Increase lumber gather speed?

[Rugarus]

Probably an easy change, but can't seem to find out how. I'm currently using an upgrade that increases lumber capacity for workers. And they use an ability that lets them harvest trees for lumber. But can't seem to figure out how to increase their gather speed (and if possible from an upgrade)

 

[Chaosium]

Would increasing their attackspeed work? Never actually tried that.

 

[Rugarus]

Would increasing their attackspeed work? Never actually tried that.

The worker doesn't have attack speed though. He's using an ability to harvest lumber.

 

[UreDe4D]

which ability are you using? wisp?

 

[Rugarus]

I believe it's called harvest lumber and gold ability. Sorry not at home atm.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Increase "Data - Damage to Tree" in the ability data.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Check it does not couple to attack speed.

One could use a resource event system to detect the lumber income. After the upgrade is complete one could give some bonus lumber for each income of lumber from the worker. One can filter for amounts equal to the lumber carried to base to rule out bundles of wood another other sources of lumber.

 

[Rugarus]

Thanks guys, I'm gonna do what Master said I also had the same idea while I was driving, that's probably the easiest way.

 

[Tasyen]

Seems like harvest hit rate is somehow:
combat - attack 1: damage point + backswing (ignoring attackspeed) (ghul ignored changes to attack 2, which can hit trees wierd)
cooldown between each hit is equal to the value field "duration normal" inside the obtained harvest-ability.

Harvest supports multiple levels therefore you could increase the level of the harvest-ability your works have after researching that research.

 

[Sieben]

Peasants have 2 attacks, the second one only targets trees. I never tried it, but I guess you can increase the damage done to trees and/or attack speed of attack 2.

Edit: Oops, Tasyen got there first

cooldown between each hit is equal to the value field "duration normal" inside the obtained harvest-ability.

You sure? In my WE, normal duration default value for the lumber harvest ability is set to 0.

Edit 2: Nevermind, I was looking at the wrong ability!

 

[Rugarus]

So I was gonna increase the ability level so lvl 2 does more damage to the tree. But there is only one field that is techtree requirements. I don't know how to add an upgrade to that list for the 2nd level of dmg to the tree.

 

[Rogue Kessler]

So I was gonna increase the ability level so lvl 2 does more damage to the tree. But there is only one field that is techtree requirements. I don't know how to add an upgrade to that list for the 2nd level of dmg to the tree.

I don't know if there's a better way, but you can always do it with triggers.

• Events
  • Unit finishes research
• Conditions
  • Tech-type of researched tech equal to Wood Upgrade
  • Current level of Wood Upgrade for (Owner of researching unit) = X
• Actions
  • Pick all units owned by (Owner of researching unit) of type Peon and do Actions:
    • Set level of (Wood ability) for Picked unit to Y

Won't look like this exactly but you get the idea

 

[Rugarus]

I'd have to have the trigger run everytime a worker is made then? Because the workers in my game are killed and respawbed often.

 

[Rogue Kessler]

Yeah probably

 

[Rugarus]

Current level of Wood Upgrade for (Owner of researching unit) = X what comparison do I use to get this current level of upgrade?

 

[Rogue Kessler]

Sorry, I should have been more clear - in my example trigger, X and Y are whatever numbers you want depending on how you have the upgrade and the ability set up.

So like, if you want researching level 1 of the tech to unlock level 2 of the ability, use 1 for X and 2 for Y.

 

[BloodSoul]

There's also Chaos ability, which would make things easier for you. No need to worry about triggers at all:

- Create a new worker based on the existing one;
- Create a better Harvest ability, and give it to the new worker;
- Now make an ability based on Chaos, and change its Unit Type field to the new worker;
- Change its "Techtree - Requirement" to your "Wood Upgrade".
- Give Chaos ability to the old worker.


As soon as a player researches "Wood Upgrade", chaos will be able to turn your old workers into the new ones. Well, I can't say this is the best choice, but I don't think anything bad could happen with common units such as workers; It's up to you.

 

[Rogue Kessler]

Yeah Chaos is also a good solution.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Chaos is never a good solution. It reapplies property modifications.

 

[Rugarus]

So I have this

• Hatchets finished
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Finishes an upgrade
  • Conditions
    • (Researched tech-type) Equal to Sharpened Hatchets
  • Actions
    • Set HatchetsResearch[(Player number of (Owner of (Triggering unit)))] = True

and

• Worker spawn
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit enters (Entire map)
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • HatchetsResearch[(Player number of (Owner of (Triggering unit)))] Equal to True
        • (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Worker
      • Then - Actions
        • Unit - Increase level of Worker Harvest (Gold and Lumber) for (Triggering unit)
      • Else - Actions

This is the ability I'm changing.
Gyazo - 53bb1540186bef4ebf22b8beecd5ce01.png
before you ask I created the worker after the final research is researched.
But even after the final upgrade worker harvests the same amount of wood at the same rate.

Edit: realized it was a research not an upgrade. So that's working, but the workers still do the same damage to the tree even though the damage is set to 2 dmg per hit for the abilities second lvl.

 

[BloodSoul]

I bet that's because you are creating a bunch of workers, ordering them to gather resources, and then researching that upgrade. Currently, your trigger takes into account only future workers, the existent ones will still have their ability as level 1. In order to fix that problem, you need an Unit Group function which enumerates through all existing workers and improve their ability.

 

[Rugarus]

I bet that's because you are creating a bunch of workers, ordering them to gather resources, and then researching that upgrade. That trigger counts only for future workers, the existent ones will still have their ability as level 1. In order to fix that problem, you need an Unit Group function which enumerates through all existing workers and improve their ability.

"before you ask I created the worker after the final research is researched."

 

[BloodSoul]

Then, the ability can't be leveled up properly. Why not create a custom one and replace the old one?

Unit - Add New Ability
Unit - Remove Old Ability

 

[Rugarus]

Then, the ability can't be leveled up properly. Why not create a custom one and replace the old one?

Unit - Add New Ability
Unit - Remove Old Ability

I can do that, just figured the other way would work thanks.

 

[BloodSoul]

I can do that, just figured the other way would work thanks.

oh, all right then. No problem.

 

[Rogue Kessler]

Spoiler

So I have this

• Hatchets finished
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Finishes an upgrade
  • Conditions
    • (Researched tech-type) Equal to Sharpened Hatchets
  • Actions
    • Set HatchetsResearch[(Player number of (Owner of (Triggering unit)))] = True

and

• Worker spawn
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit enters (Entire map)
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • HatchetsResearch[(Player number of (Owner of (Triggering unit)))] Equal to True
        • (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Worker
      • Then - Actions
        • Unit - Increase level of Worker Harvest (Gold and Lumber) for (Triggering unit)
      • Else - Actions

This is the ability I'm changing.
Gyazo - 53bb1540186bef4ebf22b8beecd5ce01.png
before you ask I created the worker after the final research is researched.
But even after the final upgrade worker harvests the same amount of wood at the same rate.

Edit: realized it was a research not an upgrade. So that's working, but the workers still do the same damage to the tree even though the damage is set to 2 dmg per hit for the abilities second lvl.

Are these the only two triggers?

Looks like this is only affecting workers trained after the research, not any that were around before. You probably want a "pick all and do actions" somewhere for when the research is done.

Separately, I've heard horror stories about "A unit enters (Entire map)" especially if it will trigger more than once. There's probably a better way to do that - "A unit finishes training a unit" maybe?

Edit: Nevermind, I missed the whole second page of the thread. Ignore me

 

[ZiBitheWand3r3r]

First: you cannot use multilevel ability based on harvest 'Ahar'. You have to create 2nd ability with increased "damage to the tree" as faster harvesting ability.
My suggestion is: grab GUI Unit Event v2.4.0.0
Then use 2 triggers, second one is Initialy OFF. Don't use 'Unit enters map area' event. Use Bribe event instead.

• work
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Finishes research
  • Conditions
    • (Researched tech-type) Equal to Improved Lumber Harvesting
  • Actions
    • Trigger - Turn on workerEnters <gen>
    • Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units owned by (Triggering player)) and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • (Unit-type of (Picked unit)) Equal to Peasant
          • Then - Actions
            • Unit - Remove Harvest (Gold and Lumber) from (Picked unit)
            • Unit - Add Harvest 2 (Gold and Lumber) to (Picked unit)
            • Animation - Remove the lumber animation tag to (Picked unit)
          • Else - Actions

• workerEnters
  • Events
    • Game - UnitIndexEvent becomes Equal to 1.00
  • Conditions
    • (Unit-type of UDexUnits[UDex]) Equal to Peasant
  • Actions
    • Unit - Remove Harvest (Gold and Lumber) from UDexUnits[UDex]
    • Unit - Add Harvest 2 (Gold and Lumber) to UDexUnits[UDex]