Founders of the North 1.15

[Tleno]

Well then what about an old hag for everyone who didn't got other wife? I mean that's quite unfair, the one who gets a wife first also get's rid of the ring and has more of inventory space.
Seriously, I think everyone should have a wife, but those who hurry more will be able to choose the one they want, not the one left. Plus it makes all the situation quite unbabalnced, I seriously recommend making enough wifes for everyone. And what's about other ideas of mine?

 

[The Pale King]

@tleno

I think that the courier idea is ok, but isn't that what your villagers are for? sure the trade goods cant be picked up by non-heroes, but i don't really see a problem with it. (although I would like them to have more inventory, maybe 4 slots?)


-Ideas-
Could you add an ability to the villagers to pick up all items in a small radius? for those players who
farm apples. (those apple trees are the devil in tree form, leave them alone for awhile and you cant catch up.)


-Bug report-
When I add woolen armor to regular archers, after awhile they disappear, mostly when dawn breaks.

 

[Tleno]

I ussually use villagers to patrol around the town walls with auto-repair on. They repair all the defences from random wolves and calamities.
I still say couriers would be the best.
Oh, and how do you exactly make potions with the cauldron? I tryed putting items in it and other stuff, but nothing was sucesful.

 

[Domasi]

Sifonseal, I think you should change that Training Grounds building model. It looks weird and doesn't even stay in place after it's built.

 

[The Pale King]

@tleno

Alchemy took me awhile to figure out, but basically once you use the extraction feature in the cauldron (to convert plants into a usable substance) you must have the proper vial as well as the right amount of ingredients.

and about villagers I only end up using 2 for that purpose, and using pack horses for shipping goods. (such as iron ore and alike)

@Sifonseal

You could use the barracks model included in the medieval buildings pack, for the warcamp.

 

[Sifonseal]

@DrakeD
Thx for the ideas, all valid and should be added soon.
Also thx for finding those bug ill go check them out myself and fix them up.
As for the great werewolf, it’s intentionally hard to kill; using lanterns is useful to stop it from running away.
The fact that the werewolf drops Whitefang’s White fang is simply because I haven’t added a special item for it yet, open to suggestions.

@tleno
Yes more wives will be added soon.
You suggestions for the new wives are great btw.
Personally I don’t think the wives should only be available to one person only, since it might make the rush for your wife a bit annoying, and not getting the one you want can also be a bother.
Wise old man idea is also good, definitely being added.
The bandits also need the endgame research to kill other bandits off; in the end it makes them less safe but gives them a chance to finish off other bandit players.
(Obviously you wouldn’t do unless you feel your base is secure)
Something similar to your “Couriers” idea will be added soon (Almost done)
The fact that you must sell items at the three town markets is important as it allows you to “siege” other players, which is really the only way to kill a good player, if you can sell things at your town I would have to be at a very low price.

@Domasi
Yes I always intended to add a courtship system to the game before you can simply throw a ring at them and marry them, basically you have a 40% chance of getting accepted at first, after doing some quests (Courtship events) the chance improves more and more etc, I didn’t add this since I wanted people to get familiar with FOTN first.
Yea I guess the model for the Training grounds could be changed, and the reason for it moving is because units can walk through it, this means that if something is standing within the area of the building when construction is finished it will move to a spot where it can fit (This is just warcraft jumping it)

@The Pale King
Wow I have no idea what happened with the wool armor. Maybe I didn’t fully grasp what you were saying, ill go test it my self and see what’s up.

Since people keep mentioning it I guess ill use a solid structure for the Training camp and change the pathing to a solid too to avoid the jumping.


Thx for all the input guys keep it up.
FOTN will be awesome at this rate.


Edit:
@Domasi
If it’s the black edges on the ramp you mentioned I went about and fixed them, sadly though it wasn’t fixable by messing with terrain elevation, it was caused by irregular forms of ramps, since I wasn’t a big fan of the general ramp shapes which protrude at the ends and doesn’t let you make sudden stops.
(The sudden stops caused these black areas and can be fixed, but this would make many areas look very different.)

@The Pale King
Actually I had an ability that loots most items (Gathering, Raw Material and other massing classed items) in an area around the user, the reason the ability isn’t actually in use is because it seemed to cause some lag each time it was used. (I think picking item groups is scripted poorly)
Ill try and work around it thought.

 

[Tleno]

@tleno
Yes more wives will be added soon.
You suggestions for the new wives are great btw.
Personally I don’t think the wives should only be available to one person only, since it might make the rush for your wife a bit annoying, and not getting the one you want can also be a bother.
Wise old man idea is also good, definitely being added.
The bandits also need the endgame research to kill other bandits off; in the end it makes them less safe but gives them a chance to finish off other bandit players.
(Obviously you wouldn’t do unless you feel your base is secure)
Something similar to your “Couriers” idea will be added soon (Almost done)
The fact that you must sell items at the three town markets is important as it allows you to “siege” other players, which is really the only way to kill a good player, if you can sell things at your town I would have to be at a very low price.

Glad you liked my brainstorming!
You know I tough about one more source of income: merchant ships. That's simple, you build a merchant ship in your dock, then fill it with random goods and send to bottom of the sea, somewhere where it's marked as "To Ocean" or something. So then the ship is gone and comes back after some time back, but some Northern goods are really priceless and will be sold for twice more than they cost in the far away lands, while other won't even be bought. You can find all info like that in Great Northern Port, just like you find info of item prices in markets. Also it increases the usefulness of warships, bandits can use them to raid merchant ships.

Talking about sea, you can also make a calamity that makes some water monsters or angry fishmen come out from lakes and seek revenge for poluting the water. that would be awesome, you'd have to find their sea queen or whatever to stop this madness.

You can take care of those ramps by finding a suitable colour rock model, making a dodad with no colision and using that model and page-uping/downing that rock so it would fill the black darkness. Or making it look like the cliff has rocky edges, you can actually add some rocks to cliffs and add some plants, that looks nice.

About the war camp bug, you can make so buildable camp has collision so nobody could walk on it, while when finished it gets replaced with passable one.

I hate that you have to complete quests to get a wife but other way some may get lucky and get her from first time. What about making so you would have to complete at least one quest to have some chance?

Oh, and some really weird ideas for the end:
-Spiky wines. Theroetically it's a growable like plant wall that gives the recieved damage back to attacker and has huge regeneration but low hp, so shall we say a bunch of wolves couldn't do anything to it and would be damaged, but you can just burn it with torch or other thing like that, so it's more of to protect from werewolves/wolves/idiots, not serious army.
-I'm sure Leonardo can come up with something better than a lame catapult. Maybe a balista that launches lots of flaming bullets at same time? Or some kind of fertileizer that makes croops grow faster? Or maybe some gunpowder fireworkds that scare away the animals and reveal the area?

 

[Sifonseal]

@Tleno
Another batch of great idea, keep them coming.
Merchant ships, great idea, its happening.
Fish-men or whatever calamity, concept good but, I am not sure if I want to go as far as fish-men, if we could try to stay in the Romantic mythology (Talking about the era) it would be good.
All ready done so to the ramps ^^
Thx for the tip about the camp, I guess that makes it a lot simpler, I could use the same thing for apple trees that have the same issue.
Yea is suppose I might make the chance of first success 0-40%, we will know soon enough. But yea having someone just luck it would suck.
Leo’s workshop has been in the “Coming soon” area for ages… i just never found the time for him.

@The Pale King
Ok I see what you were saying with the archer, I have no idea what’s doing that, ill go check it out.

 

[Energizer]

(Sorry about the long post)

Hey, I love FOTN. It's a VERY fun game, I have some suggestions as well

But first, and intro which is based in the view of someone new playing... (I am not ripping on your game.)

When I started playing, I was bored with the game. The reason I was bored was the fact that it was kinda confusing how the game worked... I was always asking questions, and asking what the point was. I left in the game pretty much after playing it for 10 minutes, and thought it wasn't good. Later on, I played it again for a second chance, and (unlike most people) read the Help F9 (unlike most people.) And I believe the game is awesome now that I get it.

Suggestions:

#1: I believe it would be better if you had a -tutorial command, so that new people could see a cinematic on how things work. A lot of times when I host the game, half the people will leave in the first 10 minutes, and that really frustrates me.

#2: Could we make more houses for our towns? as well as other shops? suck as Inns/Bars to attract travelers to our towns, to make it seem like it fits in with the other larger towns in the game.

#3: The road idea is a VERY great suggestion. I was thinking about that as well, and I think that would be really cool if we could make our own cobble stone streets.

#4: Adding more jobs to the game would make it more fun. I can think of many games (Werewolf Transylvania, Dark Deeds, Farmers of Terren Valley) Which are farming, fishing, and hunting. I think it would be cool if you could make the gathering more competitive, and more of a job, instead of a side job. If you just do gathering, you don't make enough money it seems to just preform that job. I think a postage/caravan job would be quite interesting too in the game, as well as guard jobs, and jobs where you fight for the Pagans or the Church.

#5: Could you make it where instead of the mine getting ore automatically, you need to hire miners, which will actually work to get the resources? Then they can just put the goods into the mine and it can be held in the inventory.

I did try once to make a map, and it really wasn't popular, but I think it was because I spent WAY too much time on the details... But, I'm a picky person, and like things working flawlessly, and efficiently.

What realm are you on BTW? If it's alright, I'd like to help you test this map. It's my most favorite game to play, and I usually play it once a day at least.

EDIT!

ONE LAST SUGGESTION.

Please get rid of the Grace Period "punishment" if you attack someone. The one where if u attack someone u respawn. I've had people use units from a training ground attack me, and I would go and attack them and their main unit, and I would respawn and get killed... Thank you

 

[The Pale King]

Are you planning making the founder model changeable? like for vampires (the dreadlord mdl) or for Paladins (the Cryptlord model naturally, jk lol.) or somesuch. Much more impressive leading an army than the default skin. ^^

(btw I'm working on a skin for the pagan witch, I might do one for the sorcerer (Although you probably should just go with the necromancer model to keep the map size smaller.)

 

[SomeRandomDeleted Dr. Cabbage0]

Sweet game m8! +rep & +4/5 vote

You gave me back much inspiration I thought I've lost forever, coz of that I change grade to 5/5

Keep working on the map, cheers!

 

[Sifonseal]

@Pale King
Yea a cryptlord model for paladins is much needed in FOTN, on a side note, skins would be great, and hopefully we can use them without damaging the file size too much.

@Redbean87
Glad I could help

 

[Azrooh]

1-3 players get desync'd when I start the game.
Also I can compress the skins down to 30-60kb if you want, send them to me at [email protected] and I'll compress them and send them back.

 

[Sifonseal]

You sure that isn’t a hosting issue? Anyone else noticed a similar issue but is otherwise fine with hosting full house large games?

 

[Azrooh]

I'm hosting with a bot, so it may be.

 

[Sifonseal]

I’ve joined others full house games before but I can only host with 7 people myself, once I get 8 there’s a chance I dc some of the players, this is caused by my net provider (Who I am otherwise happy with), yours might be a similar issue.
Although I really don’t see how a trigger in a map could cause dcing, unless through leaky functioning.


@The Pale King
About your previous comment, yes I am going to make founders more customizable by providing various armors and clothing’s obtained within dungeons.
Dungeons will be areas you can only enter with your heroes (Others may also join you), in these area there are strong monsters to overcome, treasure to find and various special events, and obviously a boss at the end.

 

[Azrooh]

Cinematics occasionally cause disconnects, I made one that disconnected blue every game. Might be something similar going on here.
All other maps are fine.

 

[Sifonseal]

I don’t think this is likely to be an issue with this map, I played a few games with this version just this weekend and no such problems arose, but I do recall that cinematic used to cause lag in the older laggy scripted versions, I suppose this could be that the connection being weak slips when “blue” in your game begins to lag during the cinematic.
Unless you are saying that there is a bug in war3 itself which causes dcing due to cinematics, if so ill have to tend to that.
Whether this is an issue with the map or not, thx for bringing it into light, if others have had the same issue we will know.

 

[SomeRandomDeleted Dr. Cabbage0]

I've never experienced any disconnects, played with full house online couple of times and on LAN games with several friends

No flaws in triggers and/or jass either yet (bugs)

I would really like to help out with this map, it has some really good potential, unfortunatly I have stuff IRL I have to take care of, I HATE IRL, it sucks...

If I were you Sifonseal I would make 2-7 game-modes
* Free for all
* Team mode
* 1 more hero to choose from and choose side; north vs south
* King of the hill
* Dota-like, with army, hero, or both, the player decides how he wants to play
* CTF
* Cooperative/FFA "RPG adventure" where you play how you like, and kill bosses/do quests etc, the usual

Not that hard to do in either jass or triggers.

Just brainstorming and givin some ideas

 

[Domasi]

I think the map is perfect as it is without any gamemode. Any gamemode would screw and ruin the theme of the map...

 

[SomeRandomDeleted Dr. Cabbage0]

I think the map is perfect as it is without any gamemode. Any gamemode would screw and ruin the theme of the map...

Its a mode, wich means you dont need to pick the damn mode if you dont want to...

Mode = CHOOSE your own mode, not RANDOM MODE OH NOES I CANT PICK

Normal mode = what it is right now, no more no less, stop whining

 

[TomiTomo]

<3 this map ^^
i found some bug like, when u were bandit, u can revive the founder. and when the revived founder died, all buildings gone, money gone 0 and u start with lv 1 bandit.

its abit weird to see the travelers watching around calmly when the pagans and the church are attacking each other

can u make 1 item for heroes or units that enables them to see invisible ? hunting bandit is hard without them. or maybe nerf the bandit skill to shadowmeld ?

 

[Sifonseal]

@TomiTomo
Thx for finding that bug, I’m surprised I didn’t notice it, could have caused many issues.
As for the invisible bandits, try Lantern posts, they put bandit players in their place, its almost cruel. ^^
Ah and as for the travelers there’s really little I can do about that sadly. Since ill need to use the same travelers as guild members in the soon to be released guild system it would mean the war disrupting them could causes instabilities.

 

[Azrooh]

Just a bit of feedback...
Towers are -way- too cheap, -way- too easily obtained, and are too strong. It's easy to mass 30+ towers and there is no way to kill them.
Also, not sure if this is a bug or not, but units will randomly disappear. It's only happened with archers and warships though. Archers much more common than warships.

 

[TomiTomo]

yep, normal archer always disappear, only elite archer and conscript stays. there is the traveller/guard spawning animation (light thingy) when they disappear.

 

[Sifonseal]

1.07 Sneak Peak

@...Several people
Yea I fixed the archer thing when Pale King mentioned it earlier, will be fine in the next release, as for the disappearing Warships, I’m guessing this was simply due to infection from werewolves if you had the calamity on.

@Azrooh
Towers aren’t actually that hard to deal with, in fact you often feel that you didn’t get what you paid for if your opponent knows what they are doing, using Fog Horns from the Great Southern Port or simply sending in Catapults will make quick work of a defense based around towers.
Still in the end, it is intentionally made so that it is hard to attack a player’s town causing you to need to “Siege” them to win, read “siege” in the help menu in game if you’re not sure what I mean.




Btw even though id rather not, I’m going to release version 1.07 right now.
This is a massive new addition, from here on making new additions will be easier since it’s got the frame work for the Quest system, the Dungeon system and the Treasure Loot system.

Change log:
Version 1.07
-Bugs fixed, i.e. disappearing archers etc…
-Fixed day/night times
-Halved drop rate of apples and grapes from apple trees and grapevines respectively
-Added new tier 4 buildings to engineer, e.g. brewery
-Added Brewery to make use of apples, grapes and potatoes.
-Limited Weapons to one for heroes
-Added Importing of Raw Materials Glass and Stone at Town Tower (Requires Town Center)
(Stone will be used for construction of structures in next version)
-Fixed Bug enabling Bandit and Founder at the same time
-New treasure chest system implemented for bosses and special event creeps
-Getting Blade artifact from each of the existing bosses will now occur 50% of the time from their chest (Whitefang and Tamriel will still drop at 100%)
-Addition of dungeons!! (The dungeons will actually have for the first time in war 3 history opponents that can be much harder, if not impossible to beat unless you use your head. You won’t encounter such foes at first but deeper in the dungeons there will be enemies who will overwhelm you with strange abilities you must overcome rather than just high stats, this will make the RPG element of FOTN grow greatly)
-Released first dungeon. Amarti Mine
-New Quest System allowing special character progression, items and unlocking more secrets of the north. (More for you RPG lovers)
-Bug with buildings getting infected by the werewolf calamity is fixed


(There is actually only one repeatable quest line in this release but it will take no time at all to add more now that a system for quests has been made. This release is really just to get some feed back on Dungeons and Quests, and of course to develop the half done Town management system which will also be done soon
Furthermore the bosses of the Amarti Mine Caverns doesn’t drop a Chest yet, if anyone has ideas for some items to be found in these chests, both Artifact standard and reasonable standard item ideas are wanted ^^ )

Consider this a sneak peek to say sorry for the disappearing archers thing ^^

Note: Domasi check for it in a bit, I just want to run one last test.


Edit: Should be up now

 

[Energizer]

@Sifonseal

Thanks for ignoring me. I'm out of this Thread.

 

[TomiTomo]

how does the amarti mine caverns looks like? boss characteristic ? need these detail to make suggestion for it's drops!

the mercenaries buildings havent done yet ? add this in description ! there is one building on snowy part near bran castle that sells vial too.

 

[kykeka]

you should make/add an interesting system in the future for the religions in this map, like allow players to choose sides with the pagans or church followers and give each side some benefits and make the wars with events (= so the fight is more interesting. Right now with just the few spawning spearmen swordsmen and archers there's no real interest in the religious war going on in the middle. Another though I had it would be nice if you added custom heroes for founders and bandits if they do certain events ( in other words make events that are very rare or hard to do that will give you a new hero) the normal bandits and founders are still fun to play as but it would add more variety to the map

lastly I have a single question, are you going to add any permanent stat potions to alchemy?

 

[Domasi]

Sorry for the delay. Anyway Sifonseal, you really need to work the dungeon, because I think it looks bad... If you don't have the time, I can make it much better. (I do it for some time and I'm a pretty good terrainer). Anyway if you agree you can send me the map.

 

[Lord_Firage]

Can you make it a bit harder to reach Town and so on?.. I mean.. why add small jobs like Fisherman, Farmer, Trade and Soldiers if everyone has a Town/City in no Time?.. I mean.. Noone would still be a Fisherman if he/she could rule a City..

I read that in the next version you'll need stone for buildings. I hope that will make it harder to reach the town/city.

Well Awesome map Keep Working Pleeeaaaase

 

[Domasi]

Actually I came up with a new ideea and I hope you like it. How about an underground network of undead (not a dungeon, but a bigger thing than that); undead which sometimes come out only at night and attack players. And of course in underground (which should be like one big dungeon) undeads keeps many treasures (items, gold etc.) stolen by them, which will determinate players to go and raid them. How about it?

Of course we will expand the ideea later if you like it.

 

[Sifonseal]

@Energizer
Wow I have no idea how I missed your comment, I've never seen it before just now, great suggestions, I’m not sure what happened.
Working on making an extensive tutorial right now ^^

@Lord Firage
Very good point, ill increase the cost of Town Tower greatly in next version

@Kykeka
Yes the decision of siding with the church or the pagans has been brought up several times, its is important that I add this soon, thx for the reminder.
Also perma stat items should appear in alchemy soon too.

@TomiTomo
Sadly the special merc buildings are still not added, but thx for bring the need for them up, someone needs to get on my case

Keep the feed back coming guys ^^






Glad to see no one has found any bug with the new features.

Also if someone could comment of the difficulty of the Amarti Mine Caverns, that would be nice.

Edit:
@Domasi
Thx for the terraining offer, I’m going to give it one more go, btw when testing the terrain for the caverns make sure you don’t use cheats and only enter them as you would normally be permitted to as it is the only way to get the full effect.
As for the underground network, like the idea, but undead would be swaying too far from the semi-mythical builder/rpg that is FOTN, why not a cult or bandits?
But to be honest I would rather leave this till guilds are added and make it part of the religious sect “guild” or the bandit guild. Like Domasi said this idea is open to suggestions, as is every other aspect of FOTN.
Lets not get too carried away though, that right I’m looking at you Pale King, crypt lord paladins … honestly

 

[Tleno]

-You know, there are quite a lot of way to combat your enemies, but what about sabotaging them?
-Like a potion or something that can be spilled on ground to attract rabbits? This can be used to ruin somebody's croops or to lure an animal!
-Or what about a lotion of some kind that would scare away all wolves and other animals from you?
-Forgot to tell, but in tooltips it still says fireplace can be upgraded to cauldron, not only street lanturn.
-To easier counter a founder with lots of towers, bandits should get some kind of unit that could disable buildings for a while. Of give this ability to one of already existing units!
-By the way, remember my magican or adventuress wives ideas? One of them mught be renamed to Gypssie or whatever. Or gypssie could be a completely new wife.
-bandits could smuggle some stolen or illegal goods into towns. You know, a new source of income. But for that they have to build a special building, which can be destroyed by other players for a reward. Actually putting a reward for something is an intresting idea. Like players can put rewards on other players and who kills them gets the cash (Useful if you don't want to send your own forces). Also NPC can make rewards for something. Like for awakened bosses or bandit players. And with time the reward could increase.

 

[Domasi]

@Sifonseal: Yes of course it doesn't matter what the creatures are there, I said undead because i've seen skeletons and banshees in there. Anyway the ideea is the underground world which we will discuss later on...

 

[Drake0]

Quests dont give anythink. . . Mayby add gold reward?
I think that last boss in mine should drop unique material that you can use to make special armor,sword,potion etc. . . (so you can chose what you want)
Bug:
*When you turn in quests, ALL bones/charms that you have in inventory disappear not just 4/2
*You can build and train units in dungeon

 

[The Pale King]

@Drake, the quests for the dungeon pretty much ends up as getting a key to go for the boss. (It might be neat for it to create an item to help fight the boss.)

@Sifonseal, well there goes my idea for the transvestite swordsman... ^^
one caveat however, the bird spirit wife seems a bit out of place in the alchemist town.
Could you add an item that destroys trees? so that I can clear off the spots that I make my castles. ^^

For the underground cave network I'd go with the cultists, seeing as their are allready the possibility of bandits. (The founder)

I've nearly finished working on the plague cloud ability (its like flame strike, but has a huge cooldown and lower damage, large aoe, even then its pretty powerful.)

-TPK

 

[Sifonseal]

@tleno
Love the sabotage idea, you were meant to be able to do that with the torch but it seemed it stopped working at some point, ill fix it in the next version
Thx for finding typo in fireplace
I was planning on adding a reward for bandit players based on how much they do, but I wasn’t sure how to go about implementing it, rest assured it will happen, just don’t know when, things keep piling up, but I’m loving it

@Drake0
Other quests will give you exp/gold/special item rewards, these first one are repeatable access quests that allow you to go deeper into the dungeons, other quests will need you to kill bosses and what not deeper in the dungeons, so you will need to get the key from this quest for those quests.
And yea oops, I forgot to kill building inside the dungeon area -_-‘ thx for that
The material from bosses rather than an item is an awesome idea, thx for that one it’s definitely going in.

@Pale King
Aww and I thought that was a great idea
Moving on, the Bird Spirit wife is actually meant to be there, its part of her story (Will come with courtship quests)
As for tree clearing, sadly I’m going to have to say it’s a no go, since there are too many annoying things you could do if you could destroy trees, like open paths to opponents bases, ruin the aesthetic forests (Oh no), but yea if you could tell me where trees make it too cramped ill see what I can do about moving them. (In the last few patches I’ve actually cleared more trees than you think because they restrict bases)

 

[Bl4ck L3g10n]

Pretty good map
I found only one mistake with the Defense ability tooltip (Stop Defense)

And is there a chance to stop the plague, werewolfs or vampires?????

I rate it 5/5

thanks for the help

 

[Drake0]

To stop Vampires you need to kill Count near Bran Castle.
To stop Werewolfs you need to kill main Werewolf near wolf wife(or runing around map).
To heal plague on your unit you need to make/byu potion(you can byu it on witch place)
Stoping whole plague is almost impossible.

 

[Sifonseal]

Well put Drake0

@Black Legion
Thx for finding typo, ill fix it in next release ^^


Edit: Still want to know if the Caverns are too easy/too hard, any contribution is good, Thx

 

[Tleno]

Seriously there should be some kind of way to stop plague and werewolves. Werewolves still are infecting others when their leader is killed.
Plague... it actually would be cool if the potion would head AoE. Because it ussually has no effect on a person that is close to other plague carrier person and gets infected again... or at least when you collect enough of those plague essences or whatever you could make some potion/device/ritual that would remove all the plagues from all the units.

Also it's a lol, Chickens can be infected by licanthropy! It was so crazy when all my chickens in garden turned into werewolves! And there also was my wife and all the pigs and sheep I just bought... that was crazy.
It's also kinda fun that werewolves can carry plague too... it's like a double calamity...

 

[Drake0]

I do not know the reason, but 50% of time, 1-3 people lost connection durning loading screen. And thats not problem of one host, but many. Mayby thats not game fault but it happen too often to consider it as coincident.

***Edit:***
*To make Bigger Potion Vial you need "Advanced Potion Making".
*You can sell Potion Vial for 1000 gold.... import of glass cost 100>120>140 etc. . . so for 6300 gold you can get 25000 gold.
*Somethink strange happen to wolfs last vers, every time when you hit main wolf he run away what is extremly annoying.
*Wolf can summon over 8 minions one night, fix cooldown(I attacked wolf that summoned minions and fled, when i killed all, I attacked him again and he summoned next minions. . . Pretty hard to kill 8 minions and wolf, on begining of game).

 

[Sifonseal]

@Tleno
Are you sure that you killed the head werewolf? Because once it dies it simply disables infection and kills all day/night turning, aside from the permanent werewolves caused when an animal is infected everything goes back to normal.
Often the case is that it got away using the “Sneak” ability, if this is not the case and you actually killed it and pick up the drop, got the boss kill massage etc, let me know.

And yea there is an AoE plague cure item, but it was fairly bugged so I haven’t released it yet, and yes it is made with plague essence ^^

@Drake0
Yea Greater potion vial was disabled because of a bug, like I said this release was sort of a sneak peak (Sorry about that), I fixed it and should work fine now.
lol thx for giving the glass to potion vial value in numbers like that made me realize just how screwed up it was -_-‘ Ill double the base cost of glass but also double the price increase each time glass is bought, this will still allow you to make profit from making vial but not an infinite amount of times ^^
Yea it was too easy to hunt down the head wolf before, so now it will retreat at 2000ish hp, this is to actually make the act of hunting to wolf interesting, and I’ve had a lot of fun in games before cornering the wolf (Still need lanterns), or luring it into a trap (Obviously using gates walls and lanterns), but even now it very easy to kill the head wolf if you know what your doing.
Hint: Easiest way is to get it to follow you into a small fenced area with lanterns around the edges and close the gate. (For those who don’t know lanterns reveal invisible units, and the head werewolf hides when in danger)
There is really no cooldown on the wolf summon, it’s purely based on their inspiration (mp), I suppose 8 wolves can be annoying at the start but they are supposed to be an obstacle in the earlier game where you avoid wolves at night unless hunting in a group, I don’t personally see an issue. (Oddly enough I was actually thinking to increase the atk stats on wolves because they were starting to seem like less of a threat, I guess not then)
As for the dcing issue, I’m not sure what that’s about, frankly I figured it was because of my hosting (Aus host mostly US players) that it dced 1-3 people when I host fh (Only ever happened with full house), if your US host and its happening, frankly I got no clue, but there is no such trigger that would act up and kick players.

As always thx for the contributions guys, lets keep this thing going and perfect FOTN, its as much yours as it is mine at this point ^^

If I didn’t respond to someone’s post, I’m not ignoring it, I simply over looked it, just bring up the issue or suggestion again plz ^^

 

[Tleno]

Wait, so infected animals still stay as they were before that? Oh that's a relief, Itough those werewolves are still able to infect...
Hey, I get the white fang's fang or whatever dropped when he dies.

 

[Drake0]

@Sifonseal
I wasnt speaking about Main Werewolf, i was speaking about normal wolfs, that summon pack wolfs. Every time when you hit one, he just run away. Yes, that fit deers and rabbits, but no wolfs with full hp.

 

[Sifonseal]

@Tleno
Yea it still drops whitefang’s white fang, in a previous post I left it open for people to come up with an item to be dropped by the great wolf, didn’t get too many suggestions and we went off topic, I guess this is a reminder then, the wolf needs a drop people!!

@Drake0
Yea I guess ill get them to stop running away at least, but this would mean that wolves would be less active hunting on their own, since that running and wandering causes them to move about and hunt etc…
If someone else would like to jump in with their thoughts on this that be great too.
Thx for speaking out about this though if you feel this way I’m sure others share the sentiment, I don’t want to leave any aspect of FOTN a disappointment ^^

Also on a side note; made lots of progress with next release, should be a good one that takes a lot of the actual work out of the simple tasks of the map, you will see what I mean, also obviously new content, wouldn’t want to disappoint ^^

 

[Tleno]

An item you say... hmmm... this needs some brainstorming!
*Brainstorming*
*Brainstorming complete!*
So here's my idea: Since when you defeat an awakened boss/calamity boss, it spawns some kind of trophy, an artifacts that it possesed or some part of body as trophy of dead enemy, like fang, so great werewolf should frop his arm/claw/whatever! Yes, a claw! You can us that Unded upgrade button as icon, the one with those ghoulish claws. They look and kinda like human hand, and like some creature's claw at the same time and Lycanthopers are mostly infected people and mutated animals, so it should fit.
About the non-graphical part... well it could have an ability to summon werewolf spirits, or probably allow you to strike an enemy units with it (But it costs inpiration!), making them bleed, lose hp and be debuffed... Yes, it could also have an ability to have some similar to poison attack that makes enemies bleed (No problem, just create a custom effect and it won't clash with poison) and loose health over time and be weakened someway...

Talking about all these trophies, in their description there is ussually only the background description, but no practical information what it actually does. Because of it and because these items are underpowered comapring to how much you had to do to kill the boss that carried it, I really doubt I would need them. I mean an item that requires to kill such a powerful creature must be really strong. And it should have a more practical info about it.

 

[Sifonseal]

@Tleno
Actually the artifacts are insanely strong (Well at least the swords are the new junk in the chests are truly crap in comparison) while they may not seem it they give an insane amount of special bonuses, I figured that not giving stats for the blades was more interesting but since its really messing with the rpg aspect I guess ill add details to all the artifacts for next release (Should be comparatively no works at all)
As for the werewolf drop, love the idea, needs no correction and no further discussion, its happening, thx ^^ Still if someone would like to alter the idea any further go ahead.

 

[darkmuch]

@Sifonseal
I dont like to go and kill my enemies/other players making them leave, yet i want to go and show them im the boss and subjugate them in some way. so my idea is that when we attack an enemy town and defeat it we get the option to raze the town or subjugate it turning it into a lvl 2 town(forget whats its called) that pays taxes or something, is forced allied to main player, and cant lvl up to a town tower again(depriving it of making any elite troops). this seems a more logical and profitable result of an expansionist empire that wants people to recognize and pay it conquering its neighbors into submission. im sure many players after a long and bitter war would want to go bandit anyway and deprive their defeater of money and the glory, so an option could be put in the town to allow the sabotage and turning to banditry of the peasant.

1. the vassal cannot declare war on liege and liege may declare war on vassal.
2. if vassal go bandit ALL their buildings self destruct (in case they build like 10 towers in lieges base before going bandit.)

the reason i dont believe this will change bandits role in game is players going bandit tend to be killed(by other players) and vengeful.

i mainly want this cause i have many noobs that dont participate in game and this will give them a role in my semi RPG style games

p.s. rename system would be useful