Chaos Orcs and Fel Orcs: Are they the same?

[Mister_Haudrauf]

The title says basically everything.

What do you think are the Chaos Orcs (Orcs with just red skin)

Spoiler: Chaos Orc

the same as Outlands Fel Orcs (Orcs with red skin and mutations (Spikes for example) )

Spoiler: Fel Orc

?

 

[Shar Dundred]

I remember reading assumptions that Chaos Orcs were some
early form of Fel Orcs, but even if that was true, they are the same.
Blizzard just decided to change the name in Frozen Throne.

I always prefered the term "Chaos Orcs" over "Fel Orcs".
Who knows, maybe the similarity to Warhammer stuff (WH40K Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines or pretty much EVERYTHING related to Chaos) was too obvious this time?

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Well most of the time i get confused, if someone speaks about fel orcs but in reality means Chaos Orcs.

So in my book they are different.

 

[deepstrasz]

Aside from the fact that the name difference is seen between the original game and the expansion, it's also relevant to say Chaos Orcs are seen in Kalimdor whilst Fel Orcs in Draenor.
Now, to further extrapolate. Maybe, Chaos Orcs are those who drank the blood of Mannoroth whilst Fel Orcs didn't or at least mixed it with another demon/pit lord's?

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Maybe, Chaos Orcs are those who drank the blood of Mannoroth

Weren't all of the Warsongs cured during the third war? I ask, because the picture i used is of an red skinned Orc Horde Portal-Sentry guarding the Dark Portal and that isn't on Kalimdor, but the eastern kingdoms.

 

[deepstrasz]

Weren't all of the Warsongs cured during the third war? I ask, because the picture i used is of an red skinned Orc Horde Portal-Sentry guarding the Dark Portal and that isn't on Kalimdor, but the eastern kingdoms.

Cured? I'm not sure, they were cured, maybe you refer to the ultimate cure? Cured just like that as in the ingame cinematic scene would be a bit... uncalled for.
Grom's last sentence.

Spoiler

Anyways, that orc might be one that came from Draenor after RoC? WoW changed a lot, especially after adding the Fel which creates a lot of controversy since it looks like an evil green energy whilst Chaos (or TFT Fel) was what made eyes glow red and changed the skin to the same colour.

I guess it all adds up to whichever kind of demon blood they drink, maybe infused with other stuff, like magick.

 

[stein123]

It's even worse when you think of the fel orcs from WoD:
http://handclaw.rampagingpolygons.com/WoW/62_Felorcs.jpg

 

[Kaijyuu]

Blizzard just loves palette swapping orcs.

 

[A Void]

Chaos Orcs, first used in RoC were renamed to Fel Orcs as many other units in TFT. TFT renamed a lot of units to avoid legal trouble, for example:

Gyrocopter > Flying Machine
Steam Tank > Siege Engine
Catapult > Demolisher
Ballista > Glaive Thrower
...

 

[deepstrasz]

TFT renamed a lot of units to avoid legal trouble

Care to elaborate please? Why would there be any legal issue pertaining a generic fantasy name? I don't think for instance that any of those in the list would be taken as copyright infringement.

 

[A Void]

Care to elaborate please? Why would there be any legal issue pertaining a generic fantasy name? I don't think for instance that any of those in the list would be taken as copyright infringement.

A prievous Warcraft 3 game designer Dave who commented on Abelhawk's easter egg videos told him about the name change for legal reasons.

 

[deepstrasz]

A prievous Warcraft 3 game designer Dave who commented on Abelhawk's easter egg videos told him about the name change for legal reasons.

Interesting. Are there more details or just a one liner? I am really curious to why such a thing had happened.

 

[LordDz]

They were called Chaos Orcs in Reign of Chaos but with the Frozen Throne expansion they switched names to Fel Orcs.
So they're the same type, just a name switch.

 

[stein123]

Interesting. Are there more details or just a one liner? I am really curious to why such a thing had happened.

I supposed that the issue was with warhammer :c

 

[deepstrasz]

I supposed that the issue was with warhammer :c

Please link me a source about Chaos Orcs in Warhammer as I can't really find something viable.

 

[stein123]

XD i was talking about the other ones, but i supposed that the chaos as an demonic/corruptive force is pretty much related with warhammer after all (chaos warriors, chaos goblins, chaos ogres, chaos dragons, chaos dwarves, etc)

 

[deepstrasz]

i was talking about the other ones

Oh yeah?

Steam tank - Wikipedia
Autogyro - Wikipedia

And now Warhammer is to be filed a lawsuit?
Please, this is starting to get lame.
What I'm saying is, that the name is pretty much useless here although with it the appearance and idea of said concept might open up ripping off for debate.

 

[stein123]

Yeah, i kown that's pretty stupid, but considering all the stuff that went warcraft to separate themselves from a warhammer rip-off, i'm pretty sure that they tried to erase all the stuff that could be similar to them, including those generic names, because they was already pretty similiar:
http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/24/23383/jwwt.jpg
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120205011_GyrobomberNEW01.jpg
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...opter_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160708092239
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...eamtank.gif/revision/latest?cb=20061125034632
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120202027_SteamTankNEW01.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e7/6f/fd/e76ffde1be1c0397f81fafc851f6f34a.jpg
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...niature.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160425143114

 

[deepstrasz]

Well, it's as far as design can go. A ballista will still be a ballista, a tank, a tank and so on. But, I sense the frequency of similarity. So, you guys are right.

 

[PrinceOfThaWest]

Chaos orcs on Kalimdor drank the blood of Mannoroth the second time and turned all red. Fel Orcs in Outland, however, are both exposed to intense amounts of Fel Corruption, Nether energies and were drinking demon blood in multiple occasions to increase their raw brute strength. I believe it was even stated somewhere among the quests relating to Fel Orcs in TBC about their origins. Kargath Bladefist is among those to blame for their continued usage of demonic powers/blood I believe, as well as Illidan who used them as pawns.

Overall, Chaos and Fel orcs are not the same lore-wise, of course after Blizzard evolved it in such a way. As for Warlords of Draenor ones, well, I suppose Blizzard went for cool looks there and they surely did a great job with all that greyish-fel combo appearance, but in my honest opinion that change of appearance after one sip of demon blood was a bit over the top.