Fel Orc Black Hand

Moderator · Feb 17, 2011

12:24, 17th Feb 2011
anarchianbedlam: Great looking model, it fits perfectly into wc3. lots of animations and it works fine ingame.
approved

ArneXis · Feb 17, 2011

Oh wow never though you'd release this one. Thanks.

Lich Prince · Feb 17, 2011

Wow man, wow.

PROXY · Feb 17, 2011

~~Meh, basically a simple geomerge. Looks good though.~~

Noticed the new animations and stuff. Great model

Though, it would be good if you could fix the wrap on the chest a bit, it looks horrible at the moment.

Super-Sheep · Feb 17, 2011

Fan said:
Meh, basically a simple geomerge. Looks good though.

I like it as simple as it is.

Dionesiist · Feb 17, 2011

Is she supposed to punch in the Attack -2 animation?

General Frank · Feb 17, 2011

Dionesiist said:
Is she supposed to punch in the Attack -2 animation?

Actually not, but I could not do it better.

rcshaggy · Feb 17, 2011

Really awesome for a Fel Orc race, and do you mind if I use it?

General Frank · Feb 17, 2011

Warlord Ajer'laroir said:
Really awesome for a Fel Orc race, and do you mind if I use it?

If you give proper credits I would be very happy if you would use it.

Whisper · Feb 17, 2011

damn this is awesome

but aren't the ears a bit too long?

General Frank · Feb 17, 2011

Whisper said:
damn this is awesome
but aren't the ears a bit too long?

I like long ears.

Weep · Feb 17, 2011

Very versatile, good-looking, and polished model. I might have to come up with a hero idea just so I can use it. :grin:

Wazzz · Feb 18, 2011

I see what you did there

Haha, awesome model, glad you released it ^^

darkdeathknight · Feb 18, 2011

Nice model.

YeCoWa · Feb 18, 2011

Nice model, female fel orc, even blizzi cnt do that.
But why you dont use demon hunter attack anims?

darkdeathknight · Feb 18, 2011

Then what anims would you suggest?

Wazzz · Feb 18, 2011

What? He just said Demon Hunter anims -.-

Which, btw, I disagree with personally, I think the current anims are well suited to the model and Demon Hunter anims are so over-used and lame.

darkdeathknight · Feb 18, 2011

I thought he said why would you use demon hunter anims.

Fjury · Feb 18, 2011

Brilliant!

-Grendel · Feb 18, 2011

excellent model, great mesh, great animations, and great particles. 5/5 +rep

Deolrin · Feb 18, 2011

This is a great model, General Frank! Using the Succubus head for a fel orc is a great idea, and it fits perfectly. Thrall's armor texture is perfect for all kinds of evil things, from assassins to fel warlords. One thing that bothers me is that she has horns, a feature not existent among orcs(nor fel orcs). If you could remove the horns, and replace them with something like a little circlet\crown, a hood or some kind of a helmet to cover up the ugly wrapping issues on the Succubuss' head(that become very visible once the horns are removed), this model would look a whole bunch more like a fel orc(and thus be more awesome), and besides, extra details are always good, aren't they? So why not?

I disagree with Fan about the 'simple geomerge' thing, simply because it's been edited so much it is hard to distinguish the base model here. After a while of looking at it I figured it was the Succubuss, but it took me quite a while, and I had to look at it closely in Magos. I think this model is very well made, and the edits are big enough for people to ignore the fact it is a 'geomerge' or MDL edit.
Besides, General Frank IS known as the master of MDL, so what's more fitting for a model by General Frank? I personally deem Frank's "geomerges" extremely high-quality and well made.

YeCoWa · Feb 18, 2011

darkdeathknight, ahh nevermind -_-
Wazzz, i think demoness anims also over-user and they more lame than demon hunter, but who care?
I post about anims, coz this:

Dionesiist said:
Is she supposed to punch in the Attack -2 animation?

General Frank said:
Actually not, but I could not do it better.

How about, ehm remove sword in right hand and give her some kind of brass knuckles(and its also so "orcish")?
Debode, ++++

Deolrin · Feb 18, 2011

YeCoWa has a good point, some kind of a fist weapon for her right hand would be great.

Maybe even a wrist-mounted dagger, like in Assassin's Creed.

General Frank · Feb 18, 2011

It's not based on the demoness model. It is based on the ranger model.

YeCoWa · Feb 18, 2011

Debode said:
YeCoWa has a good point, some kind of a fist weapon for her right hand would be great.
Maybe even a wrist-mounted dagger, like in Assassin's Creed.

Brass knuckles in right hand and dagger in left ore conversely will be not bad. :goblin_yeah:

Deolrin · Feb 18, 2011

Even better. And then Fan says it's "just a geomerge". My point have been proven, thank you, General Frank.

Archangel_Tidusx · Feb 18, 2011

Awesome model GF. Keep up the good work.

Orcnet · Feb 18, 2011

The Model is great! excellent work with the animations, and a perfect class to resemble a rogue or a warrior or something like that

which reminds me, can you define "Orc" for me? LOL! :alol:

+rep!

GUNNER · Feb 19, 2011

The demoness‘skin has been corvered in my map,may I use this model with another skin?

Bon_Jovi · Feb 20, 2011

WOAH! awesome model general. i always love your organic units. they fit so perfectly in wc3. Your tanks are nice, but i like your people units much better

infrenus · Feb 21, 2011

Wow, I always loved that model. Really, and you uploaded. A really good model that has the same style than any warcraft 3 unit and still is better than the average and creative. 5/5

Mr.Fuzz · Feb 27, 2011

Completely Awesome...

Doshininiah · Mar 9, 2011

I have to ask, because i am slightly a noob when it comes to models: How do you make the model use the secondary weapon, rather than the two swords?

General Frank · Mar 9, 2011

Doshininiah said:
I have to ask, because i am slightly a noob when it comes to models: How do you make the model use the secondary weapon, rather than the two swords?

You'll have to make it like they did with the Nighelf druids. Just look how blizzard made them morph in the editor.

oocyaa · Mar 9, 2011

nice job ..
as always

Neuntoter · Mar 23, 2011

Anybody have some opinions on what is the best sound for Unit Sound Set? I have been using Blademaster.

General Frank · Mar 23, 2011

It's a female. I prefer using the Succubus one for it.

Doshininiah · Mar 23, 2011

@General Frank: Thank you! But, i still don't know what that means. x.x

General Frank · Mar 23, 2011

Doshininiah said:
@General Frank: Thank you! But, i still don't know what that means. x.x

I gonna post a test map for you tomorrow. Deal?

Neuntoter · Mar 24, 2011

Here is a way to get both attacks working under a single unit.
You will need 2 clean items that can not be sold or dropped. One is for the Sword and the other the Bow.

Ninja (Melee) = A hero with attack 1 targeting ground, structure, debris, item, and ward. Attack 2 is a missile ranged attack targeting just air. It was created without any "Required Animation Names" set.

Ninja Map Initialize
- Events
  - Time - Elapsed game time is 0.10 seconds
- Conditions
- Actions
  - Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units in (Entire map)) and do (Actions)
    - Loop - Actions
      - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (Unit-type of (Picked unit)) Equal to Ninja (Melee)
        
        (((Picked unit) has an item of type Ninja Swords) Equal to False) and (((Picked unit) has an item of type Ninja Bow) Equal to False)
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Hero - Create Ninja Bow and give it to (Picked unit)
        
        Else - Actions

Ninja Creation
- Events
  - Unit - A unit enters (Entire map)
- Conditions
  - (Unit-type of (Entering unit)) Equal to Ninja (Melee)
  - (((Entering unit) has an item of type Ninja Swords) Equal to False) and (((Entering unit) has an item of type Ninja Bow) Equal to False)
- Actions
  - Hero - Create Ninja Bow and give it to (Entering unit)

Ninja Ranged Animation
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Is attacked
- Conditions
  - (Unit-type of (Attacking unit)) Equal to Ninja (Melee)
  - ((Attacked unit) is A flying unit) Equal to True
  - ((Attacking unit) has an item of type Ninja Bow) Equal to True
- Actions
  - Animation - Add the alternate animation tag to (Attacking unit)
  - Item - Remove (Item carried by (Attacking unit) of type Ninja Bow)
  - Hero - Create Ninja Swords and give it to (Attacking unit)

Ninja Melee Animation
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Is attacked
- Conditions
  - (Unit-type of (Attacking unit)) Equal to Ninja (Melee)
  - ((Attacked unit) is A flying unit) Equal to False
  - ((Attacking unit) has an item of type Ninja Swords) Equal to True
- Actions
  - Animation - Remove the alternate animation tag to (Attacking unit)
  - Item - Remove (Item carried by (Attacking unit) of type Ninja Swords)
  - Hero - Create Ninja Bow and give it to (Attacking unit)

Okay for this to work in the way I did it just create a dummy ability. I used Channel with target type Instant/No Target.
I added the dummy ability named Ninja - Switch Weapons to both of the items and set their actively used property to true.

Ninja Switch Ability
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Starts the effect of an ability
- Conditions
  - (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Ninja (Melee)
  - (Ability being cast) Equal to Ninja - Switch Weapons
- Actions
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - ((Triggering unit) has an item of type Ninja Bow) Equal to True
    - Then - Actions
      - Animation - Add the alternate animation tag to (Triggering unit)
      - Item - Remove (Item carried by (Triggering unit) of type Ninja Bow)
      - Hero - Create Ninja Swords and give it to (Triggering unit)
    - Else - Actions
      - Animation - Remove the alternate animation tag to (Triggering unit)
      - Item - Remove (Item carried by (Triggering unit) of type Ninja Swords)
      - Hero - Create Ninja Bow and give it to (Triggering unit)

- Avatar derived abilities force alternate animation tag so here is a fix for that

Ninja Avatar Fix
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Stops casting an ability
- Conditions
  - Or - Any (Conditions) are true
    - Conditions
      - (Ability being cast) Equal to Avatar
  - (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Ninja (Melee)
  - ((Triggering unit) has an item of type Ninja Bow) Equal to True
- Actions
  - Animation - Remove the alternate animation tag to (Triggering unit)

All of these should work but if someone more experienced sees an issue please offer corrections.

JFAMAP · May 21, 2011

Model added to JFA map

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/jfa-v5-5final-149707/

SanKakU · Jun 18, 2011

a few of the animations could be a bit better. nice work though. it's not common to try something like this. unfortunate that, since it's such a good idea. most of the animations are nice, so i hope someone can fix the poor ones. i guess we could just eliminate them, though, maybe.

Hive_Parasite · Jul 11, 2011

Can it change weapons?From dual swords to bow and arrows and vice-versa?

Deolrin · Jul 11, 2011

Why don't you just download the model and try?
HINT: Yes, it can.

GrandKaiser · Jan 26, 2012

Very cool model, nice animations and like others have said, it fits wc3 perfectly!
I can always tell when a model has been made by you, it has your distinctive style.

I give it 5/5. fits well into your collection

sonofjay · May 30, 2012

This is what i call a bad ass model!

Mr.Midian · Feb 18, 2017

10/10 because i might credit the whole Hive Workshop for having good Fel Orc/Demon Models.

Yoga WP · Jul 22, 2017

Hello, I appreciate your works !

General Frank · Jul 22, 2017

Yoga WP said:
Hello, I appreciate your works !

Domo arigato.

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