Illuminati Control

A Void · Sep 9, 2014

MiniMage said:
If Illuminati was a thing, only a select few people would be allowed. Millionaires and whatnot.
I'm pretty sure that a regular person wouldn't have a chance.

Well, it is also passed down by Blood Lines, for example: George Bush.

Footman16 · Sep 9, 2014

A Void said:
Well, it is also passed down by Blood Lines, for example: George Bush.

Ugh.

Do people fail to do research or homework? The Illuminati were wiped out by a Bavarian Prince back in the 1800s (?) I think because they were Republicans which obviously went against the mainly monarchy driven countries of the time.

Your example is not an example because you haven't said how he or his illuminati.

Vinz · Sep 9, 2014

But that is the Bavarian Illuminati, not the ones today.

Heinvers · Sep 9, 2014

You don't get it. The Illuminati started IN BAVARIA founded on may the 6th 1776.

Most of them are pretty much extinct today.

Footman16 · Sep 9, 2014

Mythic said:
But that is the Bavarian Illuminati, not the ones today.

There was no such thing as 'the Bavarian Illuminati'. A Bavarian prince had all of the illuminati executed, they weren't just Bavarian: there are no Illuminati today.

I will grant you there are exclusive 'clubs' these days that might pass for a secret organization but nothing of mythical Illuminati status.

A Void · Sep 9, 2014

Mythic said:
But that is the Bavarian Illuminati, not the ones today.

Illuminati was started in Bavaria. It was the first, however it seems likely they survived to this age. But there is no official evidence. Only conspiracy.

Wolffman · Sep 9, 2014

I did Nazi that coming..

Footman16 · Sep 9, 2014

A Void said:
But there is no official evidence. Only conspiracy.

Ozcam's Razor.

HappyTauren · Sep 9, 2014

Guys, how about you check this out.

Zombie · Sep 9, 2014

Footman16 said:
Ehhhhh, how about no?

Uh, yes? Most of the capital today in western markets (as well as Russian) is focused in the hands of jews and freemasons, as it was in the Weimar Republic.

Footman16 · Sep 9, 2014

Zombie said:
Uh, yes? Most of the capital today in western markets (as well as Russian) is focused in the hands of jews and freemasons, as it was in the Weimar Republic.

You said 'existing dominant social layer', so yes, still a eh no.

Zombie · Sep 9, 2014

Are you saying Hitler did not fight against the jews and freemasons? Saying such a thing gets you prison in most countries.

Footman16 · Sep 9, 2014

Zombie said:
Are you saying Hitler did not fight against the jews and freemasons? Saying such a thing gets you prison in most countries.

I'm saying that Jews and Freemasons do not represent the 'existing dominant social layer'.

Heinvers · Sep 9, 2014

Jews

I think he meant dominant economical social layer.

HappyTauren · Sep 9, 2014

Zombie said:
Are you saying Hitler did not fight against the jews and freemasons? Saying such a thing gets you prison in most countries.

Oh, will you knock it off with your neo-nazism? Hitler was just another totalitarian douchebag who had deliberately utilized lies where he saw fit, abused everything he could to achieve his crazy goals, just like the majority of rulers before him.

Footman16 · Sep 9, 2014

Heinvers said:
I think he meant dominant economical social layer.

I don't think zombie knows what he means, so I'd appreciate an explanation of what 'existing dominant social layer' is by his definition.

Zombie · Sep 9, 2014

Footman16 said:
I'm saying that Jews and Freemasons do not represent the 'existing dominant social layer'.

Heinvers said:
I think he meant dominant economical social layer.

I meant dominant as in the one with the most power over making decisions. Obviously, the people with the most capital are the ones with the most power.

HappyTauren said:
Oh, will you knock it off with your neo-nazism? Hitler was just another totalitarian douchebag who had deliberately utilized lies where he saw fit, abused everything he could to achieve his crazy goals, just like the majority of rulers before him.

Oh, I didn't even suggest otherwise. I simply said that Hitler fought the jews, who are the dominant social layer today. Fact.

As long as I don't say it was a right thing to do, I can be hardly called a neo-nazi.

Karassu · Sep 9, 2014

Is it okay to make jokes about Illuminati this days? Will you get killed if you make jokes about 'em? And how powerful are they really? I mean what can they do? Can you give me an idea?

Footman16 · Sep 9, 2014

karassu said:
Is it okay to make jokes about Illuminati this days? Will you get killed if you make jokes about 'em? And how powerful are they really? I mean what can the do? Can you give me an idea?

Yes, no, powerless, nothing, this.

I meant dominant as in the one with the most power over making decisions. Obviously, the people with the most capital are the ones with the most power.

Yeah, 'existing dominant social layer' is not the term anyone would use me thinks. Also, you'd need to find the percentage of Jews in leadership roles in every government of the world (preferably by 'relative power') with maybe a few other factors taken into consideration. The result I think would be that you are completely wrong and that the most powerful people of the age were not all "Jews and Freemasons".

Zombie · Sep 9, 2014

I'm not talking about governments, most of them are just there for the show anyway. I'm talking about financial wealth and influence. If you want statistics, here you go: http://www.rense.com/general59/sdom.htm

Nuclear · Sep 9, 2014

Yeah, definitely going to trust that site..

FFS look at their front page
http://rense.com/

Got an actual source?

HappyTauren · Sep 9, 2014

Nuclear said:
Yeah, definitely going to trust that site..

FFS look at their front page
http://rense.com/

Got an actual source?

Instead of reading the article he linked, you can just look at this image:

Nuclear · Sep 9, 2014

I just got a bit of a headache while browsing this thread... coincidence? NO, THE JEWS DID IT!!!

PSYCHIC WARFARE!!!1!!one!!!

Zombie · Sep 9, 2014

The same article can be found on numerous other sites, I don't think which one I linked specifically is relevant.

It's fun to see that when you can't attack the article, you attack its host.

HappyTauren · Sep 9, 2014

Zombie said:
The same article can be found on numerous other sites, I don't think which one I linked specifically is relevant.

It's fun to see that when you can't attack the article, you attack its host.

Fair enough, but if you want someone to dedicate their time to reading something, you should at least give a good reason to even start reading it, like a reputable source.

Zombie · Sep 9, 2014

Go ahead and read this then, then understand why finding a "reputable source" is sorta difficult: http://davidduke.com/who-runs-the-media/

HappyTauren · Sep 9, 2014

Zombie said:
Go ahead and read this then, then understand why finding a "reputable source" is sorta difficult: http://davidduke.com/who-runs-the-media/

So, you didn't find a reputable source for that article, but you redirected us to DAVID DUKE?! That's like me claiming vaccines claim autism, not being able to find reputable scientific evidence, and then redirecting you to Mercola.

Zombie · Sep 9, 2014

Maybe. Since asking people on the internet to read 20+ pages of information is a stupid thing to do by itself ( "don't judge a book by its cover" definitely doesn't work here + I really don't want to get into debating such a subjective thing), I'll just state this:

Hitler fought the dominant social layer back in the time of the second world war.

You don't need to make an association to jews, freemasons or the illuminati, but it is a fact that since he fought against the western world (and failed at it), he fought against the world powers still dominant. The same economical and political establishments rule the western world as they did back then.

HappyTauren · Sep 9, 2014

Zombie said:
Maybe. Since asking people on the internet to read 20+ pages of information is a stupid thing to do by itself ( "don't judge a book by its cover" definitely doesn't work here + I really don't want to get into debating such a subjective thing), I'll just state this:

I've actually researched this "Jews rule the world!" pretty thoroughly, only to find that neither is the majority of those rulers Jewish, nor are they controlling the world in the way it is alleged.

Hitler fought the dominant social layer back in the time of the second world war.

Correct, but by spreading his agenda, to spread more of his agenda. Destroying the old system that you understand negative characteristics of only to install one that may even be worse, or leading to deaths of millions of people, or building your ideology around genocide, is not much of something he should be honored for, either way.

You don't need to make an association to jews, freemasons or the illuminati, but it is a fact that since he fought against the western world (and failed at it), he fought against the world powers still dominant. The same economical and political establishments rule the western world as they did back then.

Yes, and it has actually got worse, because of various merges, companies buying each other, bankruptcy of certain companies that has lead to others' monopoly give them more power, etc. I understand all of this. Hitler's plan in this regard has backfired, because he's surrounded himself with the best scientists available at the time, which were picked by Soviets and USA later, not to mention that USA has promoted itself as a peace and justice corporation, which has essentially lead to modern American bigotry, wild popularity and economic growth.

But whenever you try to knock Jews, Freemasons (or Illuminati and reptilians, if you were crazy enough) for all of this, no rational and reasonable person is going to listen to you, because those are crazy conspiracy theories, often made and promoted by people of rather questionable morality and logic skills.

Just because there ARE problems with class division, it doesn't necessarily mean it has anything to do with people of Semitic origin, and that claim is actually totally non-sequitur to anything. If those people were black, we wouldn't instantly be knocking black people for it, but them. What your "it's all about Jews" writing would imply there's a special characteristic and a "zionist" ideology behind all of this, which is actually kind of ridiculous, all things taken into consideration.

Vinz · Sep 9, 2014

Hitler fought the dominant social layer back in the time of the second world war.

They should have both disappeared.

Zombie · Sep 9, 2014

HappyTauren said:
I've actually researched this "Jews rule the world!" pretty thoroughly, only to find that neither is the majority of those rulers Jewish, nor are they controlling the world in the way it is alleged.

So did I. I came to a different conclusion. Decided not to care either way, since there's nothing us, mortals can do about it.

Correct, but by spreading his agenda, to spread more of his agenda. Destroying the old system that you understand negative characteristics of only to install one that may even be worse, or leading to deaths of millions of people, or building your ideology around genocide, is not much of something he should be honored for, either way.

I didn't say he should be honored for anything. As I said over and over again, I simply said he fought the same ruling social layer that rules the world today.

Yes, and it has actually got worse, because of various merges, companies buying each other, bankruptcy of certain companies that has lead to others' monopoly give them more power, etc. I understand all of this. Hitler's plan in this regard has backfired, because he's surrounded himself with the best scientists available at the time, which were picked by Soviets and USA later, not to mention that USA has promoted itself as a peace and justice corporation, which has essentially lead to modern American bigotry, wild popularity and economic growth.

But whenever you try to knock Jews, Freemasons (or Illuminati and reptilians, if you were crazy enough) for all of this, no rational and reasonable person is going to listen to you, because those are crazy conspiracy theories, often made and promoted by people of rather questionable morality and logic skills.

Just because there ARE problems with class division, it doesn't necessarily mean it has anything to do with people of Semitic origin, and that claim is actually totally non-sequitur to anything. If those people were black, we wouldn't instantly be knocking black people for it, but them. What your "it's all about Jews" writing would imply there's a special characteristic and a "zionist" ideology behind all of this, which is actually kind of ridiculous, all things taken into consideration.

I didn't say there was a problem with anything.
I didn't knock anyone.
I didn't say the problems of the world are of semitic origin.

I don't care.

I don't like you associating me with the people who do. I'm not your average internet nazi who says Adolf Hitler was right in everything he did and he should be glorified for his deeds. I didn't say anything even remotely related to that, so you don't need to argue as if I did.

I simply said Hitler fought the ruling social layer that still rules the world today. Fact.

Even if you believe the American people rightfully elect their leaders who democratically lead the USA and the Western World to prosperity, that statement holds true.

MiniMage · Sep 9, 2014

Zombie said:
Even if you believe the American people rightfully elect their leaders who democratically lead the USA and the Western World to prosperity, that statement holds true.

Actually, the United states is not a democracy, it's an oligarchy. The campaign that puts the president in office, also puts him in debt, then financial interests will affect how he acts. As for politics in general, a large majority of the political ruling class are related. Economically speaking, since the Federal Reserve was bought in 1911 the US has since then experienced poor planning and pointless wars among other things, which has placed the country with trillion dollar debts. As it is, their economy is circling the drain, only last year, the worth of the dollar was halved, for example.

But, we're all drifting from the subject. We were not going to discuss the politics of glorified countries, discuss Hitler nor the possibility of a new world order ruled by Jews, when reputable sources say otherwise and attempting to reinforce using clearly not credible sources adds quite little to the argument. But again, this was not the topic of this discussion.

The topic of this little discussion was the Illuminati, greedy little world controlling businessmen who laugh maniacally to dramatic lighting and attempt to control the world. The biggest issue with this topic was that people tried to discuss this topic with a serious tone.

While the rich use their influence to affect decision of others, this is the concept and need of politics. Money may be trading hands, but in the end, compromises gets made and everyone gets happy, usually. Occasionally, there's a war. Threats occasionally gets tossed around as super powers struggle with each other. To assume that there's a shadow organization without the need to ponder on matters of politics is silly. Financial interests rule most decisions, and since the US has been a well known company for years, it would not be a stretch that the economical upper class has the power to rule those below. But a financial upper class would have no need to create a secret cult to maintain their power and thus the Illuminati as a concept falls flat due to greed alone. Besides, rituals, snake venom and cloaks could easily be traded for gentlemen millionaire clubs, with poker, whiskey and thousand dollar suits, and a whole manner of other luxuries.

HappyTauren · Sep 9, 2014

MiniMage said:
The topic of this little discussion was the Illuminati, greedy little world controlling businessmen who laugh maniacally to dramatic lighting and attempt to control the world. The biggest issue with this topic was that people tried to discuss this topic with a serious tone.

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But a financial upper class would have no need to create a secret cult to maintain their power.

That's what they want us to believe, open your eyes, sheeple!

Boris_Spider · Sep 9, 2014

HappyTauren said:
That's what they want us to believe, open your eyes, sheeple!

Reference?

Prince Charles talks to Lynn Forester de Rothschild (left), organizer of the Conference on Inclusive Capitalism, and Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, before Tuesday's conference. The 250 corporate and financial leaders who attended control some $30 trillion, about a third of the world's investable assets.

So 250/7,000,000,000 = 3.5714E-8, which means that 0.0000035714% of the population (assuming static 1 billion) controls 1/3 of the populations wealth. This also assumes I didn't fail at math again...

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WhiteFang · Sep 9, 2014

HappyTauren said:
That's what they want us to believe, open your eyes, sheeple!

Indeed. They feed us a lot of crap just to close our eyes so we can't see what is really going on.Edit:belive it or not but I just went to look how many views this thread has and it has...666. 666. That's beyond coincedance

Zombie · Sep 9, 2014

Nuclear · Sep 10, 2014

Boris_Spider said:
So 250/7,000,000,000 = 3.5714E-8, which means that 0.0000035714% of the population (assuming static 1 billion) controls 1/3 of the populations wealth. This also assumes I didn't fail at math again...

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They themselves don't, but the institutions/companies they represent.

It's also funny how their primary concern is the fact that capitalism is starting to look bad and lose public support, not that it's actually ruining the world. It's all about PR. Oh well, they do advocate for economic growth.. into their pockets.

Boris_Spider · Sep 10, 2014

Nuclear said:
They themselves don't, but the institutions/companies they represent.

It's also funny how their primary concern is the fact that capitalism is starting to look bad and lose public support, not that it's actually ruining the world. It's all about PR. Oh well, they do advocate for economic growth.. into their pockets.

They are the institutions though...

Funny, and kinda sad. These people command an insane number of sheep too..

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Nuclear · Sep 10, 2014

Boris_Spider said:
They are the institutions though...
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That's like saying that Obama is the USA..

WhiteFang · Sep 10, 2014

Nuclear said:
That's like saying that Obama is the USA..

Is he?

Zombie · Sep 11, 2014

http://rs1img.memecdn.com/illuminati-everywhere_o_3082667.jpg

WhiteFang · Sep 11, 2014

Zombie said:
http://rs1img.memecdn.com/illuminati-everywhere_o_3082667.jpg

Lol. That is a deep secret.btw is this the biggest off-topic thread?

Boris_Spider · Sep 12, 2014

Nuclear said:
That's like saying that Obama is the USA..

... I suppose you could say he's currently the mask for those who are the USA.

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HappyTauren · Sep 12, 2014

Illuminati don't want you to see this photo!

novi-svetski-poredak-vladari-svetska-vlada-iluminati.jpg

LordDz · Sep 12, 2014

Half-Life 3 confirmed.

Zombie · Sep 12, 2014

Wake up, wake up!

The+truth...+small+illuminati+small_3eb5c2_4918043.jpg

Justicebringer · Sep 13, 2014

HappyTauren · Sep 13, 2014

People don't get it that you don't just randomly believe in Illuminati. You have to accept Illuminati in your heart, and see that they are real and they love you.

Nuclear · Sep 13, 2014

Justicebringer said:

Henry Kissinger said something and it was taken out of context? Cool. So this proves a global conspiracy? This was already posted once in this thread and it hasn't gotten any more convincing since that time.

Nuclear · Sep 13, 2014

I found PROOF OF ILLUMINATI!

In this picture, you can see an alien invader chilling on a balcony:

http://i.imgur.com/mxbaxZX.jpg

after the alien was found, Google blurred the alien from streetview:

https://www.google.com/maps/preview...France&t=h&z=17&panoid=MqIXLZ4Vz8nVyvdpisXM9g