Forgive my rudeness... But It's a bit quiet.

[Lord_T]

I've been lurking around every now and again since my last departure, and I can't help but notice that activity here has been slowing down significantly. Is this the Hive, or is it just the Wc3 modding community as a whole finally petering out..?

PS: Hai all.

 

[GhostThruster]

Both.

 

[Xian]

Play some music or go to chat

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Welcome back fellow veteran. Maybe it's because many people after seeing the same thing repeat over and over again since your time, realized it's time to move to a newer game and since thw doesn't serve that well, you know, only die hard's left :>

 

[Tleno]

Yes, SC2 Mapster (a.k.a. Future Hiveworkshop) is slowly but steadily becoming dominant over hiveworkshop.
The only thing we could do to halt or revert this would be expanding our SC2 section, but everything is going real slowly here...

 

[Archian]

Expand: is the word.

 

[Rui]

Where have you noticed such trend? This is probably going to look like the politician that conceals the bad news, but I am tempted to disagree.
A few of our forums mark 100 people viewing at late Europe times, and the fact is that Ralle's been forced to improve the servers multiple times because now and then it becomes insufficient to handle so many requests. Maybe you are suggesting that the explanation is more guests but less active members? Or maybe you were looking for some old people and realized they had left? Since you joined in 2004 (woot, +REP).

 

[Tleno]

Well yes, the amount of veterans is slowly decreasing, but I wouldn't say that it is so critical...

 

[Devine]

Who needs veterans? All they do is complain about how it used to be.
I remember when there were no veterans at all. Now that was THW at its best.

 

[Direfury]

Why I remember back in the day, when...

 

[Traxamillion]

Who needs veterans? All they do is complain about how it used to be.
I remember when there were no veterans at all. Now that was THW at its best.

i c wut u did thar

 

[HappyCockroach]

Who needs veterans? All they do is complain about how it used to be.
I remember when there were no veterans at all. Now that was THW at its best.

lol

I see your post is a stand-alone joke thing with no actual purpose at all, but it might potentially generate hostility and/or shitstorm in this thread.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

THW is very active actually... there's no doubt in that... but for War3. Im fine with that as I see this is to remain war3 center as it has always been, just pointing out.

 

[Tleno]

THW is very active actually... there's no doubt in that... but for War3. Im fine with that as I see this is to remain war3 center as it has always been, just pointing out.

But if it stay only WC3 modding community, we'll definetly die out slowly! We need to expand our SC2 section to stay alive and get more and more new users.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

This is sure the best War3 place, so it's normal to be wanted to remain like that. I've been to wc3c where also skilled mapmakers but the activity there is very low, TheHelper are active but have just a single war3 and sc2 forum, nowhere is their base like here and they don't know much about sc2 editor.

By 'we' I suppose you mean 'you (Plural)', as I don't care, Im already there, where I need to get some sc2 help. This is Ralle's forum. Im just HF :>

 

[Rui]

I'm not sure what else we can do to get people to come here for SC2. The thing is, most skilled mappers and artists decided to settle on SC2Mapster first, there's really nothing we can do about that if they do not want to come here.

 

[Direfury]

If they're the best, all we need to do is get better.

 

[Linaze]

I still don't see why people want to see lots of Starcraft 2 modding going on here on the last active Warcraft 3 modding community.

 

[Aeroblyctos]

I still don't see why people want to see lots of Starcraft 2 modding going on here on the last active Warcraft 3 modding community.

Agreed.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Yes, SC2 Mapster (a.k.a. Future Hiveworkshop) is slowly but steadily becoming dominant over hiveworkshop.
The only thing we could do to halt or revert this would be expanding our SC2 section, but everything is going real slowly here...

Depends on what you're looking for really, if you want resources Sc2 is a fairly good site but the community is fairly dead as far as well everything else goes. Offtopic there gets very little attention compared to here and the chat is almost never more then a few people asking a few snippets about code or something.

From what I've seen and heard, the problem is that this is a very art based resource site - and to make art for sc2, you need tools, specefically blizz art tools if you don't want to do a ton of workarounds, and they've yet to release such tools, thus we have very little sc2 resources.

As far as maps go, well why would you want to release them here? Blizz set up their own system which better yet, you can make money off it (if you can deal with draconian thought police rules related to them and loss of all creative rights to your product), there's not much of a demand for that sort of hosting in sc2 as there was in wc3.


Though development in general seems slowing down, it seems other aspects of the site are pretty healthy, like art or offtopic. The community seems to be the main reason many people even still stick around here.

 

[Devine]

I'd rather see this place evolve into something that isn't related to blizzard, really.
Sc2 sounds like it sucks balls. Besides, I don't even game anymore.
Most of the active hivers don't play wc3 anymore, I'm pretty sure.
Let's face it. The core members all left because they grew too old for most games, including blizzard games.
We should drop the modding purpose of this site and by doing so we'll grow up.

 

[Xian]

I'd rather see this place evolve into something that isn't related to blizzard, really.
Sc2 sounds like it sucks balls. Besides, I don't even game anymore.
Most of the active hivers don't play wc3 anymore, I'm pretty sure.
Let's face it. The core members all left because they grew too old for most games, including blizzard games.

Yes..they do play because this is what the site is all about,if you make a map,then why not play it?
This site is about making a map (Im pretty sure)

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

THW is for war3 what sc2mapster is for sc2. It has a point this to remain war3 place and whoever wants to do sc2 things to go to SC2Mapster. And like WhereWolf says, offtopic in mapster has nothing interesting. That helps focus on mapmaking more and that's also what makes the place so good for sc2, as many people are engaged with the editor not just for offtopic bla bla threads. Either way, I've never seen so bad forum codes like there but people are heck of helpful and knowledgable when it comes to the editor and stuff. Sorry if it sounds like pulling sc2 related people away from THW but that's how it is, if you want to learn something, go there for offtopic stay here.

I'd rather see this place evolve into something that isn't related to blizzard, really.
Sc2 sounds like it sucks balls. Besides, I don't even game anymore.
Most of the active hivers don't play wc3 anymore, I'm pretty sure.
Let's face it. The core members all left because they grew too old for most games, including blizzard games.
We should drop the modding purpose of this site and by doing so we'll grow up.

Im in early 20s and since I do casual mapmaking or atm I am just experimenting and I'm not devoted to it much, playing Blizzard games I wouldn't say means not grown-up. Most who play SC2 are actually around that age as they are old schoolers either from BW or War3, so I feel fine with playing a Blizzard game. And as for mapmaking, also couldn't be called not grown up but it's less done by people our age. Melee all the way

 

[Devine]

Yes..they do play because this is what the site is all about,if you make a map,then why not play it?
This site is about making a map (Im pretty sure)

Thinking that you know this site's nature better than me is very arrogant.
This site was about little kids modding a game because it was fun and cool.
Now, years later, the same people come back to this site. Not to mod Warcraft 3, that's for sure. This site has been our home for many years, but now it doesn't have jackshit to offer to us anymore. Partially because new kids think they know it all better, by the way. This site should grow along with the interests of the users and I'm pretty sure it's not gaming or modding warcraft 3 anymore. It's much broader than that. It's art.

 

[Tleno]

Well if we'll begin expanding the SC2 section, we'll have larger chances of at least some of great modders or whatever to join us...

 

[Devine]

Im in early 20s and since I do casual mapmaking or atm I am just experimenting and I'm not devoted to it much, playing Blizzard games I wouldn't say means not grown-up. Most who play SC2 are actually around that age as they are old schoolers either from BW or War3, so I feel fine with playing a Blizzard game. And as for mapmaking, also couldn't be called not grown up but it's less done by people our age. Melee all the way

I'm not saying people of our age should play less (disregarding that I'm only 17).
Everyone is free to play whatever the hell he wants. Everything here still revolves around warcraft but maybe we could focus more on the artistic aspect of it all. Call me an oldfag, but I don't want things to change. Though, I'm a bit tired of warcraft modding itself and I'm not the only one.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Well if we'll begin expanding the SC2 section, we'll have larger chances of at least some of great modders or whatever to join us...

We've been trying, honestly what more can we do to expand into sc2 anyway? We have the resource set up, the dev forum set up, etc, etc. What haven't we done for sc2 yet?

It's not a matter of the site, it's a matter of the user-base - they just don't seem as interested in using the assets we have set up. Besides, as I said earlier you probably wont see many sc2 type resources until Blizz releases the art tools so modellers don't have to bend over backwards to make models for the game (models is essentially the main thing that keeps this site alive, at least for wc3 - people can quite often make their own spells and icons are okay if they're not quite perfect but very often you need a specific model or something just doesn't work right, I know when I modded wc3 a lot that was my main use for this site).

 

[Tleno]

We've been trying, honestly what more can we do to expand into sc2 anyway? We have the resource set up, the dev forum set up, etc, etc. What haven't we done for sc2 yet?

It's not a matter of the site, it's a matter of the user-base - they just don't seem as interested in using the assets we have set up. Besides, as I said earlier you probably wont see many sc2 type resources until Blizz releases the art tools so modellers don't have to bend over backwards to make models for the game (models is essentially the main thing that keeps this site alive, at least for wc3 - people can quite often make their own spells and icons are okay if they're not quite perfect but very often you need a specific model or something just doesn't work right, I know when I modded wc3 a lot that was my main use for this site).

Well, we don't have any SC2 contests. Seriously, it's about damn time for some sort of SC2 contest!

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

It is pretty odd we haven't had any sc2 contests, I know we were planning ones in the past but they never seemed to go anywhere.

 

[Rui]

The problem is lack of SC2 people coming here, so obviously a SC2 contest will lack contestants, therefore, a contest doesn't quite hold as a solution. Unless we advertise, perhaps, like someone suggested.

 

[Tleno]

The problem is lack of SC2 people coming here, so obviously a SC2 contest will lack contestants, therefore, a contest doesn't quite hold as a solution. Unless we advertise, perhaps, like someone suggested.

Exactly... man I should post a Hiveworkshop.com site advertisement on my map... should do this on a next update...

 

[Faction]

Honestly the name HIVE is a lot more starcraft related than WC, its very clear that SC2 is only a subsection of this site. Change the theme from night elf to zerg, make the default MAPS MODELS etc links SC2 related and have a "WC3 resources subsection". That's what would be required to attract SC2 players. But I've yet to see an SC2 map with a custom model and Blizzard has taken full control of map hosting so the traditional services this site provides are rendered obsolete. I've made successful maps for WC3, but the SC2 editor is a level of commitment I simply don't have anymore. I haven't outgrown video games at 21, but I've out grown learning a whole new editor when I need to focus on real life issues. I need a tutorial to make a custom unit for SC2, its just not worth it for me to learn. Even if I did go through the trouble the product of my hard work would be at the bottom of the popular map list, never to be enjoyed by anyone but myself.

 

[Adiktuz]

Well, The Hive started as a wc3 community so its not that hard to think why the default is still wc3...

 

[Rui]

The problem is that we have no Zerg theme. We've got a pretty dull Terran one. You're welcome to contribute to a Zerg forum skin, though.

 

[Crazed_seal2]

Its just tha Warcraft 3 is slowly dying. And so we have no new members except for the few people who some how make their way here. I only registered here to comment and rate a model and upload a skin or two which I made. But then I left for a year and came back. It can be a nice community but its slowly dying with Warcraft 3. The Problem with starcraft 2 is Battle.net 2. Full intergration with a game like that isn't a good thing. It makes people scared to create actual innovative maps. That World of Starcraft for example, when the project was seen, modders praised it. However blizzard did not until they grew half a brain (then lost it a few days later ofc). My suggestion to the Hive is either go to mod something else, yell at blizzard to add new features to warcraft 3 (mouse tracking, camera tracking, ect... maybe try 3D pathing). Yet, starcraft 2 itself is becoming a hollow community as I said before that battle net 2 made it bad.

 

[Rui]

I was looking for the post where Faction had wrote that because of the way Battle.Net 2.0 works, with stuff being directly downloaded, the mods story and all, the services provided by fan communities, like the one we provide for Warcraft III, are rendered obsolete. In my opinion, this is the problem. Like I have wrote in the past, I am, since the beginning of the Beta, clueless as to how to organize SC2-resource-related sections, because everything reverts to: BNet2.0 can do this, or BNet2.0 makes this useless.

 

[Bribe]

WarCraft III is pretty active here on the Hive, if you visit the right forums they are
just getting flooded with new users looking for advice, resources, etc. It is trouble
to make sure all posts are in the correct forums.

 

[-Peper-]

Thinking that you know this site's nature better than me is very arrogant.
This site was about little kids modding a game because it was fun and cool.
Now, years later, the same people come back to this site. Not to mod Warcraft 3, that's for sure. This site has been our home for many years, but now it doesn't have jackshit to offer to us anymore. Partially because new kids think they know it all better, by the way. This site should grow along with the interests of the users and I'm pretty sure it's not gaming or modding warcraft 3 anymore. It's much broader than that. It's art.

I used this site 20% for modding, 80% for social community. So not everyone here is a die-hard modder here. Some was just doing offtopic and RPs.
Hive should do more other than WC3 modding to ensure its longetivity. That way we'll get real members.

 

[Ralle]

I am spending less time working on the site and the wc3 modding community is decreasing in size.
I hope to improve the sc2 parts of the site so the majority of the community is here for sc2 modding.
I assure you that none of the wc3 parts will be removed however

 

[Tleno]

I am spending less time working on the site and the wc3 modding community is decreasing in size.
I hope to improve the sc2 parts of the site so the majority of the community is here for sc2 modding.
I assure you that none of the wc3 parts will be removed however

Yes, yes! Now that's what we really need... I just wonder, what Starcraft 2 community immprovements yu're planing to add next? We're gonna (finally) have a Starcraft 2 terraining contest soon. We have resources section... so what else?