Azeroth Wars LR 1.67b

[Evillizard]

I gots an idea for Trolls, but im sure this was already tossed around...
The trolls do not start with Gaz'rilla ,but he can be summoned if he brings chief urzoc (Troll chieften of the Sandfury) to the troll temple in the hinterlands, get the malat of Zul'farrak and bring it back to Zul'farrak.
But, if they dont want to get Gaz'rilla , they can get Hakkar by summoning him. To summon him, the trolls must bring a Hero unit (Jammal) to Zul'gurub, then he can cast an ability which takes 2 minutes. after the time Hakkar will be summoned. He cannot get both Gaz'rilla and hakkar. Also, an idea for Zul'aman. Mabye make it like Gilneas, theres a big wall and a big tower and you need to kill them both to conquer Zul'aman, but if the trolls conquer it, the trolls get Zul'jin. eh? EH? EH?

 

[AIagremm]

Interesting...

Also I have long wanted to tell you my idea about Gilneas. Maybe you can add worgen units to the player who captures Gilneas?

 

[trolman]

nah worgen are a story rape cuz blizzard couldnt add the pandas

 

[AIagremm]

I still like them ^^

 

[trolman]

I still like them ^^

I still dont vv lol

 

[EagleMan]

I gots an idea for Trolls, but im sure this was already tossed around...
The trolls do not start with Gaz'rilla ,but he can be summoned if he brings chief urzoc (Troll chieften of the Sandfury) to the troll temple in the hinterlands, get the malat of Zul'farrak and bring it back to Zul'farrak.
But, if they dont want to get Gaz'rilla , they can get Hakkar by summoning him. To summon him, the trolls must bring a Hero unit (Jammal) to Zul'gurub, then he can cast an ability which takes 2 minutes. after the time Hakkar will be summoned. He cannot get both Gaz'rilla and hakkar. Also, an idea for Zul'aman. Mabye make it like Gilneas, theres a big wall and a big tower and you need to kill them both to conquer Zul'aman, but if the trolls conquer it, the trolls get Zul'jin. eh? EH? EH?

Meh, it's easy to spout out lore. That really wouldn't be a viable event for a game considering that the Trolls have to fight on Kalimdor already. So we should add two demis who can die forever, to unlock events which are unlikely to happen (or if they do Gray is sacrificing the rest of his land to take the time to do this) to get a hero he already had (Gahz'rilla) or a hero to replace that one. Plus removing the usually short lived income bonus of Zul'aman?


Also Worgen wouldn't fit very well either, but before I even consider Cataclysm lore I'm waiting for the actual game to come out so the details are there. The Worgen curse may not have even been here at this time, who knows, maybe it was even post-WotLK, which is a long time away from the roughly RoC starting point of the game (except Southern Eastern Kingdoms, which was completely ignored by WC3).

 

[AIagremm]

Worgen in Lordaeron were summoned in the Third War by Arugal, who tried to defeat the Scourge with them. However he failed, and the worgen took control and cursed much of Silverpine forest, along with Gilneas. Since the third war Gilneas was in a war inside it. The worgen were killing each other and the uncursed, the last standing humans tried to find the cure and so on. So you can make Gilneas like this:
Gilneas is under control of worgen creeps, who control the Greymane tower. When you destroy it, Gilneasian humans and worgen who control themselves will join you for ending the war, and saving them.

 

[Evillizard]

Idk about you, but every time im trolls I pwn Quel'thalas with Zul'aman, lol.

 

[Razielx5]

I reccomend(<- Cannot spell) giving Thralls horde the Tauren, cause trolls do have a lot of land.

 

[EagleMan]

I reccomend(<- Cannot spell) giving Thralls horde the Tauren, cause trolls do have a lot of land.

Pink's a full race already though, with enough heroes.

 

[Evillizard]

I dont think I explained my idea well enough... Gaz'rilla will be much stronger, but you need to atain him through the events as stated.. and hakkar is also as powerful as Gaz'rilla but in a diffrent way (armor, attack, spelles, ect) and the point of making Zul'aman a place were you need to capture is because the CP will have more gold, and the hero is stronger for Gray. Gray does start off pretty strong, and even with a pro lb I can easily take over kalimdor.

 

[AIagremm]

Too bad that Akama's draenei arent a chosable race.
The fact that join Illidan is quite good, however they could have been a player.

But since it would unbalance the game, I understand why you didnt put them as a beggining race for some player.

 

[EagleMan]

Too bad that Akama's draenei arent a chosable race.
The fact that join Illidan is quite good, however they could have been a player.

But since it would unbalance the game, I understand why you didnt put them as a beggining race for some player.

Yeah we are thinking about removing Naga to split Night Elves. The Sentinels and the Druids. The Sentinels could have an evil path with Illidan, or other races like Green or Teal could join in on the Illidari. It's vague concerning that at the moment.

 

[AIagremm]

Neat. So they will be freeing Illidan? And what about naga? They will be creeps?
Illidari are awesome, too bad Illidan is crazy in WoW, so he would ally with Horde, Alliance and Sha'tari, and be a normal guy.

Also, why isnt there a way for blood elves in Outland for getting some new race too?

BTW, you could have made some ancient draenei buildings in Shattrath that can be captured if Akama enters Shattrath.

 

[Razielx5]

Why did u get rid of Scarlet Monastary??, idk why but it bugs me u got rid of that, i know its not required, but its just one of those things

 

[rafaelrq]

Hi, i have a problem, when i save the game in a 1 player game, then when i try to load it, it says that it can´t load the game due to the fact that the file is "corrupted" or "damaged". Could you help me with that?

 

[EagleMan]

Hi, i have a problem, when i save the game in a 1 player game, then when i try to load it, it says that it can´t load the game due to the fact that the file is "corrupted" or "damaged". Could you help me with that?

I have no idea. You are playing the latest version + patch right? If you are I don't know why.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Loading and saving custom maps is not reccomendable. The saving is not 100% accurate and can cause bugs.

 

[AIagremm]

Really? Oo

 

[rafaelrq]

Yes, i am using the 1.24b, i played as High elves, thrall's horde and trolls. TY doctor super good, i did not know that. Ah, and something more, why the Skeleton mages have mana? they don't have spells, And when i capture Gilneas as the High elves, i cannot train units at their barracks or the Greymane's fortress, why does this happen?

 

[EagleMan]

Yes, i am using the 1.24b, i played as High elves, thrall's horde and trolls. TY doctor super good, i did not know that. Ah, and something more, why the Skeleton mages have mana? they don't have spells, And when i capture Gilneas as the High elves, i cannot train units at their barracks or the Greymane's fortress, why does this happen?

They had mana because I wanted to include Frost Armor in the game but Avrion kept removing it I guess. And you can't make those units because they aren't in your allowed techtree (Knights, Sergeants etc.).

 

[xie323]

The map is good but I found that the Lich King model dosen't fit and we have some other Lore issues. We have one in hiveworkshop by General Frank through.

Link

And here's the icon:

Link

Just give credit to General Frank for this model.

Also Ner'zhul should have four oblisks. Either resize the Oblisks or re-edit Northrend to fit them.

Furthermore. In WC3 the humans don't go to kalimdor until after the destruction of Strathlome. You should have Theremore availabile to Dalaran after Strathlome is destroyed and Arthas gets corrupted.


Finally you should be able to obtain hakkar as the trolls.

 

[AIagremm]

xie323, good points. I also disliked the fact that Theramore is established after 15 minutes, and not after destruction of Stratholme or Dalaran. Hakkar is also needed, though then they will be overpowered I think.

Also, why after the destruction of Dalaran all its surroundings still belong to the Kirin Tor? I think that everything should go neutral hostile, except Pyrewood village and Dalaran dungeons. And then get Theramore as new home.

Another thing: Why isnt Black Temple capturable? It really sucks if you destroy it, because doodads that were put there to be part of it remain. Plus its Illidan's main stronghold, how can he destroy it? Black Temple should be capturable, it would please Illidari, blood elves, draenei and Stormwind greatly.

 

[Evillizard]

xie323, I'm not sure if you have read all the comments, but if you did you might have gotten a slight idea that the makers of the map have to cheat the lore a bit to be balanced. I, honestly think the lich king model is fine. Though, I see a lot of people complain about it. I could try to make a short skin of Arthas, mabye make a lich king helm attachment. And I just thought of this theory recently, let me just spew it out.

In warcraft III games such as this that take place in an entire world (in this case two, Azeroth and Draenor) the choices for what the 12 players must be made carefully. The idea of the Draenei being playable would be smart for just a Draenor map, but as Draenor and Azeroth there isn't enough room for that kind of thing. I first thought it would be cool to have the Silithid as a player, but they are a minor character to the entire map (I know they are huge to the lore) then I had the idea of the Old Gods being a player, and even if you made it so the old gods must be summoned it would be increadibly rigged. It is fit that players are put to use as Major characters at this point of the timeline, for there is not enough room for characters that are minor, though important to the lore.

Also, I can make custom spells to a degree, to which they would prolly not be high enough quality to be posted on the hive, but may still qualify as custom spells, for example. Blood Tap: The Death Knight taps his blood, dealing 90 damage to himself and healing surrounding allys for 50 life points.
I can make those kind of spells that only make it work to be a custom spell, but not fancy with a bunch of effects. I could make a few for the heroes, not that your spells are good, but a lot of them are just normal spell copys with new icons, and sometimes range diffrences (Like that one ability for the Chieften of the Blackrock Clan, I'm pretty sure it was just a melee version of Storm bolt)

 

[AIagremm]

Old God player would be nice.
I also had planned a Draenor Wars LR thingy, even done the beggining of terrain for it.

 

[Evillizard]

I was playing 1.57 is single player to see some of the changes, I found a few things out. You changed the model of Undead Sylvanas to a banshee, but you didn't change her sound set, projectile, or the Game message when she was convereted to a banshee.

 

[trolman]

I was playing 1.57 is single player to see some of the changes, I found a few things out. You changed the model of Undead Sylvanas to a banshee, but you didn't change her sound set, projectile, or the Game message when she was convereted to a banshee.

Banshee sylvanas sucks change it back to the Dark Ranger one.

 

[EagleMan]

Old God player would be nice.
I also had planned a Draenor Wars LR thingy, even done the beggining of terrain for it.

That'd be cool to see but you don't have to name it LR, this map only has it because it basically remade an old map who's author had just disappeared.

And yeah Evil you basically you've got it pegged down pretty well. Thanks for the Banshee issue though no one else has told me this.

 

[onyxja]

why did you take away so purple can go evil

 

[EagleMan]

why did you take away so purple can go evil

It screwed over game balance, especially since it was an event that typically happened early on. Orange and Green literally had no chance if it happened (unless both Purple and Red were below average players) and that's just not good gameplay; being automatically screwed over early game and not being able to do anything about it.

 

[AIagremm]

Yeah, it made purple's game interesting, and gave another way to survival and power, but it screwed the balance.

Eagle, I thought about making three kinds of Draenor map - before the Dark Portal, in the Second War(Beyond the Dark Portal) and in my semi-related reality of Afterstorm, which is based after the Second War, but Draenor never was destroyed in it.

 

[xie323]

Um....I got a problem with 1.57.

When you kill Kel'Thuzad he dosen't drop his ashes and therfore can't be revived at sunwell.

 

[rafaelrq]

Eagleman explained that in the 1.56 changelog, you need to destroy the Sunwell in order to revive Kel'thuzad. And i agree with Alagremm, Theramore should apear after more time, and the black temple should be captureable. Why is a unit named THE Creator in Badlands, is it just a decoration? Ah, and could you tell me please why the nagas at northrend aren't allied with the Naga, sorry if it's a stupid question, i just want to know. Keep the good work ^.^, liked it.

 

[EagleMan]

Eagleman explained that in the 1.56 changelog, you need to destroy the Sunwell in order to revive Kel'thuzad. And i agree with Alagremm, Theramore should apear after more time, and the black temple should be captureable. Why is a unit named THE Creator in Badlands, is it just a decoration? Ah, and could you tell me please why the nagas at northrend aren't allied with the Naga, sorry if it's a stupid question, i just want to know. Keep the good work ^.^, liked it.

The guy is the old maker of Azeroth Wars, hence why its named Legacy Reborn. I don't really care for it anymore but I'd get a lot of mad people on me if I removed that credit (it'd be like DoTA crediting authors from 3 years ago or the people who made AoS').

The Naga is there just to match the scenery/lore etc. There's no real reason for Brown to have them though.

Theramore, eh, it was really annoying when say Orange never died, so you just had this crucial chunk of land unpathable for the entire game where you just stare at a prebuilt city that isn't doing anything. Avrion was going to remove it (even if it is kinda weird or useless it's still part of the lore that's easily fit in the game versus say, a floating Dalaran in Northrend) so I just suggested to do this instead of removing it altogether, and it's been like that for a few versions now. Doing what you said would still have the same problem, if Stratholme or Dalaran never dies, you'll just have a prebuilt city you can't walk through for the entire game now.

 

[Evillizard]

I have some more suggestions to support the removal of the Naga to make room for a split in the Night Elves.

Either the Sentinels or the Druids (Could be only one, or either) can make the choice of freeing illidan. By freeing illidan, they don't trigger the naga coming or anything. But at this, they take risk of the player with Illidan choosing to turn to a demonic form (I know that he uses the Skull of Gul'dan to turn into a demon, but people usually hide the skull and such and it gets annoying :/) If he does, his units will go under control of the other player, and the person who has illidan will be granted the Naga, and if Green is the blood elves, he will ally to green. Nazatar will be locked out until the Naga are taken up. If Illidan and or green take control of the Black Temple, several things will happen, such as: Tempest Keep will be built, and other things in the Nether Storm. The Black Temple will be captured by Illidan, and Hellfire Citidel will magicle "Poof back (You know what? I don't care if it doesn't make sence) and a new dungeon inside of it will be created for Magtheridon. Also, many places within outland will be created, such as places for the Fel Orc clans and other Blood Elf outposts and such. I know this all would most likely take up some useless space, but I think people in the game would think it would be "cool" and thus increase the fun factor perhaps.

Also, along with adding the Idea of the Old Gods to the game, if you remove Naga you may instead add the Dragon Flights, as an ally to Light Blue. Of coarse, the Black Dragon Flight will be excluded, and either at the beggining in the game or after a period of time or event the Azure Dragon Flight will be taken out, but that still leaves the Red, Green, and Bronze Dragon Flight. But, I see how that could be overpowered, and such.

I think it would be cool, and mabye increase the fun factor, if you made more of the Instances found in Azeroth, such as Razorfen Kraul and Caverns of Time (You could make a cool item that could cause several Events with it)

And I have an old Lich King's Helm attachment I could give you just to pop on Arthas Lich King's head which might saticfy a few people, and though I am against this, if you plan to get an entire Lich king Model, I would hope that you used Meteor_demon's model instead of General Frank's model, not only because his model is increadibly overused and found in almost every map relating the Lich King, but simply because to my opinion it looks better. :3

 

[Naveed Blade]

Well this map looks awesome! it needs to be balance little bit and overall its not bad.

 

[AIagremm]

Evillizard, I think that Tempest Keep should pop out, but be neutral until Kael(!) captures it. Tempest Keep will produce many new units I think.
Black Temple should be capturable. Naga should be a force that can be captured by Illidan, but most of it is creeps.
I dislike the idea of spliting the night elves however it would make a bit sence. Sentinels would get Feathermoon stronghold, and druids Cenarion stronghold(I mean colonies)
Also, I think that popping settlements for blood elves and fel orcs is just bad. However we could make Hellfire Citadel capturable as well. If its captured by orcs it can give them ability to drink demon blood without fel orcs, if its captured by Illidan or Kael he will get fel orc units.
Also, we should ally Green with Burning Legion if Tempest Keep is captured.

 

[xie323]

I have some more suggestions to support the removal of the Naga to make room for a split in the Night Elves.

Either the Sentinels or the Druids (Could be only one, or either) can make the choice of freeing illidan. By freeing illidan, they don't trigger the naga coming or anything. But at this, they take risk of the player with Illidan choosing to turn to a demonic form (I know that he uses the Skull of Gul'dan to turn into a demon, but people usually hide the skull and such and it gets annoying :/) If he does, his units will go under control of the other player, and the person who has illidan will be granted the Naga, and if Green is the blood elves, he will ally to green. Nazatar will be locked out until the Naga are taken up. If Illidan and or green take control of the Black Temple, several things will happen, such as: Tempest Keep will be built, and other things in the Nether Storm. The Black Temple will be captured by Illidan, and Hellfire Citidel will magicle "Poof back (You know what? I don't care if it doesn't make sence) and a new dungeon inside of it will be created for Magtheridon. Also, many places within outland will be created, such as places for the Fel Orc clans and other Blood Elf outposts and such. I know this all would most likely take up some useless space, but I think people in the game would think it would be "cool" and thus increase the fun factor perhaps.

Also, along with adding the Idea of the Old Gods to the game, if you remove Naga you may instead add the Dragon Flights, as an ally to Light Blue. Of coarse, the Black Dragon Flight will be excluded, and either at the beggining in the game or after a period of time or event the Azure Dragon Flight will be taken out, but that still leaves the Red, Green, and Bronze Dragon Flight. But, I see how that could be overpowered, and such.

I think it would be cool, and mabye increase the fun factor, if you made more of the Instances found in Azeroth, such as Razorfen Kraul and Caverns of Time (You could make a cool item that could cause several Events with it)

And I have an old Lich King's Helm attachment I could give you just to pop on Arthas Lich King's head which might saticfy a few people, and though I am against this, if you plan to get an entire Lich king Model, I would hope that you used Meteor_demon's model instead of General Frank's model, not only because his model is increadibly overused and found in almost every map relating the Lich King, but simply because to my opinion it looks better. :3

Agreed have Naga be unlocked for the player that allies with Illidan.

Also can you show me the LK model you found? Link plz?

Also if you inculde the OGs and remove the Naga create Ulduar and make Azjol-Nerub part of the old gods. For Tempest keep it should be neutral until Kael captures it.

 

[arthas_king]

Agreed have Naga be unlocked for the player that allies with Illidan.

Also can you show me the LK model you found? Link plz?

Also if you inculde the OGs and remove the Naga create Ulduar and make Azjol-Nerub part of the old gods. For Tempest keep it should be neutral until Kael captures it.

Go at the ''Models''Section and type ''Lich King Arthas''

 

[AIagremm]

There is already a lot of stuff for the Old Gods in the map.
Like C'thun and his silithid, and forgotten one in Azjol-Nerub.
However it would make it really hard for Azjol-Nerubians to survive the Scourge, or is it the opposite? They have access exactly to the Lich King, so they can destroy him immediatly.

 

[rafaelrq]

Eagle, you said that the human soldiers (Orange, Green, Purple, DG and yellow) transform to zombies only when Blue/red attacks them, but when i fought Teal, only by seeing him, sunddently my units transformed into zombies, WHY? Ah and when i set foot on northrend all my units (1 by 1) transform into zombies and some still remain on my side (some zombies) , why did this happen? I lke the idea of the Sentinels and Druids, just for the fact that when Pink reaches kalimdor the fight between Naga en Ngiht elves gets a little bit ruined. This only happens if Pink and gray go to Kalimdor wich is almost (ALMOST) sure.

 

[EagleMan]

Eagle, you said that the human soldiers (Orange, Green, Purple, DG and yellow) transform to zombies only when Blue/red attacks them, but when i fought Teal, only by seeing him, sunddently my units transformed into zombies, WHY? Ah and when i set foot on northrend all my units (1 by 1) transform into zombies and some still remain on my side (some zombies) , why did this happen? I lke the idea of the Sentinels and Druids, just for the fact that when Pink reaches kalimdor the fight between Naga en Ngiht elves gets a little bit ruined. This only happens if Pink and gray go to Kalimdor wich is almost (ALMOST) sure.

It's very important to know what version you are playing.

Especially if it was one you downloaded here or from the link on wc3diplo. Avrion put in a "zombie apocalypse" trigger that I disabled for 1.57 (or 1.56 but regardless it is disabled) that is activated by a code. When activated all human classified units starting turning into zombies, starting from Quel'Thalas to the South EK. If your units were in boats, they would not be converted until they left. And it is no way possible for Teal to merely look at your units (which you're a bit contradicting with, you fought him but only saw him)?

Regardless, if you were playing 1.57, then you were playing a hacked one (there is a guy who hacks pretty much every version the minute they come out to put in JJ's or whatever it is). The most important fact for me to know is whether your units had Disease Cloud on them when they started turning into Zombies (before, not after, all zombies will have Disease Cloud). If they didn't, and certainly weren't attacked by anyone (when Red or Blue attacks a unit with Disease Cloud there is a 2% [1.5% next version] chance it will turn into a zombie if it is a Human classified unit.

But really that's a lot more detailed than it needed to be. It sounds like you're describing a hacked or old version, and I might as well just go delete the trigger to make sure it doesn't come back, instead of disabling it.

 

[Evillizard]

It said something about turning forsaken in the changelog, blue turning into forsaken, how is this done?

 

[AIagremm]

When Lich King is destroyed, you arent. You "become" Forsaken, though actually nothing happens.

 

[EagleMan]

It said something about turning forsaken in the changelog, blue turning into forsaken, how is this done?

It's not the best gameplay mechanic, but if Red kills Sylvanas, then when Blue's demons die, he will become the Forsaken (Undead race + Varimathras as a hero).

 

[AIagremm]

You mean the Legion turns into Forsaken?

 

[rafaelrq]

It's very important to know what version you are playing.

Especially if it was one you downloaded here or from the link on wc3diplo. Avrion put in a "zombie apocalypse" trigger that I disabled for 1.57 (or 1.56 but regardless it is disabled) that is activated by a code. When activated all human classified units starting turning into zombies, starting from Quel'Thalas to the South EK. If your units were in boats, they would not be converted until they left. And it is no way possible for Teal to merely look at your units (which you're a bit contradicting with, you fought him but only saw him)?

Regardless, if you were playing 1.57, then you were playing a hacked one (there is a guy who hacks pretty much every version the minute they come out to put in JJ's or whatever it is). The most important fact for me to know is whether your units had Disease Cloud on them when they started turning into Zombies (before, not after, all zombies will have Disease Cloud). If they didn't, and certainly weren't attacked by anyone (when Red or Blue attacks a unit with Disease Cloud there is a 2% [1.5% next version] chance it will turn into a zombie if it is a Human classified unit.

But really that's a lot more detailed than it needed to be. It sounds like you're describing a hacked or old version, and I might as well just go delete the trigger to make sure it doesn't come back, instead of disabling it.

Yes, Blue goes Forsaken (With Varimathras) when both Great demons (Archimonde and Kil'jaeden) are killed, but it does not control Evil Sylvanas' undead.

No, actually i am playing 1.57. And yes, they first had disease clud and then were turned into zombies. But i know what happened, i was playing a 1 player game and i cheated (sorry), i put the following chat: "Iseedeadpeople" and then all human units were transformed into zombies, starting from Quel'thalas (ending at SEK). But i played another game and when i set foot on northrend they REALLY became all into zombies, i think it's because of the fact that Red has full vision of northrend, and that is what i was saying, why when Red, Blue or teal can see human soldiers they have a chance to become zombies? I'm very sorry for bothering. Ah and why some zombies still remain on the human side?

 

[trolman]

Wait shouldnt the elvs go forsaken if they chose?And if Archemonde and Killjaden get killed maybe blue should break up with red and blue-grean and become the drenai.
Also the plague doesent end after LK's dead.

 

[rafaelrq]

Also the plague doesent end after LK's dead.

Yes, i didn't like that, when the Lich King is destroyed, the plague is automatically spreaded, and keep spreading. Why does this happen?

 

[Evillizard]

It's like this, perhaps; If there is a kid in school who sneezes on you, and then he goes home, that doesn't mean the germs that he sneezed on you are not there anymore just because the person who gave it too you is gone. Or,
Someone sneezed on you so you sent an army of naga to him and destroyed him and he was like "WTF YOU KILLED HIM WHILE I WAS MAKING ARTHAS LK!" but that doesn't stop the fact that he sneezed on you.