in enough money for all of us with her home business.

American's think they are free. They are enslaved to a corporate controlled fake democracy where only the people at the top are free. They fought so hard to stop slavery only to become slaves themselves.

It pains me.

[EDIT]

Actually, what pains me more is the number of good Americans who get no credit. So many people hate America for the 50% of of the people who give it a bad name. You need only watch their elections to see how polarized they are.

 

[Jughead]

"Say you want to send in a team of assassins that will surgically remove him from the country, at least that's an intelligent goal. Don't tell me mass murder, or the genocide of an entire people over an assumption is something you should do just because he would. That's an appalling thing to say.

May haps you should "Watch the words".

Assassins wont cut it. Kim Jung Il is probably living in like a bunker with like million troops guarding the perimeter of something. Plus nothing looks worse than a captured assassin.

I'm just frustrated by the fact that though we have the resources and capability to deal with the issue, we're confined by regulations to do so. I still say we bomb em, offense is the best defense. Better them than us.

 

[HQCosTheta]

Assassins wont cut it. Kim Jung Il is probably living in like a bunker with like million troops guarding the perimeter of something. Plus nothing looks worse than a captured assassin.

I'm just frustrated by the fact that though we have the resources and capability to deal with the issue, we're confined by regulations to do so. I still say we bomb em, offense is the best defense. Better them than us.

Oh come on. You're more afraid about looking bad because of a captured assassin meant to remove a psychopath from power (being the good guys) than looking bad for the mass murder of innocent women and children (being the bad guys)? You're saying one American Black Ops specialist's (who signed up for it) life is more important than an entire countries population.

Having power and knowing how to use it are two different things.

I'm just frustrated that you think murder on any scale is okay if the victims aren't American. It's a childish sentiment.

If you can attack one country and seriously destabilize another over a terrorist cell blowing up the world trade center think of the possible repercussions to America nuking a country...again. Scale that up a bit and think about it.

America is still a baby. The neighborhood (planet) is getting sick of it lashing out at everyone over every little thing. Respect your elders or one day they'll get fed up.

 

[Jughead]

Life of a human being cannot be argued or judged. However, people are selfish and are naturally prone to see their life and the lives of their love more important than others. I'm simply playing by this rule and putting the lives of my fellow americans over the commies who seems to feel no guilt bombing us. That my friend, is no childish sentiment, it's natural knee jerk.

And stop lashing at the states, your hurting my feelings.

 

[Boris_Spider]

God I hate that country,messing into the world's buisness...

Any superpower will push it's agenda into another's business.

American's think they are free. They are enslaved to a corporate controlled fake democracy where only the people at the top are free. They fought so hard to stop slavery only to become slaves themselves.

It pains me.

[EDIT]

Actually, what pains me more is the number of good Americans who get no credit. So many people hate America for the 50% of of the people who give it a bad name. You need only watch their elections to see how polarized they are.

~The US didn't fight to free slaves. That was little more than a campaign to get more volunteers for the military.

~Governments give their constituents bad names... It becomes a fault of the people when they keep the current government (Case and Point: The bush years)

I'm just frustrated by the fact that though we have the resources and capability to deal with the issue, we're confined by regulations to do so. I still say we bomb em, offense is the best defense. Better them than us.

You can help! All you have to do is follow these simple steps:

1) Go to school. It won't teach you how to think, but it will inundate you with information. It'll give you the solutions to solved problems.
2) Question everything. Just because someone says something is, doesn't mean it is.
3) Listen/Pay Attention. Observe other people, whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant.
4) Learn what the other Point of Views are. You don't need to agree with them, but you need to understand them.
5) Make an informed decision. This requires a little something called THINKING.

Most americans:
~Think highschool sets them for life (information-wise)
~Believe everything they hear
~Ignore all PoV's besides theirs
~Are ignorant that other PoVs exist
~Make uninformed decisions because a 'sucessful person' said it was a good idea

The polarization in the US is encouraged by both major parties, who've nothing to gain by changing anything. They are the same class of people, elitists, competing with each other in a party vs. party format. Basically it's a game to them, and a game they can't lose.

They stay in power by redirecting americans' frustration towards foreign issues of note to the elitists. (I.E. Korea, Vietnam, WWI, WWII, Civil War, etc... The US has averaged one major war every 20 years) Hence the world's dislike for the US. The whole "If you don't work for us for free we'll bomb you until hell seems like a nice place to live and then some.

The Koreas are just further down the road the US is on. There is just enough bullshit to keep things running. As is evident by the world's current condition, it's no longer enough.

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Edit:

Life of a human being cannot be argued or judged. However, people are selfish and are naturally prone to see their life and the lives of their love more important than others. I'm simply playing by this rule and putting the lives of my fellow americans over the commies who seems to feel no guilt bombing us. That my friend, is no childish sentiment, it's natural knee jerk.

Kid, this is 2010... not the 1950s, or 1920s for that matter...

Modern day 'commies' aren't bombing us, they producing all of the cheap shit you buy at Walmart.

...And stop lashing at the states, your hurting my feelings.

No Comment.

 

[Jughead]

You can help! All you have to do is follow these simple steps:

1) Go to school. It won't teach you how to think, but it will inundate you with information. It'll give you the solutions to solved problems.
2) Question everything. Just because someone says something is, doesn't mean it is.
3) Listen/Pay Attention. Observe other people, whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant.
4) Learn what the other Point of Views are. You don't need to agree with them, but you need to understand them.
5) Make an informed decision. This requires a little something called THINKING.

Was this directed at me? If so, I dont understand how these steps would help me. Clarify.

Most americans:
~Think highschool sets them for life (information-wise)
~Believe everything they hear
~Ignore all PoV's besides theirs
~Are ignorant that other PoVs exist
~Make uninformed decisions because a 'sucessful person' said it was a good idea

Your stereotyping

 

[HQCosTheta]

Life of a human being cannot be argued or judged. However, people are selfish and are naturally prone to see their life and the lives of their love more important than others. I'm simply playing by this rule and putting the lives of my fellow americans over the commies who seems to feel no guilt bombing us. That my friend, is no childish sentiment, it's natural knee jerk.

And stop lashing at the states, your hurting my feelings.

Here's the thing. If you want to have an international opinion, you have to have the ability think about other people. A countries action do not just effect the world for years, it effects the world for centuries. If it was a bad decision...well, that's the end. Every country in the world is one really bad decision away from serious devastation, if everybody in the world was to follow their knee jerk instincts the world would be a nuclear wasteland devoid of life.

Part of becoming an adult is to start thinking about other people and the effect you have on them. Thinking about yourself, putting your life above all others is the one of the very definitions of childish sentiment. Sadly many people never learn to override those instincts and some cultures believe in keeping their entire population at that level because it makes them easy to control.

I don't like lashing out at the states, but as an American who cannot sit Idly by and watch his country behave this way I have no choice but to make these things heard.

[EDIT]

Boris is right. Believe it or not. You should heed his words.

Stop taking offense and listen, for god's sake, listen and think. Boris and I have slightly differing opinions but we see the big picture, we are trying to help you see it too.

Your stereotyping

Weather you like to believe it or not stereotypes exist for a reason and trying to ignore them or use the word like a shield will not help. However, hatred based on stereotypes is called a prejudice (to Pre Judge) and THAT is unacceptable. I am trying HARD to not prejudge you.

~Governments give their constituents bad names... It becomes a fault of the people when they keep the current government (Case and Point: The bush years)

Governments who were put there by people. People who listened. People who fell for the propaganda.

 

[Jughead]

Here's the thing. If you want to have an international opinion, you have to have the ability think about other people. A countries action do not just effect the world for years, it effects the world for centuries. If it was a bad decision...well, that's the end. Every country in the world is one really bad decision away from serious devastation, if everybody in the world was to follow their knee jerk instincts the world would be a nuclear wasteland devoid of life.

Part of becoming an adult is to start thinking about other people and the effect you have on them. Thinking about yourself, putting your life above all others is the one of the very definitions of childish sentiment. Sadly many people never learn to override those instincts and some cultures believe in keeping their entire population at that level because it makes them easy to control.

No your right, thinking about other people is a step away from fallout, but me personally gotta go with my heart in this one. Maybe I'm not mature or empathetic enough to see it your way but life of my countrymen and our ideals and beliefs just seem to make more sense to me.

 

[HQCosTheta]

No your right, thinking about other people is a step away from fallout, but me personally gotta go with my heart in this one. Maybe I'm not mature or empathetic enough to see it your way but life of my countrymen and our ideals and beliefs just seem to make more sense to me.

Well that is your opinion and opinions are hard to change. I respect your right to have one even if I disagree. Just try to remember history and what that thinking has done. Think about how those decisions effect your children and their children. Overpopulation and Pollution are other reasons that the "I'll do whatever I want" attitude just doesn't work. We have a finite amount of land, a finite amount of air, a finite amount of water and a finite grace period to learn to think.

 

[mrzwach]

Most americans:
~Think highschool sets them for life (information-wise)
~Believe everything they hear
~Ignore all PoV's besides theirs
~Are ignorant that other PoVs exist
~Make uninformed decisions because a 'sucessful person' said it was a good idea

Yay logic.

 

[Boris_Spider]

Was this directed at me? If so, I dont understand how these steps would help me. Clarify.



Your stereotyping

~Yes it was directed at you, but not just you. Clarification: Educate yourself, no one else will do it for you. You're coming across as a typical american that's totally convinced that the government gives a damn about you, by no fault of your own. That fault lies with the education system.

~Stereotyping is the basis of all communication. If you can't define a thing, how can you communicate anything about it? Without it there would be no communication.

Governments who were put there by people. People who listened. People who fell for the propaganda.

This is true to an extent, and why many people here don't vote. The Republicans openly represent/serve corporations and Democrats pretend to represent/serve the people. Americans are ignorant and uneducated, demostrated by the fact they think democracy is all about voting once every two years and everything will be fine.

Based on your earlier posts, I'm sure you've discovered that "the people" never created the US government. They're just used to maintain it. They didn't "fall for the propaganda" but rather were told it was in fact truth by a profit-driven media. Case and Point: Fox News. Americans don't want to be informed, they want to be entertained.

Granted we have the 'right to vote' and enjoy the most peaceful transitions of power, or so we're told. Yes we can vote, but we're limited to picking from a class of people with different motivations. The power gets transfered peacefully, but that's mostly due to the fact the same groups are in power. Technically we don't have rights. Rights can't be taken away. For those of you who feel americans do have rights, go to wikipedia. When you get there, click on the search box. Type "Japanese americans 1942" and you'll learn all about your rights...

The US could very well wind up in a situation not unlike the fate of the USSR and into positions similar to the Koreas. The conservative mentality has run this country into the ground. I'm not stating that we shouldn't have conservative mentalities in government, the super-wealthy should be represented, but they aren't the majority. An all-liberal mentality is not the answer either.

North Korea will simply be the next thing to drag the publics attention to and away from the fact that one person can't live on minimum wage. We will be told we must "stem the tide of communism" to "protect our interests" when 'our' excludes about 95% of the population. We will be told that the defense budget must be further inflated to ensure we don't get overrun, even though modern wars are won financially, not with militaries. We will be told taxing the rich will hurt the economic recovery, turning us into what North Korea is currently (in regards to the population) even though the tax cuts for the rich in 2000 could have paid for the first few years of the illeagal invasion/occupation of two nations.

... and sadly most americans will believe it. America is already defeated.

//\\oo//\\

 

[HQCosTheta]

This is true to an extent, and why many people here don't vote. The Republicans openly represent/serve corporations and Democrats pretend to represent/serve the people. Americans are ignorant and uneducated, demostrated by the fact they think democracy is all about voting once every two years and everything will be fine.

Based on your earlier posts, I'm sure you've discovered that "the people" never created the US government. They're just used to maintain it. They didn't "fall for the propaganda" but rather were told it was in fact truth by a profit-driven media. Case and Point: Fox News. Americans don't want to be informed, they want to be entertained.

Granted we have the 'right to vote' and enjoy the most peaceful transitions of power, or so we're told. Yes we can vote, but we're limited to picking from a class of people with different motivations. The power gets transfered peacefully, but that's mostly due to the fact the same groups are in power. Technically we don't have rights. Rights can't be taken away. For those of you who feel americans do have rights, go to wikipedia. When you get there, click on the search box. Type "Japanese americans 1942" and you'll learn all about your rights...

The US could very well wind up in a situation not unlike the fate of the USSR and into positions similar to the Koreas. The conservative mentality has run this country into the ground. I'm not stating that we shouldn't have conservative mentalities in government, the super-wealthy should be represented, but they aren't the majority. An all-liberal mentality is not the answer either.

North Korea will simply be the next thing to drag the publics attention to and away from the fact that one person can't live on minimum wage. We will be told we must "stem the tide of communism" to "protect our interests" when 'our' excludes about 95% of the population. We will be told that the defense budget must be further inflated to ensure we don't get overrun, even though modern wars are won financially, not with militaries. We will be told taxing the rich will hurt the economic recovery, turning us into what North Korea is currently (in regards to the population) even though the tax cuts for the rich in 2000 could have paid for the first few years of the illeagal invasion/occupation of two nations.

... and sadly most americans will believe it. America is already defeated.

Wwwwwow!

See, now I have to go find people to plus rep again just so I can plus rep this post too.

I'm adding you to my friends list.

 

[Jughead]

~Yes it was directed at you, but not just you. Clarification: Educate yourself, no one else will do it for you. You're coming across as a typical american that's totally convinced that the government gives a damn about you, by no fault of your own. That fault lies with the education system.

~Stereotyping is the basis of all communication. If you can't define a thing, how can you communicate anything about it? Without it there would be no communication.



This is true to an extent, and why many people here don't vote. The Republicans openly represent/serve corporations and Democrats pretend to represent/serve the people. Americans are ignorant and uneducated, demostrated by the fact they think democracy is all about voting once every two years and everything will be fine.

Based on your earlier posts, I'm sure you've discovered that "the people" never created the US government. They're just used to maintain it. They didn't "fall for the propaganda" but rather were told it was in fact truth by a profit-driven media. Case and Point: Fox News. Americans don't want to be informed, they want to be entertained.

Granted we have the 'right to vote' and enjoy the most peaceful transitions of power, or so we're told. Yes we can vote, but we're limited to picking from a class of people with different motivations. The power gets transfered peacefully, but that's mostly due to the fact the same groups are in power. Technically we don't have rights. Rights can't be taken away. For those of you who feel americans do have rights, go to wikipedia. When you get there, click on the search box. Type "Japanese americans 1942" and you'll learn all about your rights...

The US could very well wind up in a situation not unlike the fate of the USSR and into positions similar to the Koreas. The conservative mentality has run this country into the ground. I'm not stating that we shouldn't have conservative mentalities in government, the super-wealthy should be represented, but they aren't the majority. An all-liberal mentality is not the answer either.

North Korea will simply be the next thing to drag the publics attention to and away from the fact that one person can't live on minimum wage. We will be told we must "stem the tide of communism" to "protect our interests" when 'our' excludes about 95% of the population. We will be told that the defense budget must be further inflated to ensure we don't get overrun, even though modern wars are won financially, not with militaries. We will be told taxing the rich will hurt the economic recovery, turning us into what North Korea is currently (in regards to the population) even though the tax cuts for the rich in 2000 could have paid for the first few years of the illeagal invasion/occupation of two nations.

... and sadly most americans will believe it. America is already defeated.

//\\oo//\\

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[Fussiler1]

~Stereotyping is the basis of all communication. If you can't define a thing, how can you communicate anything about it? Without it there would be no communication.

–verb (used with object)
5.
to make a stereotype of.
6.
to characterize or regard as a stereotype: The actor has been stereotyped as a villain.
7.
to give a fixed form to.

I can't speak to my French family without thinking they love wine.

?

Weather you like to believe it or not stereotypes exist for a reason and trying to ignore them or use the word like a shield will not help. However, hatred based on stereotypes is called a prejudice (to Pre Judge) and THAT is unacceptable. I am trying HARD to not prejudge you.

What? Does that mean all Germans eat bratwurst and drink beer all the time? Or are the Russians very evil people?

Oh, and Romanians are mostly gypsies?

This is true to an extent, and why many people here don't vote. The Republicans openly represent/serve corporations and Democrats pretend to represent/serve the people. Americans are ignorant and uneducated, demostrated by the fact they think democracy is all about voting once every two years and everything will be fine.

Ehm.. of what did you base your opinion that they think democract is all about voting every two years?

The US could very well wind up in a situation not unlike the fate of the USSR and into positions similar to the Koreas. The conservative mentality has run this country into the ground. I'm not stating that we shouldn't have conservative mentalities in government, the super-wealthy should be represented, but they aren't the majority. An all-liberal mentality is not the answer either.

.. wat

America splits apart due to new policies that allow greater freedom? Unlike the USSR, America isn't composed out of many ethnicities. Also, Korea? What? In a stalemate with an enemy that constantly threatens you?

North Korea will simply be the next thing to drag the publics attention to and away from the fact that one person can't live on minimum wage. We will be told we must "stem the tide of communism" to "protect our interests" when 'our' excludes about 95% of the population.

.. Uhm, nobody likes North Korea. Everyone, including China, would like an unified Korea better under the south, so no, it aren't only 'your' interests. Besides that, we don't live in the Cold War anymore.

Should we get back on Korea?

 

[HQCosTheta]

–verb (used with object)
5.
to make a stereotype of.
6.
to characterize or regard as a stereotype: The actor has been stereotyped as a villain.
7.
to give a fixed form to.

I can't speak to my French family without thinking they're arrogant wine-drinking losers.

Logic.

Stereotype - noun person or thing seeming to confirm a widely accepted type; such type, idea, or attitude. verb (-ping).

An example of a stereotype would be if you are walking through a forest and all of the trees in that forest have leaves and then you thought to yourself "Trees have leaves" You have just made an observation. Now every time you see a tree with leaves it confirms that original observation which now becomes a stereotype. Without these stereotypes language would have no meaning and without your brain's ability to stereotype you would have no object recognition abilities. It is a very important part in the study of neural science.

What? Does that mean all Germans eat bratwurst and drink beer all the time? Or are the Russians very evil people?

Oh, and Romanians are mostly gypsies.

Those statements (what you are describing) are not stereotypes they are prejudices.

Prejudice - noun preconceived opinion; (+ against, in favor of) bias; harm (possibly) resulting from action or judgement. verb impair validity of. adjective cause (person) to have prejudice.

You know, nevermind, I have no words for this.

I am not surprised.

America splits apart due to new policies that allow greater freedom? Unlike the USSR, America isn't composed out of many ethnicities. Also, Korea? What? In a stalemate with an enemy that constantly threatens you?

There is not an ethnicity on the planet that is not present in the USA. It is composed of more ethnicities with an even larger number of differing ideals and beliefs.

Uhm, nobody likes North Korea. Everyone, including China, would like an unified Korea better under the south, so no, it aren't only 'your' interests. Besides that, we don't live in the Cold War anymore.

Actually I have heard the media call this situation a "mini cold war" on two occasions this week.

 

[Deolrin]

Guys, guys. You do realize this thread is about the Korean war, right? Not about how the USA sticks their nose everywhere or how China wants to control North Korea or whatever.

 

[The Quacker]

Some of you guys are right about American people. ( I live in USA )
I know allot of retards who do as told by are government and always thinks its for the best for them.
Yet are USA rights are slowly being taken away...
Myself I can't wait to move out of USA, not that I don't like it just that I am scared that my government will take i over 100%.
Also weed is illegal still...

 

[Fussiler1]

Stereotype - noun person or thing seeming to confirm a widely accepted type; such type, idea, or attitude. verb (-ping).

An example of a stereotype would be if you are walking through a forest and all of the trees in that forest have leaves and then you thought to yourself "Trees have leaves" You have just made an observation. Now every time you see a tree with leaves it confirms that original observation which now becomes a stereotype. Without these stereotypes language would have no meaning and without your brain's ability to stereotype you would have no object recognition abilities. It is a very important part in the study of neural science.

Are we sure talking about the same stereotypes here? I'm talking about stereotypes about people, like this one, for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype#Jewish_stereotypes

Those statements (what you are describing) are not stereotypes they are prejudices.

Prejudice - noun preconceived opinion; (+ against, in favor of) bias; harm (possibly) resulting from action or judgement. verb impair validity of. adjective cause (person) to have prejudice.

I don't know .. There are people that disagree; for example,

http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/stereotypes.htm

http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/

There is not an ethnicity on the planet that is not present in the USA. It is composed of more ethnicities with an even larger number of differing ideals and beliefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_Russia

Or --

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rs.html

Click People, scroll to Ethnic Groups.

So, excluding the 'Other' ethnicities listed you get around 5-5, but then you have to include the former territories of the USSR.

Besides that, it's arguable that every ethnicity has a member in the USA.

Actually I have heard the media call this situation a "mini cold war" on two occasions this week.

Source?

But on topic: I doubt there's going to be a war.

 

[Ryaku]

I think there will come war... two strong lands fighting for domination

 

[HQCosTheta]

Guys, guys. You do realize this thread is about the Korean war, right? Not about how the USA sticks their nose everywhere or how China wants to control North Korea or whatever.

Correct, you're right. It has degraded into an argument over semantics. I'll attempt to stay on topic. For you <3.

With the short exception of...

Some of you guys are right about American people. ( I live in USA )
I know allot of retards who do as told by are government and always thinks its for the best for them.
Yet are USA rights are slowly being taken away...
Myself I can't wait to move out of USA, not that I don't like it just that I am scared that my government will take i over 100%.
Also weed is illegal still...

If it's weed you want it's weed we got bro. I do not, myself, indulge but as long as when your busted for possession you only have enough for personal use they pretty much just let you go and confiscate your stash. Our government is a tad bit more concerned with actual dangerous drugs at the moment.

I think there will come war... two strong lands fighting for domination

All evidence points to that conclusion and to be honest, considering the parties involved, I have little faith it will come to peaceful resolution.

Source?

Sure, here you go.

"The recent tensions between North and South Koreas are part of the US strategy to wage a cold war against China, an anti-war activist says" from: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/153688.html

"Observers say the “New Cold War” framework in Northeast Asia that began to show itself with the arrival of the Lee Myung-bak administration and its prioritization of the South Korea-U.S. alliance, and deepened in the wake of the Cheonan’s sinking, was reaffirmed following North Korea’s artillery attack on Yeonpyeong Island." from: http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_northkorea/451372.html

"It's easy to dismiss such provocative Cold-War-style rhetoric, but the frightening reality is that while nuclear weapons are a part of the bargain" from: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...-brink-in-a-nuclear-world-20101201-18gdh.html

I'm not entirely willing to call this the "New Cold War" yet but the idea of another extraordinarily long and economically draining cold war just makes me worry for you guys down there. You're already suffering this economic slump more than anybody else...my family in the US have all but lost a three generation contracting company and my mother was saying that people in Washington state are executing their pets because they cannot afford to feed them. The USA is not the global powerhouse it used to be primarily due to the polarization of the population and global opinion of the previous administrations mishandling of the War in Iraq and the War on Terror but also the recession.

It's worth mentioning that entering a cold war under these conditions could have dire consequences.

 

[takakenji]

world war 3

 

[Fussiler1]

Sure, here you go.

"The recent tensions between North and South Koreas are part of the US strategy to wage a cold war against China, an anti-war activist says" from: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/153688.html

"Observers say the “New Cold War” framework in Northeast Asia that began to show itself with the arrival of the Lee Myung-bak administration and its prioritization of the South Korea-U.S. alliance, and deepened in the wake of the Cheonan’s sinking, was reaffirmed following North Korea’s artillery attack on Yeonpyeong Island." from: http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_northkorea/451372.html

"It's easy to dismiss such provocative Cold-War-style rhetoric, but the frightening reality is that while nuclear weapons are a part of the bargain" from: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...-brink-in-a-nuclear-world-20101201-18gdh.html

I'm not entirely willing to call this the "New Cold War" yet but the idea of another extraordinarily long and economically draining cold war just makes me worry for you guys down there. You're already suffering this economic slump more than anybody else...my family in the US have all but lost a three generation contracting company and my mother was saying that people in Washington state are executing their pets because they cannot afford to feed them. The USA is not the global powerhouse it used to be primarily due to the polarization of the population and global opinion of the previous administrations mishandling of the War in Iraq and the War on Terror but also the recession.

It's worth mentioning that entering a cold war under these conditions could have dire consequences.

Thanks mate. Though, personally I disagree with labelling it a 'New Cold War'. As far as my understanding of economics go, China and America are mostly dependant on each other. The world isn't as black and white as it used to be, in my opinion. I'm pretty sure that China and the USA won't risk war, but eh, we'll see.

 

[HQCosTheta]

Thanks mate. Though, personally I disagree with labelling it a 'New Cold War'. As far as my understanding of economics go, China and America are mostly dependant on each other. The world isn't as black and white as it used to be, in my opinion. I'm pretty sure that China and the USA won't risk war, but eh, we'll see.

Indeed. It's not a cold war until war is declared, IMO. The media's spin is reckless and could cause undue panic. But state it they have. I worry that sometimes The Cold War is Romanticized by the media too much. People aren't generally afraid of a cold war (no death no problem). Lots of good political espionage movies take place during the cold war and as a result it looks, to some people, to be exciting. It's not. The rampant paranoia and fear that results from a long term stand off like that is huge to say nothing of the damage to international relations.

Still, it's good for the media.

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What do we call it? "The New Cold War", "Cold War II", "The Second Great Standoff"....let's just cal it "DotA: Cold War"

 

[Boris_Spider]

–verb (used with object)
5.
to make a stereotype of.
6.
to characterize or regard as a stereotype: The actor has been stereotyped as a villain.
7.
to give a fixed form to.

I can't speak to my French family without thinking they love wine.

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Your approach is standard, but simple and of no relation to the point I was getting at. Sterotyping is categorizing and people categorize everything around them. Birds, cars, animals, plants, people, dirt, life, death, and anything you can think of is by definition a stereotype. Connotatively, the word 'stereotype' is used in a more negative sense as demonstrated by prejudices. When you identify a thing, you compare it against other things you are aware of. It'll either be stuck with other things like it (i.e. Hawk = a type of bird) or given an entirely new category of its own.

Ehm.. of what did you base your opinion that they think democract is all about voting every two years?

By watching peoples' actions and listening to their complaints. Everything here is focused on the next election. A Democracy is a process, not a product.

The analagy I find most effective at explaining is this:
Imagine you're in a canoe on a river. To stay on the river you have to steer the boat, else the river will eventually strand you on the shore. To steer the boat you have to paddle. The government (canoe) is simply a tool, the people (person steering the canoe) have to constantly 'correct course' as the environment changes (river twists/bends). They do this by use of democracy (the oar/paddle).

In the US, people reached a nice, easy, wide, straight/calm section of 'the river' and relaxed somewhat, riding on their momentum. Eventually, the river changes course again and to an extent they could maintain course with very little effort. The river got harder, tighter, and rougher. The people are desperately trying to maintain their previous momentum without doing anything, thus the river (life) and boat (government) begin steering instead of the person (people).

Now, you can argue that the american people have never 'steered' the government and so would I.

There are no 'citeable sources' on the internet for my stance, all I have to go off of are my experiences living here, conversations with others who live here, and the actions taken by people here.

.. wat

America splits apart due to new policies that allow greater freedom? Unlike the USSR, America isn't composed out of many ethnicities. Also, Korea? What? In a stalemate with an enemy that constantly threatens you?

The ethnicities has already been covered. The US has been in Korea's position once (Civil War - North's business interests vs. the South's business interests) and will likely return to it again. It probably won't be as clearly cut as a North vs. South next time around though, it'll be more complex.

.. Uhm, nobody likes North Korea. Everyone, including China, would like an unified Korea better under the south, so no, it aren't only 'your' interests. Besides that, we don't live in the Cold War anymore.

Should we get back on Korea?

I'm aware nobody likes N. Korea and that other nations would like to see a united Korea. It wasn't my intention to state otherwise. The Cold War is over, but the 'commies' and 'socialists' labels are still widely used to influence americans (controlling the 'Land of the Brave' is easy - just scare them).

We haven't gone too far off topic. If Korea begins fighting again, the rest of the world is going to be affected directly or indirectly. The larger nations are influenced by Korea and want to significantly influence Korea. They will use the Korean War to further their own agendas.

We are discussing the Korean War's past and present consequences for other countries/people.

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