damage reduction passive ability

sarumanthecursed · Jun 4, 2016

Is their any orb or slow poison type ability which reduces attacked enemy units damage when attacked if not how would I trigger that? any help would be appreciated >

Chaosy · Jun 4, 2016

Get your hands on a DDS (Damage Detection System) from the spell section.

This question has been asked dozens of times, if you search on google or with hive's search function you'll find more detailed answers.

sarumanthecursed · Jun 4, 2016

Chaosy said:
Get your hands on a DDS (Damage Detection System) from the spell section.

This question has been asked dozens of times, if you search on google or with hive's search function you'll find more detailed answers.

I have been but I've found nothing and I think I have a DDS but I've got no clue how to use it for this ability or any other :/

Chaosy · Jun 4, 2016

Use the damage event given by the DDS (there should be demos showing that)
then just set the damage variable to:
Damage = damage * 0.8
which will reduce the damage by 20%

sarumanthecursed · Jun 4, 2016

Chaosy said:
Use the damage event given by the DDS (there should be demos showing that)
then just set the damage variable to:
Damage = damage * 0.8
which will reduce the damage by 20%

so some thing like this :S

Enfeebling Venom
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Is attacked
- Conditions
  - Or - Any (Conditions) are true
    - Conditions
      - ((Attacked unit) has buff Enfeebling Venom1 (Non-stacking)) Equal to True
      - ((Attacked unit) has buff Enfeebling Venom2 (Stacking)) Equal to True
- Actions
  - Set DamageEvent = (DamageEvent x 0.80)

Chaosy · Jun 4, 2016

Almost.
Look at the examples mate:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...ev=search=damage%20engine&d=list&r=20&u=Bribe

There's even a youtube video.

sarumanthecursed · Jun 4, 2016

Chaosy said:
Almost.
Look at the examples mate:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...ev=search=damage%20engine&d=list&r=20&u=Bribe

There's even a youtube video.

Sorry but I've looked at the examples and the youtube and still don't know what to do :/

Enfeebling Venom
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Is attacked
- Conditions
  - Or - Any (Conditions) are true
    - Conditions
      - ((Attacked unit) has buff Enfeebling Venom1 (Non-stacking)) Equal to True
      - ((Attacked unit) has buff Enfeebling Venom2 (Stacking)) Equal to True
- Actions
  - Set DamageEventAmount = (DamageEventAmount x 0.80)
  - Set DamageEventTarget = (Attacked unit)

Tal'Rarity · Jun 5, 2016

Wrong event and variable for the unit.

sarumanthecursed · Jun 5, 2016

Dat-C3 said:
Wrong event and variable for the unit.

what would be the right one?

Enfeebling Venom
- Events
  - Game - DamageEvent becomes Equal to 1.00
- Conditions
  - Or - Any (Conditions) are true
    - Conditions
      - (DamageEventTarget has buff Enfeebling Venom1 (Non-stacking)) Equal to True
      - (DamageEventTarget has buff Enfeebling Venom2 (Stacking)) Equal to True
- Actions

KILLCIDE · Jun 5, 2016

Are you sure you read it? Even with the youtube video and amount of documentation Bribe put in his code, I find it strange that you come to into the forums looking for help as if it is any better. It just seems like you're looking for someone to do the work for you.

Regardless, if you take a look at the top of the damage engine trigger, this is what it says:

JASS:

// - Detect damage: use the event "DamageEvent Equal to 1.00"
// - To change damage before it's dealt: use the event "DamageModifierEvent Equal to 1.00"
// - Detect damage after it was applied, use the event "AfterDamageEvent Equal to 1.00"
// - Detect spell damage: use the condition "IsDamageSpell Equal to True"
// - Detect zero-damage: use the event "DamageEvent Equal to 2.00" (an AfterDamageEvent will not fire for this)
//
// You can specify the DamageEventType before dealing triggered damage. To prevent an already-improbable error, I recommend running the trigger "ClearDamageEvent (Checking Conditions)" after dealing triggered damage from within a damage event:
// - Set NextDamageType = DamageTypeWhatever
// - Unit - Cause...
// - Trigger - Run ClearDamageEvent (Checking Conditions)
//
// You can modify the DamageEventAmount and the DamageEventType from a "DamageModifierEvent Equal to 1.00" trigger.
// - If the amount is modified to negative, it will count as a heal.
// - If the amount is set to 0, no damage will be dealt.
//
// If you need to reference the original in-game damage, use the variable "DamageEventPrevAmt".

sarumanthecursed · Jun 5, 2016

KILLCIDE said:

Are you sure you read it? Even with the youtube video and amount of documentation Bribe put in his code, I find it strange that you come to into the forums looking for help as if it is any better. It just seems like you're looking for someone to do the work for you.

Regardless, if you take a look at the top of the damage engine trigger, this is what it says:

JASS:

// - Detect damage: use the event "DamageEvent Equal to 1.00"
// - To change damage before it's dealt: use the event "DamageModifierEvent Equal to 1.00"
// - Detect damage after it was applied, use the event "AfterDamageEvent Equal to 1.00"
// - Detect spell damage: use the condition "IsDamageSpell Equal to True"
// - Detect zero-damage: use the event "DamageEvent Equal to 2.00" (an AfterDamageEvent will not fire for this)
//
// You can specify the DamageEventType before dealing triggered damage. To prevent an already-improbable error, I recommend running the trigger "ClearDamageEvent (Checking Conditions)" after dealing triggered damage from within a damage event:
// - Set NextDamageType = DamageTypeWhatever
// - Unit - Cause...
// - Trigger - Run ClearDamageEvent (Checking Conditions)
//
// You can modify the DamageEventAmount and the DamageEventType from a "DamageModifierEvent Equal to 1.00" trigger.
// - If the amount is modified to negative, it will count as a heal.
// - If the amount is set to 0, no damage will be dealt.
//
// If you need to reference the original in-game damage, use the variable "DamageEventPrevAmt".

yes I have read and I still don't know how I can possibly use theis to trigger that when my hero who learns Ability_X attacks a unit, the attacked units attack will be reduced.

blancfaye7 · Jun 5, 2016

Basically, it detects damage.
So, in your trigger, you need to add the event.
Setting that up right, your trigger will now fire for any instance of a unit that has been damaged.
To limit that, add the conditions.
Setting that up right, your trigger should now detect the attack of unit with Ability_X.

Now, in your actions, you still need to do the regular trigger thing; maybe create a dummy unit which casts howl of terror without any effects and apply buff to the attacked target, or cast an inner fire with negative damage, or use an aura, etc.
You have several choices on applying -dmg on the attacked unit, just be careful with buffs or abilities that you use with it because some buffs having based on the same ability will not stack.
e.g. You made a dummy skill based on Slow. Any other skills which applies a buff that uses Slow as the buff placer won't stack.

I am not descriptive enough, but I wanted you to read the documentation and find out how.

_{_{_{EDIT:

And guys, he is NOT trying to modify the damage being dealt within the event, but he is trying to apply a buff OR SOMETHING to an enemy unit so that the enemy unit has a minus damage so long as the attacked enemy has a buff.}}}

Edit 2: Welp. I think you guys knew in the first place. (?) (@edit#1)

Anitarf · Jun 5, 2016

Give your hero an ability that leaves a buff on the units he attacks. Then, use the damage detection system to reduce the damage dealt by units who have that buff.

Alternatively, you could use the damage detection system to detect when your hero deals combat damage to units and give those units an attack damage reduction ability. You'd also need some sort of buff system in this case to remove the damage reduction ability after some time.

sarumanthecursed · Jun 5, 2016

blancfaye7 said:
Basically, it detects damage.
So, in your trigger, you need to add the event.
Setting that up right, your trigger will now fire for any instance of a unit that has been damaged.
To limit that, add the conditions.
Setting that up right, your trigger should now detect the attack of unit with Ability_X.

Now, in your actions, you still need to do the regular trigger thing; maybe create a dummy unit which casts howl of terror without any effects and apply buff to the attacked target, or cast an inner fire with negative damage, or use an aura, etc.
You have several choices on applying -dmg on the attacked unit, just be careful with buffs or abilities that you use with it because some buffs having based on the same ability will not stack.
e.g. You made a dummy skill based on Slow. Any other skills which applies a buff that uses Slow as the buff placer won't stack.

I am not descriptive enough, but I wanted you to read the documentation and find out how.

_{_{_{EDIT:

And guys, he is NOT trying to modify the damage being dealt within the event, but he is trying to apply a buff OR SOMETHING to an enemy unit so that the enemy unit has a minus damage so long as the attacked enemy has a buff.}}}

Edit 2: Welp. I think you guys knew in the first place. (?) (@edit#1)

but If I use any of your suggested dummy abilities then the effect won't work on units with magic immunity, when I need it to (just like slow poison)

Enfeebling Venom
- Events
  - Game - DamageEvent becomes Equal to 1.00
- Conditions
  - Or - Any (Conditions) are true
    - Conditions
      - DmgEvStarted Equal to (DamageEventTarget has buff Enfeebling Venom1 (Non-stacking))
      - DmgEvStarted Equal to (DamageEventTarget has buff Enfeebling Venom2 (Stacking))
- Actions
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - (DamageEventSource has buff Enfeebling Venom1 (Non-stacking)) Equal to True
      - (DamageEventSource has buff Enfeebling Venom2 (Stacking)) Equal to True
    - Then - Actions
      - Set DamageEventAmount = (DamageEventAmount x 0.80)
    - Else - Actions

Then, use the damage detection system to reduce the damage dealt by units who have that buff.

That's what i'm trying to find out how to do.

P.S sorry if I sound like a winning toddler, I don't mean to give off that impression so apologies if I am

blancfaye7 · Jun 5, 2016

So you mean...

Unit with Abil_X inflicts buff.

Affected Unit will have a reduced attack damage.

Is this right?

If so, in your current trigger, DamageEventTarget is the wrong variable to use.

sarumanthecursed · Jun 5, 2016

blancfaye7 said:
So you mean...

Unit with Abil_X inflicts buff.

Affected Unit will have a reduced attack damage.

Is this right?

If so, in your current trigger, DamageEventTarget is the wrong variable to use.

YES! that's what I mean and then would it be source ? or...

Enfeebling Venom
- Events
  - Game - DamageEvent becomes Equal to 1.00
- Conditions
  - Or - Any (Conditions) are true
    - Conditions
      - DmgEvStarted Equal to (DamageEventSource has buff Enfeebling Venom1 (Non-stacking))
      - DmgEvStarted Equal to (DamageEventSource has buff Enfeebling Venom2 (Stacking))
- Actions
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - (DamageEventSource has buff Enfeebling Venom1 (Non-stacking)) Equal to True
      - (DamageEventSource has buff Enfeebling Venom2 (Stacking)) Equal to True
    - Then - Actions
      - Set DamageEventAmount = (DamageEventAmount x 0.80)
    - Else - Actions

Dr Super Good · Jun 6, 2016

Why not use the DDS to apply cripple to the target using a dummy unit? This will not reduce ability damage it deals but it will reduce attack damage and provide a helpful buff bar icon to inform the owner of what is going on.

sarumanthecursed · Jun 6, 2016

Dr Super Good said:
Why not use the DDS to apply cripple to the target using a dummy unit? This will not reduce ability damage it deals but it will reduce attack damage and provide a helpful buff bar icon to inform the owner of what is going on.

But that way can be blocked by spell immunity

Dr Super Good · Jun 6, 2016

But that way can be blocked by spell immunity

Which may or may not be a good thing.

One could also use negative concentration aura in a hidden spellbook on the target, and that cannot be blocked by spell immunity. Only problem is it shows as a buff (instead of debuff).

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