Diablo III Warcraft Beta v1.19b

[CloudWolf]

What do you mean by consuming 1 potion leads to consuming all of them?

CloudWolf, did you actually import the correct potion triggers? I did change them quite a bit.

As far as im aware, ive never imported or changed any potion triggers xD

However, thats not to say I havent done anythign accidentally

Its strange how these bugs seem to pop up xD A bit like ground stomp costing 70 mana when its clearly 7 in v1.17 lol

I swear the map is trying to unmake itself

 

[redmarine]

Sadly I don't have version 1.17 with the potion fix anymore. You're on your own to find it. Look in your harddrive or ask LTGH if he's got it.

 

[CloudMax]

I want to keep the buttons is the UI..
Move: that ability is a must, without that you cant move at all..
Stop: I use the stop hotkey if i want to stop my hero from running.
Hold position: Stops your hero from running away when you dont want him too.
Patroll: Remove that shit.

Finally, the techtree idea has been discussed before, however, we're quite tight for space right now, and in order to make a decent tech tree we're going to need some more imports which we just don't have room for :/

Wut? O.O I can easily make a techtree. And a background is not really needed... Functionality goes before layout. And the spells is a HUGE part of the game.

Sadly I don't have version 1.17 with the potion fix anymore. You're on your own to find it. Look in your harddrive or ask LTGH if he's got it.

I have three different 1.17... idk if anyone of them contains the bug fix. And i think that one of them is the regular version.

Its strange how these bugs seem to pop up xD A bit like ground stomp costing 70 mana when its clearly 7 in v1.17 lol
I swear the map is trying to unmake itself

Its a secret patch created by blizzard that you gets when you enter battle.net that auto-destorys all maps named "Diablo III Beta v....w3x" slowly so that the creator of the map wont notice until its to late. Or blizzard has just throwed a curse upon you. OR its WEU that is freaking out with the values

 

[CloudWolf]

I want to keep the buttons is the UI..
Move: that ability is a must, without that you cant move at all..
Stop: I use the stop hotkey if i want to stop my hero from running.
Hold position: Stops your hero from running away when you dont want him too.
Patroll: Remove that shit.


Wut? O.O I can easily make a techtree. And a background is not really needed... Functionality goes before layout. And the spells is a HUGE part of the game.


I have three different 1.17... idk if anyone of them contains the bug fix. And i think that one of them is the regular version.


Its a secret patch created by blizzard that you gets when you enter battle.net that auto-destorys all maps named "Diablo III Beta v....w3x" slowly so that the creator of the map wont notice until its to late. Or blizzard has just throwed a curse upon you. OR its WEU that is freaking out with the values

wow well, if we could get some sort of tech tree working that could be fun Mind you though, I want to get a stable / playable v1.18 before we add any more stuff to the to-do list Definately an idea for when we start on 1.19

I have an entire free day tomorrow so im gonna put that time into making all the new items for the inventory Man, its gonna be a long day lol

 

[Darkholme]

I want to keep the buttons is the UI..
Move: that ability is a must, without that you cant move at all..
Stop: I use the stop hotkey if i want to stop my hero from running.
Hold position: Stops your hero from running away when you dont want him too.
Patroll: Remove that shit.

Move: They don't need the button. They can right click. It's not that hard.
Stop: You could just as easily click Hold Position if you want them to stop, and then they dont automatically run off on their own attacking shit after the split second they stopped. Stop works fine in regular <acronym title="Warcraft 3"><acronym title="Warcraft 3"><acronym title="Warcraft 3">wc3</acronym></acronym></acronym>, but in diablo there are almost always some monsters you could easily autoattack.
Hold Position: We need this one.
Attack: This one too.
Patrol: Remove that shit. (lol)

That's 3 extra slots for buttons.

Wut? O.O I can easily make a techtree. And a background is not really needed... Functionality goes before layout. And the spells is a HUGE part of the game.

Awesome.

Hey. For Dying Penalties: Has anyone considered adding a Corpse System like in D2? So you'd lose some XP, A bunch of gold, and leave a corpse with your gear.

 

[CloudWolf]

hmm... about that potion bug I beleive its not really a bug at all

In the current build, there are still a lot of potions around that arent in the right format yet So whenever they get picked up, they go straight to the 4 slot inventory I just need to replace them all with the new potion item you made to go into the full-screen invetory

 

[CloudMax]

Move: They don't need the button. They can right click. It's not that hard.
Stop: You could just as easily click Hold Position if you want them to stop, and then they dont automatically run off on their own attacking shit after the split second they stopped. Stop works fine in regular <acronym title="Warcraft 3"><acronym title="Warcraft 3"><acronym title="Warcraft 3"><acronym title="Warcraft 3"><acronym title="Warcraft 3">wc3</acronym></acronym></acronym></acronym></acronym>, but in diablo there are almost always some monsters you could easily autoattack.

Move: Actually, without move, you cant right click, but i guess its possible to hide the button...
Stop: This is the ability units use when they have moved to the targeted possition, i think it would mess up without that ability, im not sure though. But if you can hide that button it would be perfect.

As for the techtree, that would just be fun to make. I will work on it when i have free time if we decide to have that. x)

Hey. For Dying Penalties: Has anyone considered adding a Corpse System like in D2? So you'd lose some XP, A bunch of gold, and leave a corpse with your gear.

That wouldent fit in with a map like this one. Since now your inside a dungeon all the time and having to run all the way to revive would just be annoying. But if there was citys and such things it would be nice.

 

[Super-Sheep]

"Hey. For Dying Penalties: Has anyone considered adding a Corpse System like in D2? So you'd lose some XP, A bunch of gold, and leave a corpse with your gear."

Kill allies and steal gear, pls.

 

[CloudMax]

Kill allies and steal gear, pls.

what the hell are you talking about?

 

[Super-Sheep]

Im talking about the dying system...

I know allies cant be attacked, but you could purposely block others and then they cant run and get killed by monsters.

 

[CloudMax]

Im talking about the dying system...

I know allies cant be attacked, but you could purposely block others and then they cant run and get killed by monsters.

Soo...? What is your point? Players die? so what? why would players try to kill each other?

 

[Super-Sheep]

Didnt you read the suggestion about dropping gear and gold? Other players could steal it.

 

[Asgard_Ragna]

Didnt you read the suggestion about dropping gear and gold? Other players could steal it.

That would suck, I don't want my items to be stolen, whats the point of that?

 

[CloudMax]

Didnt you read the suggestion about dropping gear and gold? Other players could steal it.

Did you ever play diablo 2? You didnt understand what he was talking about at all...... Before you make a spam post like that, you should atleast make sure that you know what he is talking about. In diablo 2 when you dies your cropse stay at the location you die at but you get back to town and you have to run back to your cropse to get your items back. And you dont drop your items, its just your cropse with the items on that is there. And other players can not pick that up.

That would suck, I don't want my items to be stolen, whats the point of that?

Your also wrong. He is talking about the system from diablo 2.

 

[Super-Sheep]

I havent played D2. How about to explain things a bit better. And its not spam, I didnt know that the system would be like that.

 

[CloudMax]

I havent played D2. How about to explain things a bit better. And its not spam, I didnt know that the system would be like that.

How about asking him why he want it to be like you thought it would be? Then he would tell you what he was meaning.
But insted you said "Kill allies and steal gear, pls." and that is actually counted as spam as it doesnt help us in any way at all and it is a completly useless post. He came up with an idea and i understod what he was asking for and that is enough for me.

 

[Asgard_Ragna]

Your also wrong. He is talking about the system from diablo 2.

I answered to sheeps post, I know how the diablo system works, played it often enough...and died enough,too. I indeed got smth wrong up there.^^^^

 

[Darkholme]

I actually think there should be a way to steal items & gold from people. Possibly a voting system. Kindof like vote-kick-drop. If some jackass if stealing all of the gear that they cannot use and is hoarding all the good stuff, or is stealing the gear on things that aren't his kill, there should be allowed a vote by everyone else to kick him, majority rules, and when he's kicked he should drop everything. Players doing this shit is why I stopped playing BNET. I suppose you could need/greed or some other situation but I also want the ability to vote to kick a player who'se a hug jackass.

But yeah, I was talking about the d2 system where you leave a corpse, and you have to go all the way back to the body to get your shit.

 

[CloudWolf]

Let me just clarify that this map is not an ORPG While its a form of RPG, there are a fair few differences which ive listed below:

The project is 100% dungeon/instance based, therefore, there will be no central town. This has been done to remove monotonous travelling between areas of the game. All quests you pick up will be obtained within the map.

Theres will be no gold in game Every item you aquire will be looted from enemies, or won in PvP maps.

The maximum level will be capped at 40. The only way to enhance your characters from then onwards is through collecting more powerfull items.

Respawns will need to be thought out very carefully. We dont want a player ending the game with less exp than when they started, so losing exp is out of the question. Losing gear is also a big no, as players may have gone through a lot of trouble to get the gear in the first place

The maps will be as random as possible. This will ensure that each map in the project is different each time you play it which will enhance their replay value. For example:

- Creep groups will randomly generate
- Item drops will be random (including boss loot)
- different bosses may spawn each game
- Alternative pathways randomly appear
- Different optional quests will appear each game

I hope this clears some stuff up for most of you I just wanted to ensure everyone realised that this map is not really an ORPG, it aims to be far more action packed, and attempts to remove all the pointless grinding, and replace creep killing with a real purpose.

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I actually think there should be a way to steal items & gold from people. Possibly a voting system. Kindof like vote-kick-drop. If some jackass if stealing all of the gear that they cannot use and is hoarding all the good stuff, or is stealing the gear on things that aren't his kill, there should be allowed a vote by everyone else to kick him, majority rules, and when he's kicked he should drop everything. Players doing this shit is why I stopped playing BNET. I suppose you could need/greed or some other situation but I also want the ability to vote to kick a player who'se a hug jackass

We will be adding a role system for all the more powerfull items in the game to help spread them around a bit

 

[Asgard_Ragna]

We will be adding a role system for all the more powerfull items in the game to help spread them around a bit

Maybe a system like in guild wars? Randomly reserving the items for a player so no other player can pick it up?

 

[CloudMax]

Maybe a system like in guild wars? Randomly reserving the items for a player so no other player can pick it up?

Im actually going to make a system that woulds like in World of Warcraft since that one is pretty much all we need. But you wont be able to choose Need if you cant use the item. But im stuck with the system im working >.<

 

[DoOs_101]

Im actually going to make a system that woulds like in World of Warcraft since that one is pretty much all we need. But you wont be able to choose Need if you cant use the item. But im stuck with the system im working >.<

I think that system is much better and fairer. Guild Wars doesn't have a good item system like WoW does. The only good thing about it is balanced gameplay and many skills implementation, which makes it so competitive.

 

[saphiree]

I think that system is much better and fairer. Guild Wars doesn't have a good item system like WoW does. The only good thing about it is balanced gameplay and many skills implementation, which makes it so competitive.

I dunno much about Guild Wars system, but i must say wows is smartly thought out. But i just hate ninja looters. And thats what i fear will come in this map too :/ Its just a little warning. Cus i guess ppl only play this with their friends anyway. I do, cus i like it best then. We're much better at team play then

 

[redmarine]

I dunno much about Guild Wars system, but i must say wows is smartly thought out. But i just hate ninja looters. And thats what i fear will come in this map too :/ Its just a little warning. Cus i guess ppl only play this with their friends anyway. I do, cus i like it best then. We're much better at team play then

We are going to do whatever we can to prevent ninjas as welll as cheating. But if a player does go rogue and ninjas he will be able to get the boot if players dislike his actions.

Although this won't actually stop ninjas from playing we're going to add hero specific class items. Even now it's still possible for ninjas to steal items. This just shows how hard it actually is to make the map ninja free if not impossible.

On a side note we're considering reducing the number of players to 5. Hopefully this will richen players' experience and cause a much more fun and intense gameplay. A bonus would be that we're going to add a total of 5 heroes and 5 players resulting in a more devorse gameplay experience.

I have to go to school now.

It's quite fun to write long posts on my net table(N810)

 

[DoOs_101]

Then add a system where you can -kick vote someone. Simple enough.

 

[The_Silent]

Then add a system where you can -kick vote someone. Simple enough.

No, they sucks. They are more often used to kick someone without justified reason.

 

[DoOs_101]

And please explain to me the rationalization of anyone doing that? It will be fairer for everyone. Aside from that, it is hard to kick someone because it requires everyone to vote yes. If one guy attempts to kick someone because of his/her personal reasons, it will be hard to convince everyone to agree ...

 

[Ranger21]

Maybe make kick command works only for host?

Well at least... all hosts must be not tard's ))

And they can decide properly...

People to kick: stealers,abusers, flooders, laggers who don't leave

 

[CloudWolf]

Maybe make kick command works only for host?

Well at least... all hosts must be not tard's ))

And they can decide properly...

People to kick: stealers,abusers, flooders, laggers who don't leave

naaah, a vote kick would kinda ruin the game :S While most hosts won't abuse it, theres always going to be a few that will

The fact that theres going to be a save/load makes a kick command rather unfair. A player may spend an hour advancing in the game, only to waste that effort by being kicked.

It's going to be up to us to create some kind of system that will distribute the items evenly. We'll think of something, you can be sure of that

 

[saphiree]

I think you shouldnt make a kick system yes. Just making the loot system as fair as possible is the best bet i think.

 

[Darkholme]

I made a Difficulty System Yesterday. It scales XP and Enemy HP according to the number of playrs in the map. It seems to use better numbers, and gives more reasonable experience. I also added a system like diablo II's "/players X" where you can raise the difficulty (and experiance to match) if you so choose. You can't however, set the difficulty less than the number of players.

Now for Issues I found.

-Barbarian
By equipping +Int Gear, the Barbarian's Mana Pool can easily be Septupled. It also gains an auto recharge.
This would be less of an issue if the Barbarian's Mana pool was set of a number scale equivalent to the other player's mana pools. The Change would also make mana potions and Mana Spheres less potent for the barbarian. Give a bigger pool, and up the mana costs.
Mana Auto Recharge could be fixed if you remove the auto recharge from int. But you'd also have to make recharge systems via script for each hero type. The Sorcerer would have an auto recharge, the Barbarian would have an Auto Drain in addition to the rage system, etc. it would be an all around improvement.

-Repick would be niceif it worked, even if only for testing purposes.

-I'm in favor of the EXP Penalty, but at least making the player walk through a bunch of dungeon to reclaim their corpse would be an improvemnt over "You have X Lives". Maybe it would be worth it if more monsters would randomly show up in the areas you've already cleared.

- I wasn't thinking that the creature spawns would be random, just that the quantities would be random, I like the idea but it would be a different system to design. Good thing I havent gotten to it yet.

 

[CloudWolf]

I made a Difficulty System Yesterday. It scales XP and Enemy HP according to the number of playrs in the map. It seems to use better numbers, and gives more reasonable experience. I also added a system like diablo II's "/players X" where you can raise the difficulty (and experiance to match) if you so choose. You can't however, set the difficulty less than the number of players.

Now for Issues I found.

-Barbarian
By equipping +Int Gear, the Barbarian's Mana Pool can easily be Septupled. It also gains an auto recharge.
This would be less of an issue if the Barbarian's Mana pool was set of a number scale equivalent to the other player's mana pools. The Change would also make mana potions and Mana Spheres less potent for the barbarian. Give a bigger pool, and up the mana costs.
Mana Auto Recharge could be fixed if you remove the auto recharge from int. But you'd also have to make recharge systems via script for each hero type. The Sorcerer would have an auto recharge, the Barbarian would have an Auto Drain in addition to the rage system, etc. it would be an all around improvement.

-Repick would be niceif it worked, even if only for testing purposes.

-I'm in favor of the EXP Penalty, but at least making the player walk through a bunch of dungeon to reclaim their corpse would be an improvemnt over "You have X Lives". Maybe it would be worth it if more monsters would randomly show up in the areas you've already cleared.

- I wasn't thinking that the creature spawns would be random, just that the quantities would be random, I like the idea but it would be a different system to design. Good thing I havent gotten to it yet.

aaah ok Well, I can make the random creep groups appear at a later date just carry on with whatever you were planning to do

Thanks for the help by the way If you want to help us in the future, ide be happy to add you to the official D3W Project team

 

[CloudMax]

Yey, we got a new member in the crew =D
Darkholme, whats your MSN? O.O (if you have msn ofc)

 

[Darkholme]

my msn is sylraedimanna at gmail.com. I dont use the email anymore so dont send mail there. You'd have a better chance catching me on skype or gtalk though.

And as for further contributions, that's the plan.

I'd also like to reskin your heroes too at some point. The current skins are good, but I can think of a few things I could improve.

Once I get the Spawning system more set up, I'd like to make the difficulty handicap apply only to bosses, and make the creeps just spawn different types and numbers. Or maybe just spawn a different version of the boss altogether, with capabilities more fit to match the number of players.

 

[GLB]

I am always astonished about the wc3 editor. look at this map. it's great!
And i am amazed to see that you triggered mostly in GUI. One more, excelent GUI triggered Map! Keep on working

 

[Darkholme]

He Brings up a point we're using mostly gui, myself included. Should we be switching to vjass? I imagine it would perform better...

 

[GLB]

He Brings up a point we're using mostly gui, myself included. Should we be switching to vjass? I imagine it would perform better...

No, you shouldn't do so... GUI is quite efficient even if JASS is better for performance, etc. but GUI suffices.

 

[CloudMax]

No, you shouldn't do so... GUI is quite efficient even if JASS is better for performance, etc. but GUI suffices.

what? GUI isnt better in any ways.
I just use GUI becouse i dont know Jass ;S

 

[CloudWolf]

my msn is sylraedimanna at gmail.com. I dont use the email anymore so dont send mail there. You'd have a better chance catching me on skype or gtalk though.

And as for further contributions, that's the plan.

I'd also like to reskin your heroes too at some point. The current skins are good, but I can think of a few things I could improve.

Once I get the Spawning system more set up, I'd like to make the difficulty handicap apply only to bosses, and make the creeps just spawn different types and numbers. Or maybe just spawn a different version of the boss altogether, with capabilities more fit to match the number of players.

Sounds good to me I'll PM you with details about joining the team

and yea! We could easily make 6 versions of each boss if you reckon thats the best way to do it

 

[CloudMax]

First of all we should try to make better triggered bosses
More spell cast, more variation, more realistic (not a robot boss that use hes "Zomg-da-whooopp when having 1% health left) & ofc more nice effects xD
The best boss so far is skeleton king but he can be much much better ;P

 

[redmarine]

No, you shouldn't do so... GUI is quite efficient even if JASS is better for performance, etc. but GUI suffices.

LTGH only used GUI because he didn't know how to use Jass. I didn't use v/Jass because I wasn't comfortable and skilled enough but lately we've been kinda using it all around. Perhaps we might consider shifting to v/Jass soon.

We're getting lots of practice.

 

[CloudMax]

LTGH only used GUI because he didn't know how to use Jass. I didn't use v/Jass because I wasn't comfortable and skilled enough but lately we've been kinda using it all around. Perhaps we might consider shifting to v/Jass soon.

We're getting lots of practice.

The past days i have tried to learn vJass but im still just a big question mark.
But i will keep trying until i success!

 

[GLB]

what? GUI isnt better in any ways.
I just use GUI becouse i dont know Jass ;S

wtf? i never said GUI is better than Jass! Everybody knows that Jass is more performant etc... but GUI SUFFICES! And i don't care about why you are using Jass or GUI or what ever... ^^

Anyway, it's a nice map! Keep on working pls!

 

[YumItsTasty]

Love the map ! keep it up

 

[redmarine]

wtf? i never said GUI is better than Jass! Everybody knows that Jass is more performant etc... but GUI SUFFICES! And i don't care about why you are using Jass or GUI or what ever... ^^

Anyway, it's a nice map! Keep on working pls!

Nice to clear up that misunderstanding. It's true that GUI suffices to the masses as it it easier to understand for people without programming knowledge. People with programming knowledge and who are programming hardcore can get confused when doing graphical coding as it isn't targeted nor made for them. That's why we have Jass.

Making raw codes gives you a lot of advantages if the coding editor has enough critical features like find, replace, syntax highlighter, etc. If these features didn't exist I wouldn't dare to make a shift. Luckily these features are in JassNewGen.

 

[Darkholme]

I do programming all the time. But Its been a while since i used jass and i havent used it as much a java or c, so ive been using gui.

 

[Doron]

I have a question about the map. I know it isn't your top concern, but I am trying to make a mod for this, and every time I save the map, I get a lot of errors concerning JASS, therefor not allowing me to test the stuff.

First, I tried deleting all of the things that were causing the errors to pop up. It worked, but I had to resort to the older camera you guys had because one of the errors causing it was the camera, which was made it JASS.

So, I tried downloading jassnewgenpack5c and saving / opening the map from there to see if it would fix the problem. Nope, didn't help. (even though, the jass newgen pack is sweet, glad I found it even though it didn't help me at this point actually).

I don't know if this is fixed yet or not in the next version, but it would be great. The mod is called Median XL (some of you may know of it if you've played Median XL Diablo2. All I did was expand the map for another area that you would go to after Tyrael, and create a couple of triggers for game modes such as, modifying the difficulty, making more orbs drop, adding a couple more lives, etc.

And the bug still happens even when I try to save the normal 1.17 map. I don't know if it's the way you protect your map from being edited or not, but if it isn't it'd be great if y'all could fix it!

 

[redmarine]

And the bug still happens even when I try to save the normal 1.17 map. I don't know if it's the way you protect your map from being edited or not, but if it isn't it'd be great if y'all could fix it!

One question: Are you able to save without any changes on the map using JassNewGen default?

 

[CloudWolf]

I have a question about the map. I know it isn't your top concern, but I am trying to make a mod for this, and every time I save the map, I get a lot of errors concerning JASS, therefor not allowing me to test the stuff.

First, I tried deleting all of the things that were causing the errors to pop up. It worked, but I had to resort to the older camera you guys had because one of the errors causing it was the camera, which was made it JASS.

So, I tried downloading jassnewgenpack5c and saving / opening the map from there to see if it would fix the problem. Nope, didn't help. (even though, the jass newgen pack is sweet, glad I found it even though it didn't help me at this point actually).

I don't know if this is fixed yet or not in the next version, but it would be great. The mod is called Median XL (some of you may know of it if you've played Median XL Diablo2. All I did was expand the map for another area that you would go to after Tyrael, and create a couple of triggers for game modes such as, modifying the difficulty, making more orbs drop, adding a couple more lives, etc.

And the bug still happens even when I try to save the normal 1.17 map. I don't know if it's the way you protect your map from being edited or not, but if it isn't it'd be great if y'all could fix it!

hmmm.... as far as I'm aware theres absolutely no protection on the map It's been made to be 100% open-source I've never encountered any bugs when editting the map like that so im not really sure whats going on :S

Which triggers were causing the problem just out of interest?

Ive been making it using JassNewGen v 0.9.E.0, just in case your using an older version perhaps

 

[Darkholme]

Well you have to use JassNewGen to make it work, or maybe WEU. Is it possible that all the changes you made in the regular WE broke it and youre trying to use the broken copy with JNGP?

I'm moving things from my external HD to DVD & Deleting stuff, the clear space, to backup the stuff I want to keep on my laptop, before I format the whole damn thing. Tomorrow I'll probably start something similar with my Desktop, (which is the one where wc3 wont run.)

This will take time. -_-