Cruiser Command v0.93g

[Vladimir.]

@GIANT CRAB
I also had some problems with the refinery drone.. sometimes it will stop working or take the raw materials to the telepad or he just drops the materials in the hallway and when you take two or more of them, then they get all messed up and even had once that they just crashed into the refinery to get destroyed by it. I also noticed that turning the drone off and then back online again, will make the drone move again and continue his job until he breaks down again making you turn him off/on again. So most of time when I got a good team, I replace the drone myself, while doing upgrades and messing around with the energy.

Some other bugs I came across:
-It sometime happen that the mining vessel of fighter vessel becomes uncontrollable when you leave the cruiser, thank god you can save your self by the -eject command otherwise the problem would be quite bigger. But still its a waste of the vessel and you have to wait 5 min before a new one should respawn.
-At the start of the game the whole map is visible so when you go fast enough is space cam. Then you will be able to see where the big astroid fields are on the minimap, giving you a advantege on knowing where to get lots of resources.
-Also there are always a few astroinds that belong to a other player and these always contain the purple stuff.. (I always forget the name =P), this bug in combintaion with the bug above allows you to rush the purple stuff (as the player owned astroids got the owners colour on the minimap making them quite easy to spot), getting a huge advantage above the enemy cruiser.

Well keep on the good work, as I really enjoy playing the game and fixing the bugs will make it only better.

 

[GIANT_CRAB]

@GIANT CRAB
I also had some problems with the refinery drone.. sometimes it will stop working or take the raw materials to the telepad or he just drops the materials in the hallway and when you take two or more of them, then they get all messed up and even had once that they just crashed into the refinery to get destroyed by it. I also noticed that turning the drone off and then back online again, will make the drone move again and continue his job until he breaks down again making you turn him off/on again. So most of time when I got a good team, I replace the drone myself, while doing upgrades and messing around with the energy.

Some other bugs I came across:
-It sometime happen that the mining vessel of fighter vessel becomes uncontrollable when you leave the cruiser, thank god you can save your self by the -eject command otherwise the problem would be quite bigger. But still its a waste of the vessel and you have to wait 5 min before a new one should respawn.
-At the start of the game the whole map is visible so when you go fast enough is space cam. Then you will be able to see where the big astroid fields are on the minimap, giving you a advantege on knowing where to get lots of resources.
-Also there are always a few astroinds that belong to a other player and these always contain the purple stuff.. (I always forget the name =P), this bug in combintaion with the bug above allows you to rush the purple stuff (as the player owned astroids got the owners colour on the minimap making them quite easy to spot), getting a huge advantage above the enemy cruiser.

Well keep on the good work, as I really enjoy playing the game and fixing the bugs will make it only better.

So are you going to doing anything about these bugs? Because some other first timers would not know what to do when these bugs occur. And if its our enemy, you just see them leaving... waste my time..

 

[Myself33]

@vlad

are those bug reports or are those suggestions for the map?
EDIT: i was kinda confused about the second bullet never encountered that bug though

@tkf

can you make the mining module move? its cost does not make up for its purpose. and oh, do asteroids respawn?

 

[TKF]

-Also there are always a few astroinds that belong to a other player and these always contain the purple stuff.. (I always forget the name =P), this bug in combintaion with the bug above allows you to rush the purple stuff (as the player owned astroids got the owners colour on the minimap making them quite easy to spot), getting a huge advantage above the enemy cruiser.

Hmm weird, it's not supposed to be owned other than neutral, and not to any players.

 

[masterofra]

About the spellbook idea for the captains console, Vexorian found out that, If im correct, if you make multiple spellbooks with the same order id, each with one spell in them, and add them to the hero, you end up with one spellbook icon, and all the spells in it. Altho, I attempted this, and it didnt work, I may have done something wrong. I added 3 spells, and ended up with 3 spellbooks with 3 spells each, the correct 3 spells tho.
http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=80186&highlight=spellbook

 

[Void]

Nice map but something is bugging me: The mining stations being stationary really hurts there effectiveness - letting them fly around on there own or give the mining craft a ability to move would be really nice an option to pick them up again and deploy them somewhere else would be cool too.

The other thing is the refining drone seems really bugged:
1. It stops working from time to time until you fill up its inventory it will then resume it works just to fail a short time after.
2. Sometime when it has two items in its inventory it will plant one on the ground and then switch them until you snatch the one thats on the ground for half a sec and place it in its inventory
3. It likes to place items slightly of the teleporter so they never arrive in storage and you have to place them there manually

One more thing: either the Mining Station or the Sensory Node i forgot witch one but you are unable to place one of them back into the cargo bay after you took it out

 

[Vladimir.]

It's not possible to vary the spells in a spellbook, so that isn't possible. I can add another unit for missile firing, but that would require intense remake of the entire selection system which involves a lot of triggers.

If you put the spell button for Yamato and the overcharged laser blast and any other possible abillity that the cruiser might get in the future, in a spellbook and disable them with saying that they need a upgrade (wich you could name: "Arm the Yamato Cannon first" or something else.) then when someone actually arms the Yamato you enable the upgrade for the spellbutton so that the abillity can be used and when the player uses it, you should disable the upgrade again. This will make it possible to put some abilities of the cruiser in a spellbook and allows you to enable/disable them.
You could do something similair for the missile sytem but instead off showing the missile's in the spellbook you could make buttons that say: Fire missile pod 1, Fire missile pod 2, etc. and when there is no missile in the missile bay then you could disable the button with a upgrade saying: Put a missile in the missle bay. This way you can have 6 different missile's in every slot and being able to use each of them. Only problem you won't be able to know what missile you are gonna fire unless you know which missile you have put in which missile bay, but you could solve this with a command like "-Status Missile bay's", which will then show what kind of missile's you got ready in your missile bay's.

PS: I made a few screenshots about the "seeing whole map" bug and of the "player owned astroids" bug and added them to this reply.

 

[Darkness-4ever]

Like your game, but there are some issues that could be improved upon, the easiest one would be to just make asteroids owned by neutral only instead of Player 1 red, and from there fixing the refining drone bug and enabling a mining station to move. I do have a few suggestions though, like possibly adding an ability to drop all items from a crew member, this would make refining and storing much easier, and possibly adding upgrades to the mining laser, such as upgrading the rate and range of its ability to mine. These are just a few suggestions, other than that I believe the bulk of the problems were already covered by previous posts.

 

[TKF]

As for the mining station, it's a STATION and it don't move. It's just a luxury feature which allows you to clear a asteroid field. You can push rocks with the cruiser towards the mining station. Same goes for sensor station.


As for the missile launching I won't make it unnecessary complicated for the players. I'll keep it simple. But I'll add a spellbook for the cruiser and fighter, but it's only for special abilities like radar and such.

Spoiler

Ha! No spoilers to be found here!

Releasing 0.75 very soon.

 

[Hugomath]

Cool, new Cruiser ^^

Suggestions:
-A kind of main cannon which is usable by a specific crew member(which the captain can choose in his console). With selectable ammo, for example EMP, HE etc., slow reloading, heavy damage... just like the Yamato, however, less powerful.
-Saboteur Droids. Penetrates the Cruiser's Hull, kind of "eat" the energy in it, with timed life, remove-able by the Engineers(basically, like that spider drone from Solar Conquest).

 

[Vladimir.]

First I got to say, Blodmon that model is wicked sick, I really like it!.

Second, to bad but the refinery drone still have's some problems.
It will still breakdown sometime, but apperently it will reboot itself as after a few min it just start working again. But it still drops stuff half way the hallway and when it wants to do something in the refinery it will drop the ore in slot 1, drop the ore in slot 2 and then it will pick up the dropped ore from slot 1 again and then the dropped ore of slot 2 and this will continue for ever, unless you pick up one of the ore's. But after picking one of the ore's up, the bug will not come back again.

Also maby its a good idea to set the "exit control" button of the cruiser control center on the slot postion where normally the "attack" button would be and beneath that the spell book for the cruiser abilities. so that you got the 4 lowest ability slots free for missile's.

and btw, nice fix on the player ownded astroids haven't seen them anymore. And I also tried the boost engine's ofcourse and I like it!, Already crashed with it into a enemy cruiser =P.

 

[TKF]

Well the refinery AI is terrible messed up. It don't work properly but at least it should restart itself every time its activity ceases. However I still got the problem if it has 2 different ores in inventory which triggers is supposed to prevent. Triggers are not working properly as the triggers isn't working as it's supposed to.

It was not supposed to not pick up refined ore when it has raw ore in slot 1, but it does that anyways. I've tried and tried several times but I don't know how to avoid the problem yet in this case.

The pre 0.69 versions refinery drone AI is working excellent, but I don't have access to these versions in open format. Reading vexified code it's impossible and I cannot get the AI from that code.



New in 0.75
New Battlecruiser Model

The fighter and the cruiser does now have a new ability. The cruiser can use short time turbo for escape purposes at a cost of great amount of energy. The max speed initial bonus is never below 450, and it cannot surpass 522 which is the wc3 limit for unit speeds. Also you won't use extra energy during the overboost engines and cruiser doesn't take damage during the short time. But it cost 7500 energy for each use, so using it often might be critical for the energy reserves.

Also if your engines settings is below 60gw/sec, it will be automatically set to 60gw/sec and must be lowered in the engine room. But this gives room for using this ability to get 150 default speed after a boost without asking the engineer. You can go from 1ms to 450ms in 1 click, however losing 25 speed every second makes this ability last only for a few seconds, but it can be good enough for dogding enemy missiles if you use it at a right time.



The fighter has a fighter scanner which can be useful for picking up nearby miners which reveals then on the minimap, but it has quite long cooldown for each use. It also reveals nearby asteroid clusters. This should make the fighter a little more attractive to use as it's not often used in games for offense.

 

[Deolrin]

I think you should remove the drones. I highly prefer not to use them in games as it almost completely defeats the purpose of engineers, and I really do enjoy being an engineer. This leaves us engineers very bored most of the game.

 

[TKF]

I think you should remove the drones. I highly prefer not to use them in games as it almost completely defeats the purpose of engineers, and I really do enjoy being an engineer. This leaves us engineers very bored most of the game.

Not completely, the refinery job is a neutral job that can be done by anyone and having a refinery drone can be useful, especially in 3v3 games. Also the armament drone is doing a job which also can be performed by any crew members.

The engineers is the only one to operate the power panel and molecularic constructor so refining and loading missiles isn't a typical engineer job, although it's usually performed the crew which is onboard, which is usually the engineer doing these tasks.


It's up to the crew if they want drones or not. They cost energy which is permanently drained and only the power specialist engineers can switch on/off drones to conserve energy.

 

[frostloh]

unbelievable...this map has improved so much since i last played it! callex and TKF you rock!

 

[Alexlm]

hm....did callex leave the greatest map ever?....
anyway the damage system is knda bad, only rocks appear no damage to systems
put some power conducts if you get internal damage they may be destroyed, losing power to some systems (eng can repair it)
add a teleporter upgrade so you can beam up enemy drones steal ^^ and beam nukes in the enemy cruiser if the shields off, or beam near em
making subsystems for the cruisers like auto anti rocket lasers, cloak a real power drainer, warp drive for a teleport
the end of the wings put some leasers or something....its knda empty
make some terrain variables so we can make badass tactics > like planet black hole, that change your movement by gravity and does damage if too near ex: you are cap they run after you, now you will use the blackhole, and gain speed, now the enemy if they use a course nearer to the hole they may get damage if to away you may escape
also put a energy upgrade , not like the upgrade generator, its a research and you have to pick just 1, a purple base 1 that burns it and gets energy, a solar energy that needs a piece of sun, you will need to get near to the sun and "mine" it with the cruiser, you will need full power and like 1000 in shields so the crow does not get a solar burn, not good for the skin, it will generate power over time but has a time limit so do not even try to get it at start coz you will fail and it will be useless even if you do, a +100 power gen for 10-15 minutes is ok? based on black hole like the sun you have to get a piece of it, it generates +150 no countdown, but there is a big problem its unstable, if the force field gets down BUM, 50% Cruiser hp gone and engine room a big mess, you need to put 20 in it to be stable under no battle situation, but in battle it may lose it, if you run out of power or get hits on engine room, but you will have a minute before it goes 0 if at 100 so you maybe able to save the ship, still a very big risk, even to get a pice of sun black hole if you have a nooby eng/cap
and make a rocket design, you pick type: heavy light or normal, it opens a book(like the ones with abilitys), and then you pick type of traking system, and type of propulsion, you put a engine and a explosive without the homing system and it will go just ahead etc

 

[kici]

hey Callex, i personally don't think its fair if you'r allowed to cheat and we're not

I'd appreciate if even if you p.m me the pass for the input reminder, i will keep it to myself i promise but please we deserve to know also -_-

I'll wait for a response

PS:

I love your map, we been playing it for the past 3 days non stop, and there is some bugs with the fighter ships, if someone who is mining goes back and goes into the fighter, the ship is bugged and cannot be controlled for the rest of the game, i believe its because of some upgrading we do.

 

[TKF]

PS:

I love your map, we been playing it for the past 3 days non stop, and there is some bugs with the fighter ships, if someone who is mining goes back and goes into the fighter, the ship is bugged and cannot be controlled for the rest of the game, i believe its because of some upgrading we do.

This happened in 0.75? There should be a trigger checking if you have lost control and give you the control back every 15 seconds if you don't have control. Also it's looping so it's something wrong with it if you don't get your control back again.

 

[kici]

This happened in 0.75? There should be a trigger checking if you have lost control and give you the control back every 15 seconds if you don't have control. Also it's looping so it's something wrong with it if you don't get your control back again.

Thats weird, and yes on 0.75, we had lost many times control of both ships and we just have to suck it up till the end..., I will try again and count 30seconds if still not control I'll post you guys the reply ok?

also, there was other bugs that I can't think of right now, sorry I'm replying thru my phone, but when I get back tomorrow to play it, I will let you guys know.

 

[kici]

Here, I got you the reply, it just happend again xD

perfect timing

PS: It has just happened again, first at team 2, than at our team also... please do something about it -_-

This time, it did however say "DEBUG!"

but nothing happend, we had to -eject

ps 4:

4th game just happend again, i took fighter, went and killed their 2 miners, 1 came to mine agian, the 2nd came to fight, and after i killed them again they got bugged... maybe that has to do something with it ?

 

[kici]

Another bug, when they fired upon us i was editing the engine power... and I got stuck behind the generator -_-, which sucks coz i ddin't have blinking ability ;(

here's pic to show u :

 

[TKF]

This time, it did however say "DEBUG!"

Ok, thats very bad. It means that some function is out of system and for some reason turned off/destroyed, also the trigger isn't performing all it's actions for some reason as it should. But there's nothing set to turn this the launch trigger so this shouldn't happen at all.

But the trigger isn't looping so it shouldn't happen at all. I've looked through the vessel spawn trigger and I cannot figure out why this happens. In theory this should work unlimited I don't understand why wc3 should behave like this.

Another bug, when they fired upon us i was editing the engine power... and I got stuck behind the generator -_-, which sucks coz i ddin't have blinking ability ;(

here's pic to show u :

How did you get there?, well I can add a collision blocker there.



btw replays for cc is bugged, the camera is locked on player 1, which means that if captain goes out to mine, I cannot see that's going on inside the ship.

 

[kici]

oh xD, well as i was saying I got there by changing the power of the shield and engine, and they atack us and I guess from the impact it moved me inside the generator somehow -_-, and yeah I know that you said there's a trigger for regaining command but as you can see we had this problem for a while now I thought you guys knew -_-,

also another big problem, when I take the challenge to play 1vs5, its very hard to manage because teh drones are bugged also, make sure they are doing their job constantly, for example what I would suggest is first take all minerals and put in the refinery, than put them in the ship, therefore they won't get bugged, because everytime I use drones they get bugged, they get stcuk with minerals inside of them that hasn't been in the refinery and they stop working, sometimes by disablng / enabling them they start workign again but very rare, once even our friend got "Blocked" inside the place where you spawn after getting killed by a fighter, and the drones stopped working there, he could not move -_- therfore we lost. xD

 

[TKF]

I can turn off collision size on the inactive drones so you can pass them.


Well the control loss bug is a difficult thing to fix. I don't find out the source of the error nor the bug. To be honest I don't know what's wrong with it as in the editor it's perfectly fine. I plan to release 0.76, but I have no way of testing control bug and singleplayer and very difficult to fix it when I don't know how. I'm out of options. It work perfectly on 0.67f so I wonder what's different. I don't have open version of pre 0.71 of cruiser command unfortunately.


I see 0.67f being hosted often by CCA clan and their reason is the control bug. They hate it so much that they don't wanna play newer version until the control bug is fixed.

 

[kici]

Alright, well could you post a link for 0.67f? We might switch to that one also because of the bug... and yeah drones problem would be great, and do you check your p.m?

And I don't know what to tell you about the bug, if I could see the map I could try figuring it out, I guess think of a way around it, to make it work, make a player writes -bug, and it specifically targets the last triggering unit which is the plane to give control or something... , also to give back to options for the plane not just control of it?

try that, and I'll be glad to test the map with my friends, we're playing it alot

 

[TKF]

And I don't know what to tell you about the bug, if I could see the map I could try figuring it out, I guess think of a way around it, to make it work, make a player writes -bug, and it specifically targets the last triggering unit which is the plane to give control or something... , also to give back to options for the plane not just control of it?

That doesn't work. Even typing a command doesn't work when the game refuses you to select other stuff. There is a selection locking system that also prevents you to select the control, and also prevents control loss. If I remove that system the first miner going out have no control over the ship.

Also it's impossible to recreate the control loss bug when playing and testing it alone to recreate it, I can dock and go out of the ship as many times I like, it seems it bugs when there is more players but I don't understand why...


But the weird thing is the system is working while the control loss occurs, thus denying you of selecting anything which is also the cause of control bug. I might need to remake it perhaps.

But I'll be gone for a few days so I won't be updating until I'm back...

 

[kici]

Ohhh, okay that sucks, but if you could post that other version that'd be great..

 

[Alexlm]

hm....did callex leave the greatest map ever?....
anyway the damage system is knda bad, only rocks appear no damage to systems
put some power conducts if you get internal damage they may be destroyed, losing power to some systems (eng can repair it)
add a teleporter upgrade so you can beam up enemy drones steal ^^ and beam nukes in the enemy cruiser if the shields off, or beam near em
making subsystems for the cruisers like auto anti rocket lasers, cloak a real power drainer, warp drive for a teleport
the end of the wings put some leasers or something....its knda empty
make some terrain variables so we can make badass tactics > like planet black hole, that change your movement by gravity and does damage if too near ex: you are cap they run after you, now you will use the blackhole, and gain speed, now the enemy if they use a course nearer to the hole they may get damage if to away you may escape
also put a energy upgrade , not like the upgrade generator, its a research and you have to pick just 1, a purple base 1 that burns it and gets energy, a solar energy that needs a piece of sun, you will need to get near to the sun and "mine" it with the cruiser, you will need full power and like 1000 in shields so the crow does not get a solar burn, not good for the skin, it will generate power over time but has a time limit so do not even try to get it at start coz you will fail and it will be useless even if you do, a +100 power gen for 10-15 minutes is ok? based on black hole like the sun you have to get a piece of it, it generates +150 no countdown, but there is a big problem its unstable, if the force field gets down BUM, 50% Cruiser hp gone and engine room a big mess, you need to put 20 in it to be stable under no battle situation, but in battle it may lose it, if you run out of power or get hits on engine room, but you will have a minute before it goes 0 if at 100 so you maybe able to save the ship, still a very big risk, even to get a pice of sun black hole if you have a nooby eng/cap
and make a rocket design, you pick type: heavy light or normal, it opens a book(like the ones with abilitys), and then you pick type of traking system, and type of propulsion, you put a engine and a explosive without the homing system and it will go just ahead etc
sorry for double post, i dont see my last 1 if im not loged in so...i posted once more

 

[Myself33]

Just finished playing the .75 version. Still got a few bugs.

Some players that are promoted into a captain cannot use the main controls, which screws up the whole game.

I guess the loss of control on the mining vessels bug is still there. We had to finish the game by bumping our ship to the enemy cruiser

How about some neutral aliens who tries to attack your cruiser? It'll give a bit more excitement on the game, since it will give some idle engineers something to do while waiting for the minerals mined by the pilots.

 

[TKF]

Some players that are promoted into a captain cannot use the main controls, which screws up the whole game.

How so, do they get the officer ability? If not they can't control the ship.

 

[Myself33]

yes they were promoted. they can control it for a few mins, but after that, we won't be able to run the ship. it keeps on saying "Access denied." we've also tried using the captain controls.

 

[TKF]

yes they were promoted. they can control it for a few mins, but after that, we won't be able to run the ship. it keeps on saying "Access denied." we've also tried using the captain controls.

Well it's a trigger overflow problem. Promote them again from officer to captain, then they should be able to access controls anyways.


Edit_

I found the bug. I've fixed it. It seems like when the other team restricted access, you were permanently affected.

 

[Crewdroy]

Awesome map man your doing a grate job and i see oyu have found a better criuser model!

 

[TKF]

This version should deal with the control loss bug, but I don't know my fix works cuz it's hard to test in alone in the editor since it's not possible for me to recreate the bug. Let me know if control loss bug still occurs.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

In light of the recent changes by TKF, I am surprised by just how much this map has improved since I last played it. This is a solid team-v-team map that really ought to be remade in StarCraft 2. However, it's best to play with people whom you know, due to its complexity. 5/5

 

[TKF]

In light of the recent changes by TKF, I am surprised by just how much this map has improved since I last played it. This is a solid team-v-team map that really ought to be remade in StarCraft 2. However, it's best to play with people whom you know, due to its complexity. 5/5

Callex told me that he is working a cruiser command for SC2. However I don't know how far he has gotten into the project during sc2 beta.

Edit_

His editorial changes had compatibility issues when beta phase 2 made some serious editor changes and his map and systems reverted back useless state, meaning he have to start over again from scratch.

 

[Shadawn]

Hi all. We (i and a bunch of my friends) recently became great fans of this map. But due to our small numbers we can't even get 3vs3. So now we are trying to find anybody who wants to play on Internet. If anybody got interested, you can reply here or contact me via Skype enervator.

Some cautions - we are Russian, and not all of us know English well (me included). So our ability to communicate will be somewhat limited, and it will be best if you come with your own 5-man team. Although we still CAN speak (or type in chat), so if you agree with this condition (and bears with vodka) - come in any numbers.

 

[Kniff]

Hi

Where can you play this map? If I play it in Garena RPG room it never gets full.

 

[kici]

Thats not good, poor callex..

Anyways , 0.76 bugs lose control still exist! just thought i'd let you know if no1 has... almost 96% of the time of play it happens.

 

[Specterz22]

About the control bug did you upgrade the veesels hp? I believe that is the source of the bug since for me at any rate it bugs if I increase the vessel hp.

 

[TKF]

About the control bug did you upgrade the veesels hp? I believe that is the source of the bug since for me at any rate it bugs if I increase the vessel hp.

Ok, I was able to recreate the bug now, as I did upgrade the vessels hp it seems like i could no longer select the ship after launching.

I made some testing with debug messages and stuff, and after a while I found a solution to counter this problem.


All cc fans GIVE HIM REP+ for this report that was the cause of solving the Control Loss bug. TY VERY MUCH Specterz22. You are the hero that reported a very important reason of the bug I didn't even know the origin of the bug!



0.76b is released as soon Callex uploads it. I'm tried to test the game online, but had serious net problems and didn't get to test it properly. Callex has probably uploaded it by tomorrow.

 

[FrontFlip]

I started to play cruiser command since v0.6. im not used to the editor but might have some great ideas for you guys. im not going to do a brainstorm on this forum but if one of you (tkf or callex) are interested then just e-mail me.

For my first idea i tought about a way to make the ship invisible. other team might research some advanced radars to see you or maybe only the vessels can be invisible.

Me and my friend still get a lot of fun with this map , i give it 5/5.

 

[Kniff]

Well for me the refinery drones are completly not working, they fail to put ore into the refinery. I bought them ca. 10 times in the last days, and always they were unable to put ore into the refinery.

 

[lol_lam3r1]

can i know if its possible to play 2 v 2 ?? eg. if you dont have engineer you will auto get the qualification
or you must have all 3 job some ppl tell me that it is updated and that dont need all 3 job le

 

[TKF]

can i know if its possible to play 2 v 2 ?? eg. if you dont have engineer you will auto get the qualification
or you must have all 3 job some ppl tell me that it is updated and that dont need all 3 job le

It's possible to play 2v2, but it's recommended to be at least 3v3 or more, because it's way to much tasks to handle for only 2 crew members on a battlecruiser. You have to refine minerals, store minerals, manage upgrades, produce weapons, manage power generator, steer the ship, load missiles, manage repairs if your cruiser burns... ect. These are the tasks if you are alone on the ship while the other one harvests minerals from asteroids.

I wouldn't recommend 2v2, but it's possible to play even 1v1.


It's preferrable to play 4v4 or 5v5. It gives room for new players to be taught by experienced players and they also have time to watch the tutorial and click the ? marks to learn the game basics. Although I might admit the tutorials shows a lot to new players and it's much information to diggest. But at least it should teach them a little about the game.


_______________

If someone can confirm that bug control loss do occur in 0.76b, let me know. I'm quite sure the bug should no longer exist.

-Captain have sometimes problems with promoting crew to officers
-Restricting access does not always make the crew exit the panel automatically as it should
-Using Power specialist on crew using panels can cause permastun

These are considered minor bugs, so If someone finds more bugs I might update it with minor bugfixes.

 

[Bl4ck L3g10n]

The best map ever.
I only noticed that the first time when I start the console in the battlecruiser the game stops for 1 sec but continues on after that as it should.

I rate it 5/5.

 

[Vladimir.]

Played the map a few times again now and no bugs have happend while playing. I change my rating from 4/5 to 5/5 as it has become one of the best maps I have played..

 

[Mega.Brother]

Where do you guys play this map? I casually play on b.net northrend and it's been weeks since I've played a game cos of lack of hosting/players joining.

 

[crappypappy]

sry

so ide heard that callex was going to be making starcaft 2 maps now and was wondering where i can find his maps when he releases them. sry for the off topic but figured loyal fans would know if any body would know. so if u can pm me the web page or just post it in here thatd be great

 

[Estarioll]

Are You still working on this map?

I still love it and when i get my new mouse so i can play again in 2 days I`ll host a few games with mates (even thought about creating a clan for this).

And it`s propably one of the best scripted maps I`ve ever seen.


Anyway, i got some feedback for you:

Bug:
Sometomes the cruisers stuck into each other. This usually happens to us, when a full speed moving cuisers crushs in the back of the other, not moving cruiser (yes, we stand still for faster energy generating).

Maybe Implement Knockback on Contact.

Suggested improvement:

In the beginning of the game u often spend like 5 minutes only on gathering. If you played this game more often it gets kinda boring.
So pls rework vessels and buff fighting vessels because atm you don`t have any opportunity to stop the enemy mining and have to do boring mining yourself.

Mainly I suggest to allow to give the player the opportunity to have a chance to harass the enemy in a early state of the game without destroying the enemy`s vessels, because this would be a) to hard b) to gamebreaking.

So add a ability "ore transfer Beam" to the fighting vessels.
This allows them to either steal a random ore from an enemy vessel or transfer it to a friendly vessel.
But this would be way too strong without further changes, so I suggest to give vessels a shield to. It should be a pretty weak shield, BUT prevent enemy beams from working.
Too break this shield the fighting vessel should be given a small laser .
Ofc both vessels should get a mana pool too run shields and lasers.
Additionally the amount of drones send to the cruiser is limited by mana and a max amount of drones carried in the vessel.
Both mana and drones are recharged at the cruisers, the drones automaticly, the mana by a fifth option in the generator.
If a vessels runs out of mana it must be picked up by the cruiser and is easy to destroy.
Rework power cells to give an amount of mana to a vessel. (good for fighting, not effecive for mining).
Drones should be reusable if they reach the cruiser, but alse be made a bit larger, a bit slower,craftable destroyable (don`t know if they are yet), also to encourage harassment.
The Status of both vessels should be displayed on the main info board of the cruiser (health, mana, shields, drones,speed), if there are 10 more rows space, otherwise the pilots should get a own board.
Also theneeded materials of the items should be drastically increased, or the amount of gathered items and the stock size increased, because there are way less ores gathered, because harrasent and mana needed for mining.

My Balance suggestions:




General:
-100% more ores per team at start
-4 Drones per team at start
-Max ore stack to 100
-Boards for Vessels
-10000 Starting Mana for both vessels
-5000 Starting Mana for both cruiser turrets
- +70 GJ/S Generatorpower at start

Fighting vessel:

-Add Manapool with 15000 Mana
-Movement costs Mana (a 25th of the mana needed by the cruiser for the same distance).
-Movement is slightely increased.

New abilities:

-Create Shield:
Transfers 500 Mana to a shield that is as effective as the cruiser`s shield per point of mana.
3 sec CD

-Laser Gun:
Fires a single, slightly aiming laser shot onto at an enemy. Destroys shield for 700 mana or half the amount of hull.
300 Mana, 2 sec cd

(this should be evadable if the aimed vessel is moving, but hit everytime when aimed on a not or slowly moving vessel)

-Ore-Transfer-Beam:
Transfers Ore from enemy vessel to fighting Vessel or Ore from fighting Vessel to other friendly vessel.
300% as fast as the mining Beam. 250%of the range of mining beam.
Castable while moving.
If Damage is received during Ore-Transfer-Beam, it is cancelled and vessel looses 250 mana because off a power leak.
12 Mana per ore

-Ore Drone:
Carrys all ores to the Cruiser.
1500 Mana, 1 Drone on Board


Mining Vessel:

-Add Manapool with 15000 Mana
-Movement costs Mana (a 25th of the mana needed by the cruiser for the same distance).
-Movement is slightely decreased.

New Abilities:

-Create Shield:
transfers 500 Mana to a shield that is as effective as the cruiser`s shield per point of mana.
5 sec CD

-Mining Beam:
Effectivity Increased by 100%
If Damage is received during Mining Beam, it is cancelled and vessel looses 250 mana because off a power leak.
20 Mana per ore

-Ore Drone:
Carrys all ores to the Cruiser.
1500 Mana, 2 Drones on Board


Items:

-Drohne:

Adds 1 Drohne to Drohnes in Cargo. Drohnes are automaticly loaded into vessels and can be used to carry ores to the cruiser. On Vessel Death each drohne saves a random inventar slot (including empty slots) by flying it`s content(and itself) to the cruiser.

5 Mexicanorum
40 Veltrium

-Power Batteries/Cells:
Reworked to give 2500 mana to a vessel

Anti-Laser-Rockets:

10 Veltrium
5 Green Ore(?)
Used by: Cruiser
Aiming shortrange rockets that works only versus vessels. Drains 2000 Mana if it hits hull.,otherwise deals minor damage to shield.

(Useless in battles,because blocking too many rocket docky, highly effective versus harassment but very short range.)


Maybe the balance would need a bit tuning.


Intention of changes:
-More action
-Mining Vessels need to be protected → more teamplay
-Use for fighting vessels
-More content in general
-More tactic needed in item and energy management. (On the cruiser AND in the vessels. And finally no more just shieldbreaking, then hullbraking rockets and maybe a few repair kits-.-)
-maybe mining is now a bit less stupid.
-synergy between mining and fighting vessel, so maybe teams will use both.
-makes Veltrium and green ore more important (atm you lack terriblly much red ore because it is used for all rockets)


Hope this is some inspiration. Sounds quite mouch but i sticked to the already existing mechanics so it should not be too much work. If You did it the way i thought you just need to copy ysour code and change datas.
Ofc I don`t think you will implement this at this way, but it`s well thought and it`s the way I`d do.
And this boring is very boring in the beginning. If unchanged, gameswill only consist of farming and shooting a few rockets. Only ship upgrades would be fun, but quite rare.

Please tell me what you think about it. And if you ever play your game yourself /W me (Estarioll.ger on EU-Servers, Everyone else is welcome,too, I`d like some opponents wo know what to do, we only played 3vs3 before, so u have a good chance in a full game)


Greetz
Estarioll

PS: Sorry for my bad english and pls,pls FEEDBACK