Buff System v1.8

[Moderator]

Approved.

Still, don't use an array index as the loop integer.

Also generally in WC3, the buff icon starts to blink when the buff is about to end. That would require dummy casters though, and is not possbile with this system.

 

[Magtheridon96]

lol?
i really think this system can be useful!
I can't explain why right now since it's pretty complicated, but anyways:
Some spells can be triggered with the presence of a buff instead of a constant loop trigger I'm talking specifically about passives.
well.. that wasn't complicated after all.
...
Anyways, good job!

One more thing, please post the triggers.

 

[Noobsmoke]

lol?
i really think this system can be useful!
I can't explain why right now since it's pretty complicated, but anyways:
Some spells can be triggered with the presence of a buff instead of a constant loop trigger I'm talking specifically about passives.
well.. that wasn't complicated after all.
...
Anyways, good job!

One more thing, please post the triggers.

belive me, i started a project and now i have to rework all spells from it becose it can't be done without this system

 

[baassee]

This is quite good I guess, not that I'm a fan of GUI buff systems as they require tons of object editor created stuff.

Why do you have the buff ability in a spellbook, it doesn't have an icon anyway?

The loop really shouldn't loop at 0.01. Much better with 0.03-0.04. And please, get a better recycling indexing like Hanky's dynamic indexing template.

This system bugs if a lvl 2 spell is casted and then a lvl 3 buff. The lvl 3 buff won't be applied.

Also preload the abilities. It has this lagg the first time abilities are added to a unit.

 

[Noobsmoke]

This is quite good I guess, not that I'm a fan of GUI buff systems as they require tons of object editor created stuff.

Why do you have the buff ability in a spellbook, it doesn't have an icon anyway?

The loop really shouldn't loop at 0.01. Much better with 0.03-0.04. And please, get a better recycling indexing like Hanky's dynamic indexing template.

This system bugs if a lvl 2 spell is casted and then a lvl 3 buff. The lvl 3 buff won't be applied.

Also preload the abilities. It has this lagg the first time abilities are added to a unit.

1.i make it 0.01 to be standard (can be edited)
2.what's wrong with my recycling ?
3.ill fix that
4.preload it's a little bit hard, becose if you have like 50 buffs

 

[baassee]

1. No 0.01 sucks balls. 32 FPS is enough not 100.

2. The recycling won't recycle until all instances are gone. Until then if you cast 1 spell every sec and they last 2 seconds, the loop will grow yet only 2 instances will be on.

4. But it's needed, definitely. Fix it.

 

[Noobsmoke]

1. No 0.01 sucks balls. 32 FPS is enough not 100.

2. The recycling won't recycle until all instances are gone. Until then if you cast 1 spell every sec and they last 2 seconds, the loop will grow yet only 2 instances will be on.

4. But it's needed, definitely. Fix it.

no, lol, my recycling is perfect it replaces the current position of index with the lastest position of the index and reduces index[2] with 1 (interchange it's the word for this i guess )

 

[baassee]

Maybe I'm just blind, I'll check it out again. Sorry.

 

[Noobsmoke]

Triggers are now in description, sorry for my lateness

 

[Adiktuz]

why not just use Slow Aura (tornado) as a dummy for all since if you use it, you won't require the spellbook, as Slow Aura already doesn't show...

 

[Justify]

The recycling is ok. There is only one bug with that sort of indexing.
Lets say you have 5 buffs present: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Your BS_Index[1] is 1, buff ok. 2., buff ok. 3., buff over. Now you replace 3 with 5.
The old 5 is now 3 but you continue counting with 4. The old 5 will be skipped.
To avoid this just lower BS_Index[1] when you redeem an old buff.

However, 0.01 is realy way to short. 0.03-0.04 will do it.
Oh, and what about aura-delay? Dunno if units that have the aura themselves don't have the 0.2-0.25 second delay, but if yes: useless. If not: Usefull allthough the performance sucks due to GUI.

 

[Marcos DAB]

why not just use Slow Aura (tornado) as a dummy for all since if you use it, you won't require the spellbook, as Slow Aura already doesn't show...

Really.

But you could also make the system more versatile, creates extra functions. Overall seems useful, but a bit simple.

 

[Adiktuz]

@Justify - the units that get the aura don't have the delay... and he also seem to remove the buff used by the aura after the duration so no delay on the removal too...

 

[Bogrim]

The problem with this system is that self-buffing auras do not work on units with transformation abilities. For example, no hero with a transformation (Metamorphosis, Avatar, Chemical Rage) also has an aura for this very reason.

Auras also act differently when it comes to invulnerability and dispel mechanics, making it difficult to correspond with the behavior of real buffs.

It's not a bad system, but it is very limited due to game mechanics. You will get strange bugs in your map when relying on auras for individual buffs that you can only avoid by not using any other mechanic that would cause it.

 

[Adiktuz]

I never had that bug with self-buffing auras with transformable units so far... what happens when you add aura to them?

also I think BUFF systems are meant to be used only if you will use it for ALL buffs which will lead to custom dispels...

 

[MortAr]

The problem with this system is that self-buffing auras do not work on units with transformation abilities. For example, no hero with a transformation (Metamorphosis, Avatar, Chemical Rage) also has an aura for this very reason.

Auras also act differently when it comes to invulnerability and dispel mechanics, making it difficult to correspond with the behavior of real buffs.

It's not a bad system, but it is very limited due to game mechanics. You will get strange bugs in your map when relying on auras for individual buffs that you can only avoid by not using any other mechanic that would cause it.

Avatar does not change the unit, thus it doesn't affect physical based auras.

And can you tell me, how does dispelling react over auras?

 

[Magtheridon96]

This system can be good for GUIers, but I honestly prefer ABuff
For a GUI system, it's not half bad ^^

 

[Noobsmoke]

The recycling is ok. There is only one bug with that sort of indexing.
Lets say you have 5 buffs present: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Your BS_Index[1] is 1, buff ok. 2., buff ok. 3., buff over. Now you replace 3 with 5.
The old 5 is now 3 but you continue counting with 4. The old 5 will be skipped.
To avoid this just lower BS_Index[1] when you redeem an old buff.

However, 0.01 is realy way to short. 0.03-0.04 will do it.
Oh, and what about aura-delay? Dunno if units that have the aura themselves don't have the 0.2-0.25 second delay, but if yes: useless. If not: Usefull allthough the performance sucks due to GUI.

oh, thanks about the little bug.

 

[Bogrim]

I never had that bug with self-buffing auras with transformable units so far... what happens when you add aura to them?

Units lose the abilities inside the spell book when they transform. You can run a test yourself. Make a spell book ability with an aura inside. Add the ability to the Demon Hunter in both of his forms, and run the map. When you activate Metamorphosis, the hero loses the aura shortly after. The only workaround is to re-add the spell book after the hero has finished casting the transformation with triggers.

Also, I have sometimes experienced auras affecting not the transformed hero but still the unit around the hero. I'd have to test more to clarify that bug specifically.

can you tell me, how does dispelling react over auras?

Let's say you add an aura-based ability to a unit that is Magic Immune or Invulnerable. The aura will never fail to apply the buff - real buffs will.

This also applies to item effects like Amulet of Spell Shield which will protect against magic debuffs like Cripple and Slow but not an added aura.

 

[mckill2009]

Im not really a fan of array inside an array, so better to use single variable for indexing...it's only my opinion so no harm done...

 

[baassee]

Units lose the abilities inside the spell book when they transform. You can run a test yourself. Make a spell book ability with an aura inside. Add the ability to the Demon Hunter in both of his forms, and run the map. When you activate Metamorphosis, the hero loses the aura shortly after. The only workaround is to re-add the spell book after the hero has finished casting the transformation with triggers.

Also, I have sometimes experienced auras affecting not the transformed hero but still the unit around the hero. I'd have to test more to clarify that bug specifically.
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Why use spellbook at all? Just add the ability, make it permanent then it will stay there even when the unit uses chaos ability or transforms. Make it non-permanent and remove the ability when you remove it.

 

[Adiktuz]

That's why I suggested using Slow Aura since its already invisible on the UI, he doesn't need the spellbook anymore...

and he can also always check the unit type, so that if it changes, he readds the ability...

 

[Noobsmoke]

Version 1.4 released, thanks to Maker for efficiency improvement

 

[Noobsmoke]

New version incoming, any requests ?

 

[Noobsmoke]

Buff System 1.5 released !

 

[Noobsmoke]

Buff System 1.7 released !
Offtopic : Buff System has 666 downloads HAHA

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[defskull]

offtopic

It is not 666 views, it's 666 download count.
Yay for my system to be included in your screenshot haha.

System: 5/5

 

[Windu]

How exatctly do u implement it in a map? What do u have to copy :?

 

[Noobsmoke]

How exatctly do u implement it in a map? What do u have to copy :?

I will add more instructions on next version.

 

[Bladesmaster123]

Units lose the abilities inside the spell book when they transform.

i think that can be fixed by making the spell permanent through trigger

 

[Peach Schnapps]

You're doing god's work.

 

[Peach Schnapps]

Quick question though, I've heard you don't want to make an object editor modified copy of a base Warcraft 3 Spell(Like let's say Firebolt) because if you have multiple spells with the same BaseID's you'd find that it will not work properly, you could get "mixed effects" So say one Firebolt is weaker and stuns for 2 seconds and does 50 dmg, but one stuns for 7 seconds and does 150 dmg, your weaker example might fire the 150dmg or longer stun, things like that. (So you make custom spells out of channel?)

If I make multiple buffs or just even just one buff, (the example says use Bloodlust) will the amounts of the effects from my buffs, debuffs, damage, etc. act as intended? Or will the ID's start conflicting with one another?

 

[Pyrogasm]

I've heard you don't want to make an object editor modified copy of a base Warcraft 3 Spell(Like let's say Firebolt) because if you have multiple spells with the same BaseID's you'd find that it will not work properly, you could get "mixed effects" So say one Firebolt is weaker and stuns for 2 seconds and does 50 dmg, but one stuns for 7 seconds and does 150 dmg, your weaker example might fire the 150dmg or longer stun, things like that. (So you make custom spells out of channel?)

This is not at all true, there is no mixing up that can ever happen. The issue you’re thinking of is that if a unit has 2+ (non-passive) spells with the same base order, the unit will attempt to cast ALL of the shared id spells when any of them are cast. This is not permitted by the game engine so you get some unintended behavior of the spells not fully casting.

Buffs have nothing to do with this behavior. Make as many buffs as you want with this system.

 

[Peach Schnapps]

This is not at all true, there is no mixing up that can ever happen. The issue you’re thinking of is that if a unit has 2+ (non-passive) spells with the same base order, the unit will attempt to cast ALL of the shared id spells when any of them are cast. This is not permitted by the game engine so you get some unintended behavior of the spells not fully casting.

Buffs have nothing to do with this behavior. Make as many buffs as you want with this system.

Ahhhh, thanks once again my good man.

 

[Mirage1]

This system does not cover the transformation problem. When a unit is transformed (Bear Form, Burrow, ...) it loses all abilities which the unit does not possess by default. Even if the timers keep track of the buff duration, any effects and the buff display are lost since the spellbook abilities are not preplace in the given unit. I don't expect any updates on this particular system, but this is a relevant matter for any buff system based on adding abilities to transforming units.