Echo Isles

[Moderator]

11:52, 4th May 2014
Orcnet: Map approved

 

[taavidude]

Some screenshots would be good.

 

[Streak]

Needs To Improve Description Use This Or THIS

3/5 For Now And For Doing Best Kudus To Your Map

 

[Wolffman]

Well, fixed the Description I guess, but I'm still working on some stuff in the map like the new hero instead of the Shadow Hunter/ or a better-made Shadow Hunter.

I'm also probably going to make an ability which allows the Potion Docs to ride on Bats and make Batriders (Like Hippogryphs and Archers with Night Elfs)

So, the next update may take a while, but it'll be worth it.
Also, I have a problem taking screenshots because of the Warcraft client (The screenshots are bugged) But I can get some images from the Worldedit.

 

[Sunreaver]

The Witch Doctor Hero spells button position is not placed properly the description and the icons too the same

 

[Wolffman]

The Witch Doctor Hero spells button position is not placed properly the description and the icons too the same

The Icon placement has me a bit confused. I've tried fixing it but still confusing , But I'll give it one more try and see, as for the descriptions could you elaborate the problem a tad bit?

 

[Kyrbi0]

Very interesting... So this is what you were asking me about, Wolffman.

Well, I'll admit, this is an interesting turn of events; for all these years, many people have done stuff for Trolls, but nearly no one has done what I have become the self-proclaimed master & advocate of; the Jungle Trolls. That being said, I look forward to perusing your race and seeing what you have come up with... Hopefully it's not too similar.

That being said, I would consider 'beefing up' your description a bit (Wazzz's custom races are a great example; perhaps he'd share his template), and also fleshing out your credits list; I see at least one (but I think there are more) model you have not credited the author of (and he's prominent, too). Crediting is supremely important; do the research to find out who gave you what.

Also, you may want to consider exactly how your race is constructed, based on the lore at present. The map name is "Darkspear" tribe, yet your faction shares elements with Murlocs (Bamboo buildings?) and Kalimdor (Boars?) and the Naga (Dragon Turtles?). Did you mean to construct a specifically "Darkspear Tribe"-type race (i.e. Jungle Trolls who fled with Vol'jin & Thrall, building a new home & civilization with the Orcish Horde in Kalimdor)? Or perhaps a more generic "Gurubashi Tribe" (or other name), "original Gurubashi descendent, Stranglethorn Vale-living Jungle Troll"? Important differences.

//EDIT//

Having looked through the map, I can say that it's a good start, but needs a lot of improvement. Basically, it's unfinished (the pseudo-Shadow Hunter only has 2 spells), and mostly just copy/pasted or slightly (sometimes not) modified versions of in-game spells. Things are missing buffs, abilities are out of place, buffs don't stack, the various resources appear to clash, with wildly different styles... Also, confusingly, you have imported whole models & skins without using them. They seem rather big, too; why have them if they aren't being used (talking about the fem-Troll hunter hero and the big Mojo Golem-thing, mainly).

Had some good stuff, though (it's not all bad); I liked the "dismounting batrider" making a fire-caster & a attack-bat (I've often considered it, but it just doesn't fit in my plans)... I was surprised and a little nonplussed to see you'd picked the 'Spider' soundset for the Giant Bat, but in-game it turned out to be pretty much PERFECT; excellent idea. The "fan of knives" thing for the Wildstalkers "spear barrage" is a great replacement for my "dart-mechs" attack... And nice usage of Stanakin's Jungle Troll pointer. I like.

Good luck.

 

[Wolffman]

Very interesting... So this is what you were asking me about, Wolffman.

Also, you may want to consider exactly how your race is constructed, based on the lore at present. The map name is "Darkspear" tribe, yet your faction shares elements with Murlocs (Bamboo buildings?) and Kalimdor (Boars?) and the Naga (Dragon Turtles?). Did you mean to construct a specifically "Darkspear Tribe"-type race (i.e. Jungle Trolls who fled with Vol'jin & Thrall, building a new home & civilization with the Orcish Horde in Kalimdor)? Or perhaps a more generic "Gurubashi Tribe" (or other name), "original Gurubashi descendent, Stranglethorn Vale-living Jungle Troll"? Important differences.

//EDIT//

Having looked through the map, I can say that it's a good start, but needs a lot of improvement. Basically, it's unfinished (the pseudo-Shadow Hunter only has 2 spells), and mostly just copy/pasted or slightly (sometimes not) modified versions of in-game spells. Things are missing buffs, abilities are out of place, buffs don't stack, the various resources appear to clash, with wildly different styles... Also, confusingly, you have imported whole models & skins without using them. They seem rather big, too; why have them if they aren't being used (talking about the fem-Troll hunter hero and the big Mojo Golem-thing, mainly).

Had some good stuff, though (it's not all bad); I liked the "dismounting batrider" making a fire-caster & a attack-bat (I've often considered it, but it just doesn't fit in my plans)... I was surprised and a little nonplussed to see you'd picked the 'Spider' soundset for the Giant Bat, but in-game it turned out to be pretty much PERFECT; excellent idea. The "fan of knives" thing for the Wildstalkers "spear barrage" is a great replacement for my "dart-mechs" attack... And nice usage of Stanakin's Jungle Troll pointer. I like.

Good luck.

Thanks, I really appreciate it. I had the Fem-Troll Huntress and the big golem for the alpha version where I planned a Voodoo-Siege Statue and a tier-1 Ranged unit...Ill delete them in the next update from the imported list so the map size is much smaller. This map is basically the Darkspear Tribe which is now located in Southern Durotar, where Boars are abundant. I couldn't find a Raptor rider model (the one which is in the model sections isn't really that good imho), so I thought, what the hell? Some trolls may have tried riding them? The Dragon-Turtle one was completely my last resort since they are also abundant near the Southern coast of Durotar (Turtles not Dragon-Turtles) and in that part of Kalimdor and also as there are no other giant beast that Darkspear Trolls ride..(I hoped someone would come up with a Troll on a chariot driven by multiple raptors, so that's a thought)

If you've played WoW, you'll notice that the Darkspear have buildings much similar to these, so I tried to implement that onto here.

The Shadow Hunter...Ohh the Shadow Hunter... One of my most trivial problems with this map is what should I do about it. I'm completely blank on what I should do with him, so I want some open advice, should I replace him or remake him? This little bugger is messing up my mind!

 

[Wolffman]

The Poll will rely on three things
A) Resources available for each of these maps
B) Votes of the community
C) Time Consumed
D) ^ ( I have exams, so I'll be inactive for the month of June, but I'll make a couple of maps before that)

 

[Yrk]

Hi Wolffman, I tested your map, I found a bug of AI Night Elf Race, It won't start building and Training units

 

[Wolffman]

Hi Wolffman, I tested your map, I found a bug of AI Night Elf Race, It won't start building and Training units

Actually, I tested this map with all three AI Races and for some reason, the player 2 has some problems and it doesnt build nor train units, it just makes it's workers go to a gold mine further from its base and killing their peons in the process and whatnots..

I suggest keeping the Player 2 Slot closed and choosing some other AIs in player 3 onwards

 

[Yrk]

Actually, I tested this map with all three AI Races and for some reason, the player 2 has some problems and it doesnt build nor train units, it just makes it's workers go to a gold mine further from its base and killing their peons in the process and whatnots..

I suggest keeping the Player 2 Slot closed and choosing some other AIs in player 3 onwards

Ok And Ohh By the way 4.5/5

 

[Monzaru]

how to get Wolffman in da game
Get a headshrinker mon, then pick da manipulate skill
cast on Wolffman then bring a tp, stay closer on him then use da tp
to da nearest stronghall you got der mon.
He haz too much hp, good for mass destruction!

 

[KimJong]

How about a Gnoll map or a Quillboar map?

 

[Wolffman]

How about a Gnoll map or a Quillboar map?

There's already a Gnoll Map, but I think a Quillboar map could be epic....I'll check around...
Also, I hate the fact that the Sand Trolls are getting so many votes, why is that? Is it because it's the first option?
If so people, Don't be lazy! Vote for the others!
( I'm only saying this because there are close to 0 resources for a Sand Troll map , I would've made one but, no resources = No map )

 

[KimJong]

There's already a Gnoll Map, but I think a Quillboar map could be epic....I'll check around...
Also, I hate the fact that the Sand Trolls are getting so many votes, why is that? Is it because it's the first option?
If so people, Don't be lazy! Vote for the others!
( I'm only saying this because there are close to 0 resources for a Sand Troll map , I would've made one but, no resources = No map )

Nope, actually there are no Sand troll map I think. And it will be the first one.

 

[Yrk]

Nope, actually there are no Sand troll map I think. And it will be the first one.

He's right :|

 

[Wolffman]

He's right :|

Nope, actually there are no Sand troll map I think. And it will be the first one.

See, the sad truth here is that the Sand Trolls have only two resources :-
1) Sand Troll Shaman by Traximillion
2) Sand Troll.blp by Hawkwing

And that's that...No more Sand Troll resources..Leading to the fact that it is most possibly not possible to make a Sand Troll map unless more Sand Troll resources, such as skins, models , etc. are released.
Yes, it would've been the first one , Yes it would've been cool but sadly, it isn't possible... My Condolences

 

[KimJong]

Try browsing around the internet.

 

[Kyrbi0]

You could reskin Ice Troll buildings & some Night Elf buildings to have Sand/Desert textures?...

But yeah, you're pretty stuck when it comes to them. :<

 

[Wolffman]

Darkspear Isles 2.0 Is out!
New things have been added to the map, so be sure to check it out

 

[Vinz]

Looks really promising, can't wait to get my hands on it. ♥

 

[Deleted member 238589]

Looks good.

 

[Rafal]

This race is far too imbalanced

Heroes: most abilities are just stolen (edited icon and description), some are imbalanced (example headshrinkers manipulate can steal a wyrm/dire troll at lvl 1 (far too imbalance) - explanation: you probably coppied this one of the dark rangers charm. all ultimates goes through magic immunity (<- just a notice). usual abilites (first 3 to choose) shouldnt be going through magic immunity (exception is the blademaster, dont ask me why)

Units: again most abilites are stolen icon changed, skins/models changed and effect changed nothing new.

Items: the ideas are great but there are too many which are too strong, you should consider setting mana wards as tech3 items and remove the rod of spirits, or keeping the rods of spirit and nerfing it a little bit. also i actually think the maximum gold cost of a item should be 400 (most expensive item is orb of lightning - 375g). also orb is not fitting into the trolls spirit, you should mb change it to give a chance to steal some life mb, u know trolls and voodoo .

afterall the idea is great and have potential - 3/5

P.S. theres still much to do

 

[Kyrbi0]

"Headshrinker" and "Voodoo Orbs", eh? Sounds awful familiar...

 

[Wolffman]

This race is far too imbalanced

Heroes: most abilities are just stolen (edited icon and description), some are imbalanced (example headshrinkers manipulate can steal a wyrm/dire troll at lvl 1 (far too imbalance) - explanation: you probably coppied this one of the dark rangers charm. all ultimates goes through magic immunity (<- just a notice). usual abilites (first 3 to choose) shouldnt be going through magic immunity (exception is the blademaster, dont ask me why)

Units: again most abilites are stolen icon changed, skins/models changed and effect changed nothing new.

Items: the ideas are great but there are too many which are too strong, you should consider setting mana wards as tech3 items and remove the rod of spirits, or keeping the rods of spirit and nerfing it a little bit. also i actually think the maximum gold cost of a item should be 400 (most expensive item is orb of lightning - 375g). also orb is not fitting into the trolls spirit, you should mb change it to give a chance to steal some life mb, u know trolls and voodoo .

afterall the idea is great and have potential - 3/5

P.S. theres still much to do

Ohhkay, thanks on spotting some critical issues, I'll fix them soon, The Orb of Hunt was an idea/request from a friend so I tried it out, guess it doesn't fit with the Troll theme after all, I'll possibly make it into a voodoo-themed orb.. I didn't work that much on mainly the Shadow Hunter hero for some reasons, I'll work on that aswell. As for the Magic Immunity thing, I'm not sure about that, because that's not supposed to happen because I they're based on the vanilla spells.
I don't think I'll be adding anymore major content to this map, mostly minor fixes and sorts. If you have any more things to say, I suggest you do so..

"Headshrinker" and "Voodoo Orbs", eh? Sounds awful familiar...

:3

 

[Dreadwing]

Here. there are Bear, Raptor, and Turtle Rider

There is a credits list file in zip folder, please read it.
Skins path is just remove war3import.