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I have been thinking for few months if I would ever make this kind of event for the campaign. I even asked from Kitabatake if he would do, but he declined. I think it would be a nice boost for the campaign because it really need some variation and puzzles.
About the campaign; I have been making "The Chosen Ones" campaign for almost a year now. I have already released over 15 alpha tests from it. If you want more information, go here.
So, the request is pretty complicated, it's a system, mini-game or a puzzle. It depends how you see it. Actually, I have never made this idea, it comes from the RPG game called "The Legend of Dragoon". One of my favorite games, ever.
I'm a bad explainer myself, so I searched for a nice "Walkthroughs" for the system. Here are at least three.
In the campaign if you answer wrongly 10 times... enemies will appear and you have to kill them to reset the system(not from the beginning, just the level + code).
Want to have more information? Ask!
About the campaign; I have been making "The Chosen Ones" campaign for almost a year now. I have already released over 15 alpha tests from it. If you want more information, go here.
So, the request is pretty complicated, it's a system, mini-game or a puzzle. It depends how you see it. Actually, I have never made this idea, it comes from the RPG game called "The Legend of Dragoon". One of my favorite games, ever.
I'm a bad explainer myself, so I searched for a nice "Walkthroughs" for the system. Here are at least three.
If you check the cabin beside the locked door where you will fight the
bosses on this ship, you can find a secret chest which is locked by a
special digit. This added notes will show you the rule to open it.
Special thanks to Beno Jange for contributing this to my FAQ.
First Time 10 chances Stun Guard
Second Time 8 chances Panic Guard
Third Time 6 chances Magic Ego Bell
Fourth Time 4 chances Talisman
Fifth Time 2 chances Ultimate Wargod
Sixth Time 2 chances 100G
The basic concept for the password are:
1. There are four numbers to be given as a password.
2. There are only three of them are used for password.
3. The four numbers should be changed to three numbers permutation and
combination.
4. Each time if one or more numbers of the code are entered correctly
(almost correct) then there will be a text displaying "...". However
if all of numbers are entered incorrectly then there will be a text
displaying how many chances are left.
5. If you get almost correct code (means that one or more number
location of the code is correct) then compare it with other almost
correct code and find the similarity. After that, negate the
similarity to find the incorrect code and cross all other incorrect
codes. However, if you enter the incorrect password (means that the
number location of the code is incorrect) then cross all other
incorrect codes.
6. Enter the password which is left by selection. Repeat step (4) and
(6) if the password is still incorrect.
You are confused by my explanation, aren't you? OK, I will give you
step by step solution. Remember to save each time you enter the correct
codes. However, you ever have learned the permutation and combination
in your school, haven't you?
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Case 1
-----------------------
1. There are four numbers: 0258.
2. Three of them are used for password.
3. Do the permutation and combination for three numbers:
025 052 205 502 250 520
028 082 208 802 280 820
058 085 508 805 580 850
258 285 582 852 825 528
4. Enter one of the three numbers in the above for the password: 258.
5. If you received a text displaying how many chances are left then you
enter the incorrect code. That means all of the number if 2 is
placed 1st or 5 is placed 2nd or 8 is placed 3rd then it will be the
incorrect numbers. The other incorrect password (from the list) if:
- 2 is placed 1st: 205, 250, 208, 280, (258), 285.
- 5 is placed 2nd: 052, 250, 058, 850, (258), 285, 852.
- 8 is placed 3rd: 028, 208, 058, 508, (258), 528.
Cross them all for removing it from correct code selection.
6. The list should be contained: 025, 502, 520, 082, 802, 820, 085,
805, 580, 582, 825. Enter one of them: 820. Oh no! It's incorrect
password. Don't worry. The other incorrect password (from the list)
if:
- 8 is placed 1st: 802, (820), 805, 825.
- 2 is placed 2nd: 025, 520, (820), 825.
- 0 is placed 3rd: 520, (820), 580.
Cross them all for removing it from correct code selection. The list
should be contained: 502, 082, 085, 582. You only have to enter one
of the four codes. It's better than entering 22 codes from the
permutation and combination list!
------------
Case 2
-----------------------
1. There are four numbers: 0025.
2. Three of them are used for password.
3. Do the permutation and combination for three numbers:
002 020 200
005 050 500
025 052 250 502 520 205
4. Enter one of the three numbers in the above for the password: 020.
5. If you received a text displaying "..." then you enter the almost
correct code. Write it down. Enter another code: 200. You've got
another almost correct code. Write it down. Now compare these two
codes and find the similarity: 020 and 200. You'll see that the
similarity is 0 is placed 3rd. Now negate the similarity so the
incorrect password if 0 is not placed 3rd are: 002, 005, 025, 052,
502, 205. Cross them all from the list.
6. The list should be contained: (020), (200), 050, 500, 250, 520. You
will only have to enter one of the four codes. It's better than
entering 10 codes from the permutation and combination list!
------------
Case 3
---------------------
1. There are four numbers: 0123.
2. Three of them are used for password.
3. Do the permutation and combination for three numbers:
012 021 102 120 201 210
013 031 103 130 301 310
023 032 203 230 302 320
123 132 213 231 312 321
4. Enter one of the three numbers in the above for the password: 103.
5. If you received a text displaying how many chances are left then you
enter the incorrect code. That means all of the number if 1 is
placed 1st or 0 is placed 2nd or 3 is placed 3rd then it will be the
incorrect numbers. The other incorrect password (from the list) if:
- 1 is placed 1st: 102, 120, (103), 130, 123, 132.
- 0 is placed 2nd: 102, 201, (103), 301, 203, 302.
- 3 is placed 3rd: 013, (103), 023, 203, 123, 213.
6. The list should be contained: 012, 021, 210, 031, 310, 032, 230,
320, 231, 312, 321. Enter one of them: 021. If you received a text
displaying "..." then you enter the almost correct code. Write it
down. Enter another one: 031. Oh no! It's almost correct password.
Write it down. Now compare these two codes and find the similarity:
021 and 031. You'll see that the similarity is 1 is placed 3rd. Now
negate the similarity so the incorrect password if 1 is not placed
3rd are: 012, 210, 310, 032, 230, 320, 312. Cross them all from the
list. The list should be contained: (021), (031), 231, 321. You will
only have to enter one of the two codes. It's better than entering
21 codes from the permutation and combination list!
The easiest way to determine the more exact code is by finding the
incorrect code. The codes which come from four different numbers are
quite hard to solve than the codes which come from three or less
different numbers. You should pray hard that the ghost won't give you
four different numbers. As I state in the beginning that save each time
you successfully unlock the chest but not each time you get the
numbers. Why? Your saved file won't save your numbers. In other words,
each time you load your saved file then the four numbers will be
different again so you have to go all the way to obtain the numbers
from the ghosts.
bosses on this ship, you can find a secret chest which is locked by a
special digit. This added notes will show you the rule to open it.
Special thanks to Beno Jange for contributing this to my FAQ.
First Time 10 chances Stun Guard
Second Time 8 chances Panic Guard
Third Time 6 chances Magic Ego Bell
Fourth Time 4 chances Talisman
Fifth Time 2 chances Ultimate Wargod
Sixth Time 2 chances 100G
The basic concept for the password are:
1. There are four numbers to be given as a password.
2. There are only three of them are used for password.
3. The four numbers should be changed to three numbers permutation and
combination.
4. Each time if one or more numbers of the code are entered correctly
(almost correct) then there will be a text displaying "...". However
if all of numbers are entered incorrectly then there will be a text
displaying how many chances are left.
5. If you get almost correct code (means that one or more number
location of the code is correct) then compare it with other almost
correct code and find the similarity. After that, negate the
similarity to find the incorrect code and cross all other incorrect
codes. However, if you enter the incorrect password (means that the
number location of the code is incorrect) then cross all other
incorrect codes.
6. Enter the password which is left by selection. Repeat step (4) and
(6) if the password is still incorrect.
You are confused by my explanation, aren't you? OK, I will give you
step by step solution. Remember to save each time you enter the correct
codes. However, you ever have learned the permutation and combination
in your school, haven't you?
---------------
Case 1
-----------------------
1. There are four numbers: 0258.
2. Three of them are used for password.
3. Do the permutation and combination for three numbers:
025 052 205 502 250 520
028 082 208 802 280 820
058 085 508 805 580 850
258 285 582 852 825 528
4. Enter one of the three numbers in the above for the password: 258.
5. If you received a text displaying how many chances are left then you
enter the incorrect code. That means all of the number if 2 is
placed 1st or 5 is placed 2nd or 8 is placed 3rd then it will be the
incorrect numbers. The other incorrect password (from the list) if:
- 2 is placed 1st: 205, 250, 208, 280, (258), 285.
- 5 is placed 2nd: 052, 250, 058, 850, (258), 285, 852.
- 8 is placed 3rd: 028, 208, 058, 508, (258), 528.
Cross them all for removing it from correct code selection.
6. The list should be contained: 025, 502, 520, 082, 802, 820, 085,
805, 580, 582, 825. Enter one of them: 820. Oh no! It's incorrect
password. Don't worry. The other incorrect password (from the list)
if:
- 8 is placed 1st: 802, (820), 805, 825.
- 2 is placed 2nd: 025, 520, (820), 825.
- 0 is placed 3rd: 520, (820), 580.
Cross them all for removing it from correct code selection. The list
should be contained: 502, 082, 085, 582. You only have to enter one
of the four codes. It's better than entering 22 codes from the
permutation and combination list!
------------
Case 2
-----------------------
1. There are four numbers: 0025.
2. Three of them are used for password.
3. Do the permutation and combination for three numbers:
002 020 200
005 050 500
025 052 250 502 520 205
4. Enter one of the three numbers in the above for the password: 020.
5. If you received a text displaying "..." then you enter the almost
correct code. Write it down. Enter another code: 200. You've got
another almost correct code. Write it down. Now compare these two
codes and find the similarity: 020 and 200. You'll see that the
similarity is 0 is placed 3rd. Now negate the similarity so the
incorrect password if 0 is not placed 3rd are: 002, 005, 025, 052,
502, 205. Cross them all from the list.
6. The list should be contained: (020), (200), 050, 500, 250, 520. You
will only have to enter one of the four codes. It's better than
entering 10 codes from the permutation and combination list!
------------
Case 3
---------------------
1. There are four numbers: 0123.
2. Three of them are used for password.
3. Do the permutation and combination for three numbers:
012 021 102 120 201 210
013 031 103 130 301 310
023 032 203 230 302 320
123 132 213 231 312 321
4. Enter one of the three numbers in the above for the password: 103.
5. If you received a text displaying how many chances are left then you
enter the incorrect code. That means all of the number if 1 is
placed 1st or 0 is placed 2nd or 3 is placed 3rd then it will be the
incorrect numbers. The other incorrect password (from the list) if:
- 1 is placed 1st: 102, 120, (103), 130, 123, 132.
- 0 is placed 2nd: 102, 201, (103), 301, 203, 302.
- 3 is placed 3rd: 013, (103), 023, 203, 123, 213.
6. The list should be contained: 012, 021, 210, 031, 310, 032, 230,
320, 231, 312, 321. Enter one of them: 021. If you received a text
displaying "..." then you enter the almost correct code. Write it
down. Enter another one: 031. Oh no! It's almost correct password.
Write it down. Now compare these two codes and find the similarity:
021 and 031. You'll see that the similarity is 1 is placed 3rd. Now
negate the similarity so the incorrect password if 1 is not placed
3rd are: 012, 210, 310, 032, 230, 320, 312. Cross them all from the
list. The list should be contained: (021), (031), 231, 321. You will
only have to enter one of the two codes. It's better than entering
21 codes from the permutation and combination list!
The easiest way to determine the more exact code is by finding the
incorrect code. The codes which come from four different numbers are
quite hard to solve than the codes which come from three or less
different numbers. You should pray hard that the ghost won't give you
four different numbers. As I state in the beginning that save each time
you successfully unlock the chest but not each time you get the
numbers. Why? Your saved file won't save your numbers. In other words,
each time you load your saved file then the four numbers will be
different again so you have to go all the way to obtain the numbers
from the ghosts.
Treasure Chest Mini-Game
In the room where you fought the Magician Bogys, check out the shiny object on the floor. Four ghosts will appear and each will give you a number. Remember the numbers. Then go to the room closest to the Queen Fury. See the chest? Try to open it. You'll get a set number of chances to input a code, which is composed of three of the four numbers you were given. If you run out of chances before you get it right you'll have to fight three Skeletons. The codes are random. Here is a list of the prizes (please note that "first" attempt refers to all tries before you win the first prize, "second" to all tries before you win the second prize....):
In the room where you fought the Magician Bogys, check out the shiny object on the floor. Four ghosts will appear and each will give you a number. Remember the numbers. Then go to the room closest to the Queen Fury. See the chest? Try to open it. You'll get a set number of chances to input a code, which is composed of three of the four numbers you were given. If you run out of chances before you get it right you'll have to fight three Skeletons. The codes are random. Here is a list of the prizes (please note that "first" attempt refers to all tries before you win the first prize, "second" to all tries before you win the second prize....):
There's also a "mini-game" you can play on the Ghost Ship, but I wouldn't bother with it. You see, if you go exit the Bogey Battle area and go to the top right, there will be a shiny object. If you touch it, four ghosts will appear and give you four numbers. Towards the entrance to the ship from the Queen Fury is a door that has a treasure chest in it and a combination. Three of the four numbers, when put in a certain order, will open the chest. Good luck if you decide to do this. If you fail after 10 tries, you'll have to fight a battle, and the combination will change so you'll have to go back to the ghosts and get four different numbers. If you do open the chest, it'll close again and change the combination. If you go back to the ghosts, you'll get four different numbers and have to do it again. You can get up to six items this way. However, the items are minor and it isn't really worth the frustration. The items are 100G for 1 try, Ultimate Wargod for 2 tries, Talisman for 3 tries, Magic Ego Bell for 4-5 tries, Stun Guard for 6-9 tries, and Panic Guard for 10 tries. And you can't cheat either...every time you reset the game, the combination changes.
In the campaign if you answer wrongly 10 times... enemies will appear and you have to kill them to reset the system(not from the beginning, just the level + code).
Want to have more information? Ask!
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