Fsjal Drawing Contest #1

[EloTheMan]

@BloodElf300, So you left your Myrmidon?

I like your new entry, many details

 

[Cakedog345]

Wow ! May be! Great contest !
As i see, will not be an easy task for the jury!
How to choose between so many great works?
Congratulations to the contestants !

 

[w3.player]

OK, this is the LAST DAY, people... please try to finish your entries fast.

 

[Dynamiczx]

I thought that we should have come with the entries in 6 october, tomorrow...
I doubt if i can make the drawing today, as today i will be busy all day and tomorow i will go on a birthday party

 

[w3.player]

If you can't make it... you can withdraw from the contest and join the next one... I'm sincerely sorry but i know for sure that i stated the ending date as 5 November from the beginning... (we are not in October).

 

[Dynamiczx]

Ok, guess i will withdraw, sorry to everyone but i couldn't have time to make the fsjal -.-
Still good luck to the participants and hope that the best drawing shall win

 

[w3.player]

Ok, dear contestants, i officially announce the contest as passed into stage 2, the judging. You can no longer bring drawings or edits now. Please wait patiently for the jury's decision.

 

[Wimbo125]

I wants these fsjals as icons to be used in maps

 

[Dynamiczx]

That's one of the wisest things i have heard recently, Wimbo

 

[w3.player]

True... but please keep the off-topic out of the contest.

 

[Cakedog345]

Jury will only vote in this contest, or will be a poll - that other members can vote ?

 

[w3.player]

So far... it's up to the jury... after that... maybe we will make a poll if the jury can't decide between 2 or 3 people for first place. (it's a tough contest)

 

[Cakedog345]

"it's a tough contest"- Yeah !

 

[w3.player]

Well... after some debating, with the help of Hubcool, i have can say that i have brought to you the final scoring. It's basically a media between my scores and Hubcool's scores.

Contestant	Originality Score	Details Score	Fsjal Features Score	Total Score
KaplanHorus	2.5	3	3	8.5
Sky_Green	2.5	2	2.5	6.5
Xian	2.5	2.5	3	8
Lordan12	-	-	-	Disqualified
Gorb	2.5	3.5	3	9
EloTheMan	2.5	3.5	3	9
BloodElf300	2.5	3	2.5	8

(I am sorry Lordan12, yet the contest was about making an warcraft 3 character, not a random medieval character.)


Seeing all those results i must say that we have only one option left. We shall open a poll to let the members decide who get's first place and who gets second place from Gorb and EloTheMan, third place being KaplanHorus's.

Please being voting right away: Just reply to this discussion with your vote and i will adjust the primary topic with the results.

 

[Dynamiczx]

I vote for Gorb and his Arthas Fsjal because i like the little details he made to the armour like the skeletons and the chest...And also that he transmuted Arthas very well as a Fsjal

 

[Cakedog345]

With great regret, i can say i'm disappointed!
I think is not fair! And i did not expect this ....

 

[Gorb]

I'm a bit disappointed at what Bloodelf300's score turned out to be, i was expecting it to be 8 or higher even though he saved it as jpg format. I was even amazed about his entry. I'm also a bit disappointed at Xian's scores because IMO his looks better than Kaplan Horus' entry which had a perspective flaw on his entry's shoulder pads

 

[Xian]

Me too,i felt like bloodelf300's entry was amazing.
anyways congrats bro! (srsly he's my brother)
I'm not planning to win this one anywayz lol
Still,i will be making more and more fsjals of figures i see that are interesting

 

[Gorb]

The only thing i thought Bloodelf was going to fail on was the basic fsjal features but I stand corrected, he failed on originality too?Why?Why?

 

[Cakedog345]

Broken rules :
1.The Jury – these are the people who will use their fair spirit, observation and reviewing skills ...
2.How detailed is the drawing... how many things you can see in it, colors blending together and other artistic features.
3...you need to make a replica of a character or unit-type which appears in the Warcraft III RoC or tFT Lore.
4.How original the drawing is... how much creativity was used to make it.

Requirements in addition to the rules:
"...but i request that you all mention what program you use... so that if someone uses paint and someone else uses another program... we can think out the differences and make a correct judging."
"I suggest you guys to do it so we can make an easier job for the judges because some things can't be done in some programs while some can be in other programs and so on and so on and so we should put the name of the program for a more appropiate score...."

And now my advice:
I suggest you stop competitions, if you can not be honest....

 

[Sin'dorei300]

...........................................................................................................BloodElf200

Sorry, i'm not BloodElf200!!!
And thank you guys(Gorb,Xian,Cakedog345)!

 

[w3.player]

^^Sorry, my bad... i shall correct.

Also... if i were the only judge... i think firs place would have been Gorb, then BloodElf, then EloTheMan... those were the most fantastinc entries... BloodElf300, you could have gotten a full 10 from me if the eyes would have kept the normal fsjal look.... yet i wasn't the only judge. O my god... now i see... i mistyped twice... BloodElf300's score was 8 actually...

So i am sorry if the results aren't as you wish... Hubcool didn't seem to pay much attention while scoring maybe. From some weird reason he gave low score to all at originality... i don't know why... ( If you want, i can give a quote of his PM...

 

[w3.player]

Here is Hubcool's PM to me with his scoring:

KaplanHorus

The concept is pretty original for a grunt, especially for the scar and how you've pulled out the mouth. Lots of details going on, and the shading is a big plus, it could've used some more texture for a perfect note. Obviously, all of the fsjal's features are there, so it's all good.

Originality: 2/3
Details: 3/4
Basic Fsjal Features: 3/3

Total: 8/10

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Sky_Green

Concept isn't anything new, but somehow, I like the addition of the ear to it. The details in this are kinda lacking though, you kept the thick line of the original fsjal, but all of your other lines are much thinner and this creates an unpleasant feel. Even though most of the character is surrounded by a thick black line, the axe isn't and it seems to lose quality. The colors Alot of the lines are also pretty chaotic. Fsjal features are there, but it misses a hand.

Originality: 2/3
Details: 1/4
Basic Fsjal Features: 2/3

Total: 5/10

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Xian

I like the way the eyebrows stand out, adds a new feel to the original funny look of the fsjal. Details are cool, I can see some shading efforts, but I see a few tiny little spots left white all over the fsjal, nearly between the arms/cape area. His right arm also look a little weird, it's not attached to his body. Fsjal features are all present.

Originality: 2/3
Details: 2/4
Basic Fsjal Features: 3/3

Total: 7/10

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Gorb

This thing made me lol for some reason. If Arthas is probably the most obvious concept ever, the way it was done surprised me. Lots of details going on, from the skulls to the added fingers to the hair details. Even has some shadings on his face, and the eyes could almost make him look evil. The only thing that's out of place are the random brown spots on the shoulder/elbow protector. All elements of the fsjal are in there.

Originality: 2/3
Details: 3/4
Basic Fsjal Features: 2/3

Total: 8/10

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EloTheMan

Again nothing groundbreaking about the concept, but the execution and creativity for all of it is there. The details on this are fabulous, from the best hair I've yet to see to the details on the clothes and crown. Basically, I like how the style is uniform and clean. Once again, all fsjal features were used.

Originality: 2/3
Details: 4/4
Basic Fsjal Features: 3/3

Total: 9/10

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BloodElf200

Concept once again basic, but it gains in creativity for me the way you've done the eyes, which are mesmerizing, to say the least. Details are present in abundance, plenty of shadings aswell, but there are some weaker spot, notably the weirdness of the left side of the cape and the fact that if the right here is that long, you should be able to see at least a little part of the left one on the other side. All elements of the fsjal are present.

Originality: 2/3
Details: 3/4
Basic Fsjal Features: 3/3

Total: 8/10

 

[EloTheMan]

The quote says Bloodelf200

anyway, next competition we could combine judge points and group vote points

 

[Hubcool]

There seems to be some confusion, so I'll let you all see the PM

I mostly agree with you... those are mostly perfect... but as i said before. Lordan12 is desqualified... The contest specified that he must make an warcraft 3 (roc or tft) character... that king is nowhere in warcraft 3. Even if let's say it were Terenas from the movie... Terenas is a lot older, with many differences.
BloodElf200 lost 1 point at basic fsjal features... the eyes didn't have their pupils right any longer...

Also... Gorb deserves an 9/10 total, because in my opinion he has 4/4 at details. Also... why did you put 2/3 on all at originality? If the contest was based on warcraft characters... the originality counts if he made the character in an original way, not just copy it exactly from the game.

Anyway... thank you a lot for the help... we all appreciate it.

Oh, 'disqualified'! I thought dequilified was the effect used or something. Alright then just ignore his judging. About BloodElf200, you're right, tell me if you want it rectified or keep it that way, it's normal our judgings are a little different. Gorb's was one of those with lot of details, but I mostly judged this with the amount of details, the details' clean-ness (not to leave random dots, white spots, errors, etc) and points for the artistic qualities of the style used. So he lost a little points for, like I said, the little brown dots left on the armor area. And yeah, originality was hard to judge for me they all chose pre-existing characters, directly for the game, with mostly even the same color schemes. I wasn't going to put 1-0 to everyone so I decided to see it another way, giving 1 if absolutely nothing special was used (which I gave to 1-2 entries I think), 2 if there was one standout, if a part of the fsjal was originally made and 3 if there were 2 or more standouts (which didn't happen I believe). But yeah, here are my reasons, reply if you still think something's wrong and has to be changed.

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Anyway, I thought my judging was fair, I gave out reasons for the ratings, you can always ask if some points aren't clear. I would've given 3/3 if someone would've like 'skinned' his fsjal or something (form of a wc3 model, but with different colors, aspect, etc). You all stayed to reproducing the original wc3 characters' appearances, and that's why I didn't give a perfect score to anyone. I hope this clears out some confusion, again, I took my time to make a fair judging. I'll actively check this page to see if you guys have any questions

PS: w3.player, you'll PM me (or answer in this thread) to know how we'll hand out the rewards.

PSS: Yeah, I now it's BloodElf300

 

[Wimbo125]

I wonder how many points Thrall would've gotten...

 

[Cakedog345]

Judge comments :" The details on this are fabulous, .......... the details on the clothes and crown."
?????? Where are these fabulous details? I don't see - to have more details than others.
Lol ...Someone missed the math lesson!

 

[Xian]

LOL the confusion!,anyways Congrats to Elo!
-Xian's Sign of Approval
I'm still good though

 

[Cakedog345]

For me - Gorb - is the winner !

 

[EloTheMan]

Cakedog, your scores are lacking as well.

My comments

Sky_Green: He is missing a hand because of the shield which gives him a 2,5 in Fsjal Features
Xian: He had many details but I believe quality goes in under that category as well, the crow looked weird and the shoulders could have used more lines. Personally, Id give him a 3.
Gorb: there are still white lines here and there, which isn't a part of Arthas armor/clothing. If he would have fixed that I would given him a 4 in details.
EloTheMan: I didn't put in details such as leafs or skulls but I had a lot of shading/highlight here and there plus I had a lot of work to make the clothes and hair (and the "chest") to make it match the Fsjal lines so it would stay 3D-ish without any major change in the overall Fsjal lines. Which gives it more "detailes" in general.
BloodElf300: He had a a lot of lines here on the robe and in the beard, just excellent but his clothes didn't follow the Fsjal posure which lowered his score since he was lacking that specific detail. Even Fsjals are drawn in a 3d posture.

The originality score is a big fail and shouldn't have been in this contest at all.

You can still vote forth the winner tho. And besides, you can go for a Judge position in the next one

 

[Cakedog345]

As you may know - working with MsPaint - don`t have too many possibilities.
So, it's hard to add shadows ....and work clean.
On the other hand the rules - not specified anywhere that would be applied shadows and other... so (imo), the Fsjals must be something simple and fun!
Last but not least, don`t forget that you compete with some kid smaller than you with 3-4 years. So, it makes sense for you to have some extra skills .
As for me, i don`t want to be judge (besides, i don`t want to "hurt" anyone) and i don`t have enough experience for that .
I posted here my opinion and that's just because i can not stand injustice, especially when it can affect (...disappoint) some kids.
I've done something wrong?

 

[w3.player]

Cakedog, you are partially right, and it's not wrong to state your opinion...

Anyway, at the request of EloTheMan... here are my personal scorings...

Contestant	Originality Score	Details Score	Fsjal Features Score	Total Score
KaplanHorus	3	3	3	9
Sky_Green	3	2	2.5	7.5
Xian	3	3	3	9
Lordan12	-	-	-	Disqualified
Gorb	3	4	3	10
EloTheMan	3	3	3	9
BloodElf300	3	4	2.5	9.5

I think that in the way everyone made their entries... Gorb and BloodElf300 were the best, as for the third place... well i just couldn't decide seeing so many fine art-pieces.

 

[Dynamiczx]

Cakedog, no one ever put an age limit for this contest, it is normal to compete with people older or younger than you...And no, if you are older, it doesn't really means to be better...That younger kid might have drawed Fsjal for a way more time than that older guy did

And this first contest was like a test, to see how will it develop, and also to figure if contests are a good idea...In my opinion, it came out good, since people joined, and gave all their best at it...About the judge....well I got nothing really to say here as i think the judges did their right work...

I am still waiting for the vote to end so i can see who will end on the first place

 

[EloTheMan]

Judging is very delicate process Cakedog, im not mad at you or anything but you must understand the process. And to me it seemed like you gave a sort of "handicap" to those who used MS paint, in contests they don't give you handicap for using a different brush and I used a free ware to make mine to.

Anyway, this is the first drawing contest and the second one will probably be much better with the rules and the score table.

 

[w3.player]

We actually really asked that contestants should say what program they used... so that this way the judges would know if the specific entry was made easier or harder (thinking about the programs capabilities).

Anyway... due to the fact that this contest, as Dynamiczx said, was more like a test... i think future contests will be based only on member voting (even contestants are allowed to vote, and they can vote for themselves, but of course you only get one vote... so voting for yourself when nobody else does would be a bit stupid).


Also, Dynamiczx... i don't think this vote will end now... because most people just began criticizing the judging rather than trying to fairly choose a winner.

 

[Cakedog345]

"Judging is very delicate process Cakedog" -
I know ! That's why i said - don`t want (don`t intend) to be judge, because i don`t want to hurt anyone and because i don`t have enough experience.
This doesn`t prevent me to express my opinion freely, as long as i do not offend anyone.
In fact - if i remember correctly, THW is a site where constructive criticism is welcome .
I can not always say : awesome, great, good job, amazing, very nice ... And i think i already posted these words many times ....

For God's sake, never crossed my mind that there may be an age limit !
I want just emphasize the fact, that must be properly considered and appreciated the efforts of all participants, taking into account certain factors....
But i already passed the measure with this topic, so I stop here.
All the best for you all !

 

[Sky Green]

lol my fsjal sucked, but I think in the next contest imma be bettah alot! hurr durr

 

[Xian]

Who else here feel sorry for lordan12?

 

[Dynamiczx]

Constructive criticism is always welcomed, cakedog...But still the judge can't favorize a certain member because of his age or some certain factors(exept the program used, maybe...but in future contests maybe it won't be like that...) because that wouldn't be fair for other

 

[w3.player]

Xian, yes i feel sorry for him... it's too bad because he actually put some work in the fsjal he made... but i don't know... we can't read the contest rules for him... we don't have his eyes.

 

[EloTheMan]

Xian, we have all been there once.

Anyway, This voting is being really slow so I suggest you close it down soon and give Gorb his 1st place, no point in dragging this out.

 

[Wimbo125]

I would've beaten you all anyways

 

[w3.player]

Fine, so basically this contest is over. I will request that Gorb is given his reward, and this discussion will probably be deleted.

 

[Hubcool]

Hmm, I agree with EloTheMan, not only the originality in this was hard to achieve (wc3 characters isn't the broadest theme ever) and it should've been more about the technique and details, for this one contest. Just my opinion though, I judged on the criterias that were chosen instead.

So yeah, now that we have a winner, w3.player you can send me a message (or reply here) to know how we'll give out the rewards (I'll guess for the rep we'll both rep all three winners (so 5 rep?)). Dynamicz will have to see for the other rewards.

 

[Xian]

@ Wimbo125
Why are you soooo..... Boastful?

 

[Wimbo125]

@ Xian
Because... I am AWESOME!!!

 

[Xian]

@Wimbo
it's Not allowed to be an ass in the hive tho,youre safe... because if mods see you post something like this in forum threads,they will neg rep you
Anyway Im kinda inactive in making these stuff

 

[Wimbo125]

@Xian I hope they know that none of this is meant seriously

 

[Dynamiczx]

Okay, i changed the Social Group's avatar from the basic template to Gorb's Arthas Fsjal
And i also uploaded EloTheMan's Sorceress in the Fsjal album as a 2nd honorific drawing...Hope i did it all right
And now i am going to also add Gorb's arthas in the album as a honorific drawing too
If i did something wrong please tell me so i can quickly correct it

Edit:I have done adding Gorb's fsjal as a honorific drawing in the social group album

 

[Ilike]

@ Xian
He was just kidding..