Custom model sticks to other units

[An0nym0us]

I made a custom (gnome) model out the child in WC3 but parts of him are attached to parts of other units. Does anyone know why?

I could post a picture if you need it.

 

[Mecheon]

Geosetanim problems

Geosetanims deal with when things are visable and so forth

I'll tell more when I'm more awake. 3:26 AM is not a good time to post anything @_@

 

[An0nym0us]

I'm not sure if it's Geosetanims, but I thought I should also say that the portrait is messed too. (don't know if that helps or not) It sometimes shows the gnome's face for a brief period of time, but it usually looks similar to the unit. I also took some screens of what's happenning:

http://www.freewebs.com/benms_pics/gnome1.PNG
http://www.freewebs.com/benms_pics/gnome2.PNG

 

[An0nym0us]

Can anyone help? Is there anyone who can confirm whether or not the problem is Geosetanims?

 

[Mecheon]

The portrait thing is, quite simply, because your model doesn't have a set camera

And that is either a horribly bugged model or a severe case of geosetanims

 

[An0nym0us]

No, the potrait isn't messed because there is no camera. There is one. It's just the model is screwed up for some reason. I think it didn't export part(s) of the model so it is using other units' parts because the computer can't find these in the gnome. When I try exporting it in different ways, sometimes it looks normal, but there are no aminations and it is sitting on another unit's foot, overhead, arm, etc. (like it's an attachment) And when I don't export any animations it works fine, but obviosly he isn't animated. If you could look at the text file to see what's wrong, I would really appreciate it.

 

[Mecheon]

Bone mistake by the look of it

No idea how to fix it though, sorry

 

[Nasrudin]

Re: Custom model sticks to other untis

I made a custom (gnome) model out the child in WC3 but parts of him are attached to parts of other units. Does anyone know why?

I could post a picture if you need it.

Exactly how did you made it?

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

I think I can answer this one; I have encountered this problem before.

It occurs when the vertices are unassigned - if you converted this model to an MDL, my guess is you'd see a big list of "-1"s where the vertexgroups are designated; therein lies your problem. At least, such a problem happens when I forget to assign vertices in Milkshape. Anyway, since the vertices don't have a bone to follow, it seems that they latch onto the nearest other... Which is usually on another model.

The solution? Make sure all the vertices are assigned to a bone before you export.

I hope that helped.

 

[An0nym0us]

Strangely Rao Dao Zao, in the vertexgroup part it has no negative numbers and looks similar to any other model. Now I'm starting to realize that whatever parts I do skin are glitched and stick to other units or the middle of the map. However, what I leave unskinned, isn't animated but stays where it should be.

This is what it should look like:
http://www.freewebs.com/benms_pics/gnome5.PNG

These are two other versions of the glitch:
http://www.freewebs.com/benms_pics/gnome3.PNG
http://www.freewebs.com/benms_pics/gnome4.PNG
http://www.freewebs.com/benms_pics/gnome6.PNG

I have been trying for many, many hours to get this to work. Please help me.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

Could you maybe post an MDL or MDX so I can take a closer look?

 

[An0nym0us]

Thanks so much for helping me! I'll post it tonight when I get a chance to go on my other computer.

 

[An0nym0us]

Heres the link:

http://www.freewebs.com/benms_pics/Gnome_Reskin70.mdl

Once again, thanks a ton for helping me!

EDIT:Fixed the link.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

That's good. I'll take a close look at it and get back to you as soon as possible.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

Sorry for the double post, but:

There's only one thing I can see that's wrong with the MDL - there are no sequences! Try adding in this above your textures section in the header:

Sequences 1 {
Anim "Stand" {
Interval { 0, 1 },
MinimumExtent { -200, -200, -200 },
MaximumExtent { 200, 200, 200 },
BoundsRadius 100,
}
}

 

[Nasrudin]

I doubt it: i have several models without sequences, and they don't cause any problems. I don't know if it can help, but i had a similar problem when i gave the footman animations to a sorceress (oinker tools). I could never figured what was wrong with it, but it's a start i suppose.

 

[Nasrudin]

I doubt it: i have several models without sequences, and they don't cause any problems. I don't know if it can help, but i had a similar problem when i gave the footman animations to a sorceress (oinker tools). I could never figured what was wrong with it, but it's a start i suppose.

 

[An0nym0us]

Sequences are not the problem. I have tried it with them long ago, but it doesn't work either. I just submited one with no sequences because I knew that they were not the problem, so it would be one less thing for you to have to look at.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

I'm surprised that the MDL converted at all if it had no sequences. Even if it's a sequence of 1 frame and there are no animations on the bones, you still need to have at least one defined, I'm pretty sure of that.

 

[Nasrudin]

RDZ take a look at the mdl primitives on oinkerwinkle site: they work perfectly and no one of them has sequences.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

Nasrudin -
...
Model "OinkerCube" {
NumGeosets 1,
NumBones 1,
BlendTime 150,
MinimumExtent { -20, -20, 0 },
MaximumExtent { 20, 20, 40 },
BoundsRadius 34.641,
}
Sequences 1 {
Anim "Stand" {
Interval { 0, 3333 },
}
}
Textures 1 {
Bitmap {
Image "Textures\white.blp",
}
}
Materials 1 {
Material {
Layer {
FilterMode None,
static TextureID 0,
}
}
}
...
What's that at the top there?! A sequence! You've been had, my friend. Every model must have at least one sequence. It's the bones that don't need motion. Even if there are no keyframes anywhere in the model, it needs a sequence!

 

[Nasrudin]

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

And it has not even one sequence, of course it won't work! It's just a dodgy exporter that leads you to believe that there can be no sequences.

 

[Nasrudin]

And it has not even one sequence, of course it won't work!

Who said it doesn't work? This is the primitive i have used for most of the doodads in the indoor pack. No one reported even a bug so far. :roll:

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

We've had this same debate over at wc3campaigns and I still maintain that a model needs at least one sequence. It can live without animations, but it needs sequences. Blargh!

 

[Nasrudin]

Hehe, ok, as you wish. Back on topic now?

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

I suppose so. But I assume An0nym0us has tuned out by now, since we didn't actually solve his/her/its problem.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

I suppose so. But I assume An0nym0us has tuned out by now, since we didn't actually solve his/her/its problem.