Diablo III Warcraft Beta v1.19b

[redmarine]

When you say pause, is it then completely or can he still loose life himself?

He is able to take damage but is not able to do anything e.g. fighting, move etc.

LTGH, I only want 3 ress at the beginning and then you could send to another player or pickup more if you want.

 

[saphiree]

I meant that you should make it so you can only have 3 ankhs as max. Then no one gets overpowered. Thats all

 

[redmarine]

I meant that you should make it so you can only have 3 ankhs as max. Then no one gets overpowered. Thats all

Hm... That's actually a pretty good idea. I'll try to do that.

 

[CloudWolf]

Guys, I need to know this. Should I pause the unit when switching on the inventory? In Diablo III the hero doesn't auto attack anyway and fleeing and pausing the hero might be useful in certain combat situations like boss fighting.

Now theres a dilema xD We need to pause the hero so they cant move into battle when the inventory is up, but at the same time, we dont want them pausing in the middle of bossfights xD

I suppose we could always disable the inventory during boss fights. Or just disable the movement trigger

Eg. Make a boolean variable we can turn on and off then:

If Variable = true, pause hero
If variable = false, do nothing

or something like that MEans we can disable the "pause hero" feature if we need to

 

[CloudMax]

LTGH, I only want 3 ress at the beginning and then you could send to another player or pickup more if you want

Thats exactly what im saying. ;O And by "send" people can just drop an ankh and let another player pick it up

Now theres a dilema xD We need to pause the hero so they cant move into battle when the inventory is up, but at the same time, we dont want them pausing in the middle of bossfights xD

I suppose we could always disable the inventory during boss fights. Or just disable the movement trigger

Eg. Make a boolean variable we can turn on and off then:

If Variable = true, pause hero
If variable = false, do nothing

or something like that MEans we can disable the "pasue hero" feature if we need to

I actually think that people is smart enough to not enter the inventory when they are in a boss battle but you can never be sure...

 

[redmarine]

Thats exactly what im saying. ;O And by "send" people can just drop an ankh and let another player pick it up


I actually think that people is smart enough to not enter the inventory when they are in a boss battle but you can never be sure...

Well, CloudWolf is using the trade option.

Now theres a dilema xD We need to pause the hero so they cant move into battle when the inventory is up, but at the same time, we dont want them pausing in the middle of bossfights xD

I suppose we could always disable the inventory during boss fights. Or just disable the movement trigger

Eg. Make a boolean variable we can turn on and off then:

If Variable = true, pause hero
If variable = false, do nothing

or something like that MEans we can disable the "pause hero" feature if we need to

Sure. I'll test how this works out.

Btw, the max 3 ankhs is implemented.

 

[CloudWolf]

Tell you what, we can keep the equipable revives that you gius have in the inventory. But if we do, we're gonna need to make them non-saveable to stop people massing them xD

 

[redmarine]

Tell you what, we can keep the equipable revives that you gius have in the inventory. But if we do, we're gonna need to make them non-saveable to stop people massing them xD

Screw this lol... I just deleted all those functions.

Meh, back to the drawing board.

The pause hero function has been implemented. It's turned on 'true' as default. Just turn it false if you want it off.

 

[CloudWolf]

lol, if theyre gone, thats also fine I dont really mind what we do with the revives, so long as its simple xD

 

[redmarine]

Tell you what, we can keep the equipable revives that you gius have in the inventory. But if we do, we're gonna need to make them non-saveable to stop people massing them xD

Could I please wait to implement it at least until version 1.18 has been released?

Edit:

lol, if theyre gone, thats also fine I dont really mind what we do with the revives, so long as its simple xD

They are simple. That's the whole point of my optimization.

 

[CloudWolf]

Could I please wait to implement it at least until version 1.18 has been released?

Edit:



They are simple. That's the whole point of my optimization.

Yea no worries We can always play around with the revive system after 1.18 Do whatevers easiest for you for now

 

[redmarine]

CloudWolf, I'm not sure if you've already fixed this but one of Barbarian's spells require way too much mana. About 70 I think.

Fix it.

 

[Super-Sheep]

Its Whirlwind. Its imba anyway, so?

 

[CloudWolf]

CloudWolf, I'm not sure if you've already fixed this but one of Barbarian's spells require way too much mana. About 70 I think.

Fix it.

Yea :S I saw that in the version you have xD No idea how it happened, because the bug doesnt exist in 1.17 lol

I'll correct it for the final release though

 

[siaskier]

I seriously love this map because i love diablo 3 too.
I played it and i was like, wth? omg, it's like the real diablo i have been playing for years.

It looks like the trailer completely.

5/5 for you.
Hope there's more update and more maps.

 

[saphiree]

hmm guys. Why dint you just make it so when you make a new hero he has 3 ankhs. Then people might get lucky to pick up ankhs up. But always make sure that the max number of ankhs a player can have is 3. So when they save they have 0-3 ankhs.

When someone enter a boss fight you could just write a warning with red text or something, which says "WARNING: Dont open inventory during boss fight, theres a great chance you'll die." Or something shorter maybe XD

 

[CloudMax]

Its Whirlwind. Its imba anyway, so?

We are talking about a version that isnt released yet so you dont have any idea of how imba it is that it requires 70 mana.... Barbarian can only have 10 mana...

hmm guys. Why dint you just make it so when you make a new hero he has 3 ankhs. Then people might get lucky to pick up ankhs up. But always make sure that the max number of ankhs a player can have is 3. So when they save they have 0-3 ankhs.

People will always start with 3 ankhs and they can get more ankhs during the game (i think) but when they start a new game they wont have the amount of ankhs saved. Thats our solution i think...

 

[redmarine]

We are talking about a version that isnt released yet so you dont have any idea of how imba it is that it requires 70 mana.... Barbarian can only have 10 mana...


People will always start with 3 ankhs and they can get more ankhs during the game (i think) but when they start a new game they wont have the amount of ankhs saved. Thats our solution i think...

Hm... I've set the max ankhs to 3 at the moment. If the hero picks up an ankh even if he has 3 ankhs they'll drop. If a player sends him ankhs they'll drop.

 

[CloudMax]

Thats fine with me. I just want the freaking iventory to get added ingame as fast as possible, lol x)
CW, Have you figured out how to make item multiboards? If so, have you done any progress?

 

[CloudWolf]

Yea I think ive got the hang of it

Its all in the trigger "Set Item Variables" im guessing I just need to copy and paste a template, and fill it in, making sure I correct all the variables to the right item class, and make sure none of the array numbers clash

 

[Mialee]

It's really nice but you should put a system to adjust difficult with more players... It's REALLY easy alone but with 3/4 people it's kinda impossible...
But anyway... REALLY nice terrain
+rep

 

[CloudWolf]

YEa, we've had that problem for a while and its hard to balance xD however, I just thougt of something

What if we just decrease the EXP rate if there are less players? Would stop people from becoming too imba by 2 manning it

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Also, another idea I had was to make 6 individual loot rooms, where all players will be taken to after finishing a boss? That way we can stop players nabbing all the items before others get a chance We could even make the rewards class specific, so different items spawn in the loot room depending on your class

 

[redmarine]

YEa, we've had that problem for a while and its hard to balance xD however, I just thougt of something

What if we just decrease the EXP rate if there are less players? Would stop people from becoming too imba by 2 manning it

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Also, another idea I had was to make 6 individual loot rooms, where all players will be taken to after finishing a boss? That way we can stop players nabbing all the items before others get a chance We could even make the rewards class specific, so different items spawn in the loot room depending on your class

I really hope this won't mean I have to make changes for the inventory lol.

 

[CloudMax]

Better making units stronger/weaker and increase/decrease drop rate when its more/less players. If you only change exp rate the items will remain the same and that will cause imbalance when you have them. Better use the classic system we have but edit it to make it fit in better with the amount of players.

 

[saphiree]

Also, another idea I had was to make 6 individual loot rooms, where all players will be taken to after finishing a boss? That way we can stop players nabbing all the items before others get a chance We could even make the rewards class specific, so different items spawn in the loot room depending on your class

I like that I hate ninja looters, so that would be awesome

 

[CloudMax]

And when the inventory system is in the map we dont even need to add a loot room, we can just make it appear in the bag? x) Its nearly impossible to fill the bag.

 

[saphiree]

awesome ^^ Remember to make more different pots in the game plz. It would make it more Diablo-ish Although in the new one theres healing globes i know. But pots would still be good

 

[CloudMax]

They said that they will try to remove the need of pots almost entierly.
So we have enough of them if you ask me, really. You dont need it. People complain about that it is to easy, post would make it easier

 

[Zacharias]

I´ve played this map yesterday once, so i decided to make some notes:
+ great map design, rly awesome
+ models: great! especially skeleton models
o abilities: not bad, but waiting for more unique, triggered abilities; how about envolving the skills with every step, like in the techtree of diablo?
o cam: i liked how it works, following the hero, but i disliked the angle, dunno, maybe increase the angle from ground to cam, flatten it (imho)
- doodad loading: well as i ran trough the dungeon, some doodads suddenly appeared instead of floating in, dunno if this can be changed
- item ninjas
- too short (well i hope this will increase over time )
- warlock pets too small (clicking on them is rly hard)


Overall a great implementation, i really liked to play this. But replay value is (imho) low, until further material is released in the map.
4/5
(i didn´t vote, as it is a beta and i hope you keep working on it =) )

 

[Xezko]

I dont know is CW read my post after, but, about the mongrols:
You Should need to add an AI to theys. Like the Necromancer's Squeletons in D2.
I think is very simple to do, an simple attack-move order to his to the position of the Witch doctor every 0.25 seconds of game.
or something ;D

 

[saphiree]

- warlock pets too small (clicking on them is rly hard)

Well let me tell ya. You can just draw a box (if you know what i mean) around them and form a control group. Then use attack move if you already dont, then they attack the closetst target, and attack move is much more easy.
Actually the only thing you would want to select one for is the Dispatch spell. But you can still use it on them when they're in a control group.

Btw its called Witch Doctor not Warlock....

 

[Zacharias]

Actually the only thing you would want to select one for is the Dispatch spell. But you can still use it on them when they're in a control group.

The only thing, the only thing thats really nasty man... i wont build a ctrl group for decaying units, was just a suggestion.

 

[saphiree]

i dont understand. What you mean? That you dont want to make control groups?

 

[CloudMax]

i dont understand. What you mean? That you dont want to make control groups?

He dont want to make control groups becouse he have to make a new one every time he summons them. And it would be better to make them control them selves. I think there is guides to make good functional AI's and it shouldent be so hard to make units that follows the hero and attack something that walks to near it.

 

[saphiree]

oooh. Like that. Ive played several diablo maps where the necromancer skeletons move by themselves

 

[RaiN.]

Independant Summons 1.8 by Vexorian

There you go

 

[Myth_Zero]

heh, ive tried, and i honestly cant get my head around them xD this map is open-source, so once the final version is released, feel free to make a mod

wow where did u get tyrael model u get this on diablo 2 mpq and u just convert to 3D?

 

[CloudMax]

wow where did u get tyrael model u get this on diablo 2 mpq and u just convert to 3D?

It is a custom model created by expresso here on hiveworkshop, it is not related to the diablo 2 files at all of what i know, its an entirely different model.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/f276/expressos-tyrael-model-43844/#post382965

 

[GooS]

It's really nice but you should put a system to adjust difficult with more players... It's REALLY easy alone but with 3/4 people it's kinda impossible...

Which hero? I've played solo with all three, and I don't see the "REALLY easy" part with any of them.

Barbarian: In combat he slaughters but if he has no Health nor Fury after combat there's not much one can do without a healer.

Wizard: As long as the mana is upp she can kill about anything but if you go out of mana she easily gets overwhelmed.

Witch Doctor: Easily the best class for solo play, he can heal himself, never goes oom because of Mana Drain and he does some good damage and has minions that can tank for him. But he requires the most attention while playing.

With wizard and Barbarian I've made it as far as to Cain before being overwhelmed, with Witch Doctor I took down Skeleton King and then some.

Now for the question, how do you play since I have a hard time doing this and yet you seem to easily finish the game with all classes solo mode. I think of myself as an average wc3 player.

 

[CloudMax]

Which hero? I've played solo with all three, and I don't see the "REALLY easy" part with any of them.

Barbarian: In combat he slaughters but if he has no Health nor Fury after combat there's not much one can do without a healer.

Wizard: As long as the mana is upp she can kill about anything but if you go out of mana she easily gets overwhelmed.

Witch Doctor: Easily the best class for solo play, he can heal himself, never goes oom because of Mana Drain and he does some good damage and has minions that can tank for him. But he requires the most attention while playing.

With wizard and Barbarian I've made it as far as to Cain before being overwhelmed, with Witch Doctor I took down Skeleton King and then some.

Now for the question, how do you play since I have a hard time doing this and yet you seem to easily finish the game with all classes solo mode. I think of myself as an average wc3 player.

So far i havent seen a single guy here expect him that says that they have soloed the entire map. I mean, people say "me and my friend got to tyrael before we died" and they were two and couldent make it. So i do NOT think that he actually completed the map with any of them by himself.
Before it was possible to use witch doctor and tank with Moongol's and heal yourself through the map but now its harder then before and i dont think its possible anymore, still in not sure...
And i see myself as an very experienced player in this map.

 

[GooS]

So far i havent seen a single guy here expect him that says that they have soloed the entire map. I mean, people say "me and my friend got to tyrael before we died" and they were two and couldent make it. So i do NOT think that he actually completed the map with any of them by himself.
Before it was possible to use witch doctor and tank with Moongol's and heal yourself through the map but now its harder then before and i dont think its possible anymore, still in not sure...
And i see myself as an very experienced player in this map.

He didn't say he soloed the entire map, but he said that it was "REALLY easy" which in my opinion meant that the complete game was really easy when playing solo, which it isn't. A with that as a base I also stated some ups and downs with the classes, making team play the way to go when testing this map.

Basically I just wanted to quote something to add that info, and giving you the info that the Witch Doctor can do things no one else can

 

[saphiree]

I have only tried go solo with barbarian and Witch Doctor. Barbarian was really hard, i dont even think i reched murloc boss. I know that sounds crappy, but i just choosed wrong spells.

With Witch Doctor i came to siege breaker boss, and i can tell it was kinda hard! I think i had 1 revieve when i reached him, but then he pwned me great ^^
So it is possible to solo it (atlast to siege breaker.) But its really hard, and i have only come that far 1 time.

 

[CloudMax]

I have only tried go solo with barbarian and Witch Doctor. Barbarian was really hard, i dont even think i reched murloc boss. I know that sounds crappy, but i just choosed wrong spells.

With Witch Doctor i came to siege breaker boss, and i can tell it was kinda hard! I think i had 1 revieve when i reached him, but then he pwned me great ^^
So it is possible to solo it (atlast to siege breaker.) But its really hard, and i have only come that far 1 time.

Was it in 1.17 or are you talking about an older version? Cus i thought CW fixed the balancing with Witch Doctor, he was much stronger then the other classes. Its like in Solo you come far with Witch Doctor and in multiplayer you need him to complete the map (most of the times).

 

[Espio-4x]

Even if you manage to beat the Siegebreaker AND to beat Tyrael to about 15%, he'll use his avatar skill which makes him immune to magic, making him impossible to beat with WD or Wizard alone (except if you have enough revives to last long enough so that the avatar runs away).
Barbarian can't solo it, even with some realy good micro and usage of bugs (I mean by spamming taking an item that adds mana and cast Whirlwind, you can keep the item and it gives you infinite mana to regen with whirlwind). Even through that, one can't get past the Siegebreaker who has so much stun you can't do much on your own.
Anyway, Diablo is best when played together isn't it? ^^

 

[CloudMax]

You can defeat Siege Breaker if you solo with barbarian with 3 ankhs, good equipment and skills. I have done it myself, i made a test map where i could start at all bosses of my own choice and choose w/e item i wanted to use. And i completed all bosses expect Tyrael, Void(Never tryed) & The Zombie(Never tryed).
What about avoiding siege breakers stun? :O

 

[saphiree]

lol how the hell to avoid it? :O I dint know you could do that '

EDIT: btw i realised that the camera is kinda buggy ingame. You've locked the camera for each player to their heroes. But if the hero dies i think you can move it around as you want even when your hero comes back. I think its when this happens but im not 100% sure.

 

[Espio-4x]

i made a test map where i could start at all bosses of my own choice and choose w/e item i wanted to use.

Allow me to start with the items and level I want too and for sure I'll beat him up ^^

What about avoiding siege breakers stun? :O

Well, barbarian has some trouble to hit him from distance, if I can strike, then he can too, and his stuns like 2/3 of the time.

Maybe trying to use his slowness and to hit him from rear like in trailer? I've not tried this, I dunno if it works.

 

[Super-Sheep]

Lvl 999999 kk

 

[CloudMax]

Allow me to start with the items and level I want too and for sure I'll beat him up ^^.

That was not exactly what i was trying to say.
I took items that you can get before to fight, so its not cheating in any way. And i took avange level i have in multiplayer x1.5 so it would be a fair level.
And i was able to beat him. All you need to know is at what % of life he does he's abilitys

Lvl 999999 kk

Spam?

 

[Super-Sheep]

I didnt get the part "I can set the level of hero".