Guild Wars VS WoW

[Linkin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgz4wa9VN6k
^ Watch Video and Leave your opinion as a comment

 

[ndh]

Personaly, i have played both games, and my favorite (by far) is GW2. For those of us that played DAOC, and always wanted a second one, this is it and so much more. That and having your level cap increased every 6 months like in WoW is annoying. Nothing like grinding out your gear only to have it replaced the moment you get it. IMO, it's about time an mmo had the guts to bring back 3 way pvp. But that's my opinion, you can either agree or disagree with me, it's what makes us human.

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

Without a doubt, WoW wins this one. I don't know why. Maybe it's the huge database and appealing graphics, maybe the fact most of my friends play it, maybe the fact that it's contagious, so once you start you never stop.

 

[Vunjo]

So...where to begin :O

Leveling
WoW
In WoW it's quite fun to level up, as there are a lot of low level instances to join. There's even random instance join button, where you can look for any group, at any level. While leveling, people learn how to play their class, and also, discover lovely regions.

GW2
As far as I heard, you can just get instant max level, and do PvP. That way, people are missing the whole fun of leveling, and learning the class step by step.

Leveling: WoW>GW2

Graphics
WoW
We all know that WoW is very old, thus it cannot have some good looking graphics. Still, it's requirements are low, which some people may like. Even though the graphics aren't the best here, it's still good enough to be played by everyone.

GW2
Horrible for the year it is coming. Slightly better than WoW, but still horrible graphics for a game coming in 2012. When I first saw it, I was like "Hey, let's make High GFX GW2 in World Editor!".

Graphics: GW2>WoW (Still horrible)

PvE
WoW

Tanks, healers, and DPS. Most common parts of PvE. Old, but fun, and is not causing any problems. While some bosses are "Tank and spank", others require at least some action, and changes. Overall, PvE is great. Boss size is bad though, I hate kicking them in the foot >.<

GW2
As far as I see from the video in the link, it's basically some bad change of the regular Tank, Heal and DPS. The fact that there are 3 choices as well show that they weren't really up for some new or unique ideas. Boss size is bad as well.

PvE: WoW>GW2

PvP
WoW
People usually say that some classes dominate PvP (Most likely Rogue and Warlock by CCs, and Paladin by being nearly invulnerable if played well). Rogue and Warlock are indeed a bit stronger PvP classes, but they both can be countered pretty easy. I for one do not think that PvP here is based on classes.
Talking about the balance, I would say it's balanced overall, people just need to master their classes, and use them in right time.

GW2
PvP here could be slightly better, as it's more dynamic than in WoW, and requires more action. The fact that you can dodge most of spells makes it more interesting.

While WoW may be more fun by classes, GW2 offers different kind of PvP, which in my opinion makes it better:

PvP: GW2>WoW

My rate overall: 2 : 2 => Equal.

 

[Orcnet]

I remembered playing guild wars 1, it was epic, and wow gave me so much info about storylines and such, so overall they equal

 

[Arcisal]

Guild Wars PvP owns WoW, IMO. But love questing in WoW.

 

[Crazed_seal2]

I dont see how you can compare a game like World of Warcraft to Guild Wars 2.

World of Warcraft is seriously old, and set the standard for MMORPG's.
Guild Wars 2 is quite new, and is based off the standard.

 

[Wolfe]

Leveling
WoW
In WoW it's quite fun to level up, as there are a lot of low level instances to join. There's even random instance join button, where you can look for any group, at any level. While leveling, people learn how to play their class, and also, discover lovely regions.

GW2
As far as I heard, you can just get instant max level, and do PvP. That way, people are missing the whole fun of leveling, and learning the class step by step.

Leveling: WoW>GW2

... yes, that is correct, but people aren't forced to do World vs. World PvP. There is also an optional tutorial stage for players new to PvP as well. If people want to learn the class step-by-step, then they should start off with PvE first. If people want to rush in head-first without a thought and start taking keeps down with entire servers, then they're free to do so.

imo, GW2 wins here. It's fresh and new with some new changes to the previous benchmark laid down by, wait for it!, Ultima Online, Everquest and DAoC - WoW's predecessors. WoW was good in it's time, and still is, but it's stale and quite frankly the expansions are becoming more tiresome. GW2's combat is more dynamic, the entire quest system has been altered to a degree where we're no longer constantly doing the same task over and over until we're high enough for an instance. But it really just comes down to personal preference.

 

[Linkin]

While everyone seems at it will throw my opinion aswell.
WoW indeed set alot of standards and has both very solid gameplay and Playerbase even if they like to complain alot.

Guild Wars 2 will try to change the basic gameplay and make it fresh, it might fail or it might not.
Even if I did start this poll I might see Guild Wars as a diffrent kind of MMO.

But a reminder to all, all past MMO's was really hyped and in context sounded like the best game ever.
But over and over again proven that they can't take over the standards and make new ones.

And those who say they can't compare WoW and Guild Wars, it's very possible.
It's also fair to compare Guild Wars 2 to WoW before MoP comes out becouse you should ALWAYS compare the present games (If Guild Wars 2 is better then WoW it is simply, no need to wait for MoP to come out, you just compare it again and see if WoW have become the ''best'' again.

 

[Dragonson]

So...where to begin :O
GW2
As far as I heard, you can just get instant max level, and do PvP. That way, people are missing the whole fun of leveling, and learning the class step by step.
My rate overall: 2 : 2 => Equal.

... yes, that is correct, but people aren't forced to do World vs. World PvP. There is also an optional tutorial stage for players new to PvP as well. If people want to learn the class step-by-step, then they should start off with PvE first. If people want to rush in head-first without a thought and start taking keeps down with entire servers, then they're free to do so.

imo, GW2 wins here. It's fresh and new with some new changes to the previous benchmark laid down by, wait for it!, Ultima Online, Everquest and DAoC - WoW's predecessors. WoW was good in it's time, and still is, but it's stale and quite frankly the expansions are becoming more tiresome. GW2's combat is more dynamic, the entire quest system has been altered to a degree where we're no longer constantly doing the same task over and over until we're high enough for an instance. But it really just comes down to personal preference.

...
Okay, so I was gonna' do this whole thing where i'm coming back from being inactive and all that, waiting till Rui unlocks my thread till really gettin' my return out there and stuff, but i find your Argument here seriously handicapped Wolfe.
Therefore I find it my duty as a person with very high expectations of GW2 and an avid ArenaNet fanboy to explain how the person arguing against you here is utterly wrong.


So, first off, how the system works is this:
When you are in The Mists (The PvP Hub) you have everything unlocked.
All skills, all traits, all gear. Whatever you need, it's there.
This allows you to immediately jump into PvP the MOMENT you leave your race's initial starting zone.
If you go into WvW, leaving Organized PvP and entering the huge Serverscale fights, what happens is different.
Your stats get buffed to that of a lv 80, but you still only have the skills/items/traits of a person at your level. This means that you CAN participate in the fight, but there is a drive to at least reach lv 30 before getting in there and just spending the rest of your time in glorious PvP.

HOWEVER, and this is where your argument is flawed, this all dissipates the moment you leave PvP.
The way they have set it up seperates PvP and PvE completely.
You might count as a lv 80 in PvP, and your character might look totally buffed in the aesthetically awesome PvP gear (which however doesn't give him any actually better stats) that he spent all his glory (GW2's version of honour) on, but the moment he leaves the mists he's back at level 5 in PvE.

It is technically possible to level all the way from lv1 to lv80 just by doing World Versus World, as you do gain xp from doing that (which you dont get from organized PvP, you get glory) but i dont think anyone would want that.

So, yes. You can go and play PvP at par with the lv Eighties from Lv1, but the way it is set up it does in no way ruin your levelling experience.
And on top of that organized PvP even has a completely seperate levelling system that levels up your PvP badassness the more PvP you play.

 

[Vunjo]

^ Sorry to say but underline the word where I said "ruined the leveling".
Yes people can either level up or get instant 80. As we all know, there are tons of fans who wait for new games such as GW2 itself to come. So let's say that there's someone playing Skyrim, who knows nothing about PvP. He hears rumors about GW2, and starts playing it. He decides not to waste time leveling up, so he picks instant max level. What happens then? Random guy, with 0 experience in PvP starts it in a completely new and different game? It's obvious there will be loads of people coming from all kinds of games to GW2 with more or less experience in PvP.
In other words, certain players would get owned pretty easy by other players, which would result into rage-quit, and possible reputation drop of GW2. And that would happen for only 2 reasons:
1.) New and popular game
2.) End game PvP at the very beginning

 

[Dragonson]

Okay, so, i could make another wall of text now... But i know people don't like those.
So i'l sum it up in this.

What you're saying is basically:
'There will be Noobs.'

My reply to that:
'There are ALWAYS Noobs.'

Besides, the PvP system in gw2 is shockingly easy to learn, mainly because of it's heavy rooting in logic and basic fighting principles.

 

[Vunjo]

Short and correct, not offensive. That's kind of answer I wanted and received. Thank you.

On Topic: Most of people will vote for GW2 at the end. The poll itself says it for now. I'm just curious to see if more people will be in for PvE or PvP. Probably PvP, but it's worth of asking.

 

[ndh]

My Review...

PvP and WvWvW

While both games have some interesting pvp options, i personally find that Guild Wars 2 is much better when it comes to player vs. player. My reasons to support this are simple...

1) Yes you can go to WvWvW (Arenanets server vs server vs server open world pvp) at level 1, but you wouldn't know many abilites, or how to use them. This makes the player have to either tough it out, or head off to pve for an hourbor two to learn how to use his/her chosen weapons. And as for the instanced pvp, EVERYONE GETS THE SAME... EVERYTHING. The only thing that makes you more or less successful is your personal skill as a player. By my understanding, Arenanet did this to keep the gear out of that particular gameplay. Meaning you no longer have to worry about someone else having the newest best gear, or having better abilities than you.

2) Ah, the graphics...
yes we all know that gw2 could be better, but why should it? I prefer it the way it is. It looks way better than WoW and still lets a majority of players a decent mostly* lag free experience. Imo, if your still using a tube monitor, its time to stop complaining, and fix the problem

*depends on how high the players video settings are

3) Lets say you have a friend who is a die hard GW Two player, and you just started playimg the game today. With the scaling system in GW2, ANY high level player can go to ANY area and still play with there friends. This is a smart move, because it strenghtens guilds and the community. And no, if your level 73 (for example) and your level 5 buddy is looking for some company, YOU, being the higher level, can go down to where your friend is and have your stats and level downgraded to the level of that area. This makes EVERY zone a challenge, no more 1 player vs 100 npcs to help power level their friends.

To fully understand what both games have to offer, just YouTube it. Oh and 50$ to buy the game, and then 15$ a month (its actually around 17$ with tax), and THEN have to pay for.the expansions...
You would be better off (financially) if you payed the 50$ for GW2, which doesn't have a monthly fee. And looo at it this way, and expansion can be aroundi 30-50$ every 6-8 months (that's if the expansion has to payed for). Let me ask you, how much is 15×6? Think i would rather pay the 50$ for an expansion, than pay 50$ AND the 90$ (six months of play) from monthly fees. Its up to you to decide.