C++ programming

[deathismyfriend]

I was thinking about starting C++ programming i was wondering if anyone knows some good free software ?
I have windows 7 ultimate 64bit edition if that helps.
Thanks.

 

[chobibo]

What kind of software? Compiler? IDE? I use codeblocks with mingw. There's also dev-c has tgm-gcc, which I think is for 64-bit OSes.

 

[Kanadaj]

I think there is also a free edition of Microsoft Visual Studio that can compile both native C++ and C++/CLI (C++ with .NET). Will look up a link when I get home. If you download it, use Win32 application for native c++ and CRL for C++/CLI

Edit: Visual Studio 2013 preview: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/2013-preview

Not sure if it has more or less functionality than the old ones, if it is limited time, then download the free C++ version of VS2010

 

[Dr Super Good]

Visual Studios is pretty much the one for windows. Otherwise use Eclipse.

You could always use GCC and Linux by virtual machine as well that would not make programs that run on windows.

 

[Menag]

Eclipse sucks for C++. I can't recommend it. Just use Codeblocks or Visual Studios. And for starting C++ you should also try compiling "by hand". Just the console and a text editor.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Just the console and a text editor.

Although these are important skills for code management, especially with large projects. I fail to see how they improve your C++ skills.

Far better to learn the basics of the syntax then go browsing through open source projects like emulators and games to see how real code is written.

 

[deathismyfriend]

Although these are important skills for code management, especially with large projects. I fail to see how they improve your C++ skills.

Far better to learn the basics of the syntax then go browsing through open source projects like emulators and games to see how real code is written.

That is what i was planning on. I was just looking for some free good software. Thanks for all the responses.

 

[Luorax]

Notepad++ with MinGW/Cygwin. I like it more than any of those fancy IDE's, as it's faster than any of those and it couldn't be cleaner than it is already. For smaller things, that is. The Linux command pack that you can install with Cygwin is just the icing on the cake.

Being able to add external header sources can be quite convenient though (quite useful when you have your own library for things like data structures, for example), and managing bigger projects could also become quite painful, so I'd say CodeBlocks and Visual Studio are the ways to go if you cannot/do not want to stick with npp.

 

[deathismyfriend]

I don't have Linux nor will i ever get it lol. Thanks though. I may still get Notepad++

 

[Kanadaj]

NP++ is quite handy when opening huge text files, since it can load waaay bigger files than MS Notepad without freezing the OS or throwing an error after 30m Not to mention it has the ability to make god knows how many programming languages coloured.

 

[GhostWolf]

SciTe.

 

[Magtheridon96]

SciTe is clean and high-quality.

To manage my large project, I use Visual Studio 2012 Ultimate.

Too bad it's biased towards Managed C++ (Ewww)

That doesn't matter though. It makes management rather simple.

For small things, I use a text editor (Sublime Text) and I compile with GCC (I have Mingw installed)

 

[deathismyfriend]

I don't know a lot of these programs lol. I downloaded the free version of Visual Studio but i haven't had time to mess with it yet.

 

[Magtheridon96]

If you use VS, use it effectively.

If you're going to use it like a text editor, you might as well simply use a text editor

 

[Kanadaj]

imho even a monkey can use Visual Studio up to a point, but when you give someone who is used to VS a notepad and tell him to make something, he will pretty much bleed out on the spot

 

[deathismyfriend]

Like i said i want to learn C++. I have never done it before. I'm looking for some good starting tools.

thanks for everyones help so far.

 

[Magtheridon96]

Notepad would be terrible for anyone anyway.

Another good reason to not use VS all the time while developing on Windows is because of the fun you can have with the latest C++11 and C++14 features available in GCC.

I was using Xcode + Clang while developing on Mac.

 

[Adiktuz]

VS can help specially on understanding how to create windows and objects like buttons I think, since you can drag and drop objects in the form designer and have the code auto-created for you... then you can study the code produced...

of if you want something more lightweight, then either code blocks, sharp develop (I think it has a C++ support), notepad++...

 

[deathismyfriend]

Notepad would be terrible for anyone anyway.

Another good reason to not use VS all the time while developing on Windows is because of the fun you can have with the latest C++11 and C++14 features available in GCC.

I was using Xcode + Clang while developing on Mac.

What do you mean C++11 and C++14 ?
Can you post some links please.

 

[Luorax]

Notepad would be terrible for anyone anyway.

I presume you're talking about the "regular" Notepad, and not Npp.

 

[Menag]

What do you mean C++11 and C++14 ?
Can you post some links please.

It's about the C++ standard.

About notepad: I actually always liked programming with it, but only with notepad++. You have highlighting in every language, if not, you can get it somewhere. And for compiling etc you can do it with the console. Since I don't want to have a big IDE for every language I have to program in, it's somehow cooler to just use notepad++. The only language I have an IDE for is currently Java (and Scala, eclipse) and since I don't like the C/C++ plugin for it, i still use notepad and the console to program C/C++.

 

[Luorax]

About notepad: I actually always liked programming with it, but only with notepad++. You have highlighting in every language, if not, you can get it somewhere. And for compiling etc you can do it with the console. Since I don't want to have a big IDE for every language I have to program in, it's somehow cooler to just use notepad++. The only language I have an IDE for is currently Java (and Scala, eclipse) and since I don't like the C/C++ plugin for it, i still use notepad and the console to program C/C++.

Same here. I also program in Java, C, Python, C#(,Bash), and hopefully soon in C++ too, and having a different IDE for each one is a serious overhead. I can do everything I want to in Npp, and a properly made makefile allows me to have includes and libraries in separate folders without having to type in a single letter. (The 'Introduction to computer graphics' teacher uses C++ and CodeBlocks, for example, and even though compiling a FreeGlut project requires multiple libraries and such, I can still do my homework in C without having troubles with compiling).

 

[deathismyfriend]

Thanks guys ill have to check it out. I've been using C# on VS a lot lately and i like it a lot. I did like C++ a lot though when coding with the command prompt. I'll have to check out notepad++ though. Thanks for all the suggestions and help so far.
Can anyone post a link on where to download notepad++ ? thanks

 

[chobibo]

Notepad++, Best of luck to you dude.

 

[MasterTrainer]

I use DevC++ for editing and compiling my code, and running the program.

 

[Kanadaj]

I'm using VS for both C# and C++ :/

 

[MasterTrainer]

But if it's okay, deathismyfriend, I've also only started learning C++ days ago, and there's a lot of it I still don't understand... nice to know there's someone like you who's also going to learn it )

 

[deathismyfriend]

But if it's okay, deathismyfriend, I've also only started learning C++ days ago, and there's a lot of it I still don't understand... nice to know there's someone like you who's also going to learn it )

ooo i pretty much learned the basics and some intermediate stuff in C++ i thought it was easy. It is very similar to vJass just different names for things and a nicer syntax. I didn't get into the advanced because i switched to learn C# now though which i like a lot. It has a lot of graphics and user friendly things in it.

Just finished my first chat program with multi client support based on a local server.
I did it in C++ though. Might make it in C#.

 

[MasterTrainer]

ooo i pretty much learned the basics and some intermediate stuff in C++ i thought it was easy. It is very similar to vJass just different names for things and a nicer syntax. I didn't get into the advanced because i switched to learn C# now though which i like a lot. It has a lot of graphics and user friendly things in it.

Just finished my first chat program with multi client support based on a local server.
I did it in C++ though. Might make it in C#.

My reaction can only be expressed properly through emoticons:


If that makes any sense....
Good luck mate!

 

[Kanadaj]

ooo i pretty much learned the basics and some intermediate stuff in C++ i thought it was easy. It is very similar to vJass just different names for things and a nicer syntax. I didn't get into the advanced because i switched to learn C# now though which i like a lot. It has a lot of graphics and user friendly things in it.

Just finished my first chat program with multi client support based on a local server.
I did it in C++ though. Might make it in C#.

UDP or TCP? That's not bad though either way

Edit: or maybe just HTTP?

 

[deathismyfriend]

UDP or TCP? That's not bad though either way

Edit: or maybe just HTTP?

I used TCP.

 

[ultrapro]

Better use VIM.
To make it highlighting, insert the phrase " Syntax on " to .vimrc file.
I used to have codeblocks and Xcode, but in comparison to VIM they are too clever and naturally s***.

 

[deathismyfriend]

What is VIM ?

Also did you see how old this thread is ?

 

[edo494]

shitty console text editor in Linux, and if you download, on windows too

 

[deathismyfriend]

shitty console text editor in Linux, and if you download, on windows too

ok lol thanks.

 

[ultrapro]

What is VIM ?

Also did you see how old this thread is ?

Vim looks like simple, but in real its a really good editor. See wiki for it.

It's not that old, and some people do check this post, im sure. I wanted to advise a thing not everyone has ever heard of. It's rly comfortable, because, if u modify it, it puts tabs auromatically, highlights commands and other stuff. Commenting how it's useful, i'd mention that u can simply change 1 string value found in selected area to another. To run and build u need to write 1 short string (depends from OS).

 

[Kanadaj]

Vim looks like simple, but in real its a really good editor. See wiki for it.

It's not that old, and some people do check this post, im sure. I wanted to advise a thing not everyone has ever heard of. It's rly comfortable, because, if u modify it, it puts tabs auromatically, highlights commands and other stuff. Commenting how it's useful, i'd mention that u can simply change 1 string value found in selected area to another. To run and build u need to write 1 short string (depends from OS).

I don't see how it can do anything XCode or Visual Studio 2013 can't do, and you can customize IntelliSense in VS pretty well. Only thing I miss from it is column alignment.

They help you work faster and cleaner, and provide excellent debugging functionality. Tho when it comes to extensions such as ReSharper, there come a few things that are really not needed, but no one forces you to use that.

 

[deathismyfriend]

I have been using visual studio 2013 express. I like how it is and the syntax of c#.
Thank you for your imput though.

 

[muzzel]

Vim allows extremely fast text editing once you got used to the commands, which are compared to normal text editors super weird.
Learning vim takes some time and you hardly see a benefit from using vim unless you have some solid experience with it. For beginners its just horribly confusing.

If you want to learn vim i suggest you dont try it with your c++ project you worked on for the last 3 years because pressing the wrong button combinations might erase your whole textfile
If you want to learn vim check out "vimtutor".

But @ultrapro, its really not a good suggestion for people who look for a c++ ide, because vim is not an ide. You probably should have stated that when comparing it to Code::Blocks and XCode.

 

[ultrapro]

I use Vim interacting with command prompt, if i write in .vimrc "set number" and "syntax on", it will make it IDE(not sure i remember certain defenition). To run&build i just type e.g. ":!g++ file.cpp && ./a.out < input", so i don't need any folders, just text file. If you press wrong buttons, you press "u", or "ctrl+r" to undo "u". In insert mode you can't do that much mistakes to be unable to delete it. Command mode is really comfortable, you can press 2 buttons instead of endless mouse clickings. Omfg its totally better than any xcode/codeblox. I've written it just to show that vim is not that simple shit as u describe it. It's really reliable and good text editor, easily-adjustable for programming.

 

[GhostWolf]

Sounds good, almost like writing a makefile every time you want to compile...oh wait, it isn't like writing a makefile, it is writing a makefile every single time you want to compile.

The highlighted words should be text editor, and I prefer SciTe or Notepad++ for that.

 

[ultrapro]

every time you want to compile you actually do:
:w <ENTER>
:[two times click arrow up] <ENTER>
Don't paint this program in grim colours -.-

 

[edo494]

I use Vim interacting with command prompt, if i write in .vimrc "set number" and "syntax on", it will make it IDE(not sure i remember certain defenition). To run&build i just type e.g. ":!g++ file.cpp && ./a.out < input", so i don't need any folders, just text file. If you press wrong buttons, you press "u", or "ctrl+r" to undo "u". In insert mode you can't do that much mistakes to be unable to delete it. Command mode is really comfortable, you can press 2 buttons instead of endless mouse clickings. Omfg its totally better than any xcode/codeblox. I've written it just to show that vim is not that simple shit as u describe it. It's really reliable and good text editor, easily-adjustable for programming.

as he is Visual Studio 2013 express with combination of C#, he most likely has Windows, and so anything from your console input is pretty much invalid, since there is no decent g++ Windows implementation

 

[ultrapro]

omg u can type any compiler instead of g++. the only problem is that im quite sure it works on windows quite less efficient... oh! but even w/o command prompt vim is much better than anything else.
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[Kanadaj]

omg u can type any compiler instead of g++. the only problem is that im quite sure it works on windows quite less efficient... oh! but even w/o command prompt vim is much better than anything else.
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That sounds like a fanboy cheering for his fav editor without even trying out others properly :/

TBH, I'm either using VS or XCode, or, when I don't have the time for tests/compiling, I may just use Notepad++ and later compile using either of the above. Or Android Studio, if it's for Android, but that's another thing.

I've tried so many IDEs so far, but there is really nothing that can compete with these, and Visual Studio Professional is free for students, which I am, so that doesn't really concern me either.

 

[Magtheridon96]

In my experience, g++ on Windows produces shitty binaries (in terms of performance) when compared to VS2012's cl.exe. (Same optimization settings, same settings for architecture tuning and the like)

 

[ultrapro]

"That sounds like a fanboy cheering for his fav editor without even trying out others properly"

This sounds like the same. And in total it looks like a game "who is more deaf"


PS. ch1ll, im new on hive forums.

 

[Kanadaj]

Sigh, you make me quote myself... >_<

[...] I've tried so many IDEs so far, but [...]

Point is, I know what I'm talking about. No worries tho, nobody can force someone else to use an IDE or editor (except for teachers >_<) and everyone is allowed to have their opinions, I just felt that someone had to reply for your arguments, since the features that you stressed are in fact part of most code editors and IDEs.

Also, I'm not one to anger myself over a forum post, I've better things to worry about

 

[Luorax]

nobody can force someone else to use an IDE or editor (except for teachers >_<)

You sure about that? I was using Notepad++ for Java and C# while everyone else (including the teacher, of course) was using NetBeans/Eclipse/Visual Studio/SharpDevelop. And guess what - I never ever fell behind :'D (and I was the first one to complete the course)

I'm using IntelliJ Idea (Java) and Visual Studio (C++ that I picked up on my own, and occasionally C#) now, and to be honest with you, I love both of them (Eclipse is pretty cool too, but I was sick of the GUI going wild/out of control every goddarn time, plus Idea looks cooler/more like VS, and the default hotkeys are similar too). I still use Npp though when I need to, for quickly changing something in a source file, for example, or when I was working on my own C++ collections and I was looking at the JRE sources - of course I'm not going to use an IDE for that as I just want to see the code, but not modify it.

 

[Kanadaj]

That depends on the teacher though ^^

Yea Eclipse is full of features but I feel that it's rather badly written, especially if you add Android Dev Kit to the mix

And I'm using npp instead of base notepad for everything