Against the Darkness: 3.1.3

[real138]

usually the first 3 minutes of any game you are just picking heroes or setting up so you have NO idea of the gameplay. play a full game at least and then review.

 

[Super-Sheep]

this is just like "epic" tag, i wouldnt have gave it dc. :/

opinion

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

It's not a tag game whatsoever, but okay!

 

[Raging Ent]

Aww I wasn't going to spoil his fun

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

Haha what do you mean?

 

[Raging Ent]

Well I've been defending AtD for some posts now, and I felt too tired to respond to the 'tag game' guy, but clearly you aren't xD feisty

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

Hahaha. Well that kind of comment does bother me because it IS NOT A TAG GAME!!

 

[real138]

lol that made my day... i dont know how trying to kill someone is tag(dont know how you play )

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

Well I think he means kind of like sheep tag, where you do kill the sheep, but if they die they're able to res until every single sheep is dead. Also the main focus of those kinds of games is hiding from hugely OP heroes and building big bases. That's not what AtD is.

 

[Raging Ent]

Nope.
Nor do fallen hunters become knights, thank god for that!
(Hunters > Knight rawr)

 

[adnertsy]

GREAT!!

 

[Wanarax]

Yes. waited this long !!! thanks

 

[Fear5002]

Dont know if it was just me but when playing the Architect (didnt check up on other characters) i couldnt fit all of the abilities on the action bar/ability box. Might want to check up on that

 

[Titanmaster]

i just gotta say.........GREAT MAP

 

[Bond009]

Very bad ass trailer video makes the game look pretty sweet, every need any help with trigs just ask. Also what program u use to protect your map? It seems to work better than some i've seen, good stuff

 

[Herian]

This...*cough*..Is...*cough*..Too much epic.
Although when two died, one remained. 1v1. The guy left... And it didn't say that "Death Knight won".

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

Dont know if it was just me but when playing the Architect (didnt check up on other characters) i couldnt fit all of the abilities on the action bar/ability box. Might want to check up on that

I'll look into it, thanks. I think the problem can occur if you have all 4 of his abilities learned and then pick up a Cloak of Shadows because it adds the Hide ability icon. I'm not sure if it's a huge issue or not b/c I think Hide has the lowest priority and wont show up but I will double check.

Also what program u use to protect your map? It seems to work better than some i've seen, good stuff

I use Vexorians Map Optimizer.

This...*cough*..Is...*cough*..Too much epic.
Although when two died, one remained. 1v1. The guy left... And it didn't say that "Death Knight won".

It's like this problem is eternally destined to plague me. Are you talking about DM or Normal mode?

 

[Raging Ent]

You know what's even funnier, this one time me and a mate killed the Death Knight just after he left (flying arrows huh) so my friend swapped into the Death Knight's slot without a Death Knight, later I killed the Portal but I didn't win, nor did he.

 

[Herian]

Lol nice! XD

Minor bug: I played with my friend. He was DK. He won after Doom.(Because of heavy lag -.-) So I saved. It said I got 20 points from that game.
He then left. But strange thing : It detected him as if he died, and gave me 15 other pôints. Couldn't save though, already had saved once.

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

What version were you playing because I am pretty positive I fixed that bug in the latest patch. If you were playing 2.94c, then FML. I am also thinking of making it to where you can resave if you've saved already.

 

[Raging Ent]

Think it was either 94b or c.

 

[Herian]

The bug I told you? 2.94c. It's the only version I've got, anyways.

 

[Declipse]

Hey, I've been hosting your map on eurobattle.net for a while now (although I've only saved about 450 points) and decided to leave some feedback.

It seems to me that it's quite hard to get people to play this- Actually filling a room up isn't that hard, but getting them to return is really tough. This mostly happens because of one of these two:
1-They die quickly- and being unable to return- swear at your mother and leave.
2-They don't die, but they don't have a clue on what to do. They then compare your map to a vacuum cleaner and leave.

Now I can understand that number 2 happens mostly because people are dumb and simply can't grasp what this game contains- still a lot of people suffering from number 1 really can't be blamed.

Of course there are always those 4 noobs that decide they should try to fight the DK at level 1- despite my attempts to make them run away, giving them haste potions. BUT... there are also those who do understand the basic concepts and attempt to play correctly- And yet they still die. Even I die, often. Why? Nets and slow. A DK can get a set of nets (which work for DK) in under one minute of game and hunt Hunters (ironic, uh?) one by one. This is worse with the undead hero, as he uses his stealthy windwalk to land a destructive hit and then net down a Hunter and beat him to death-Without the player even having a chance to defend. The summon- which adds a frost slowing attack- also takes out the remaining hunters- unable to escape, stuck running, getting hit and running again until death comes.

Of course this can all be countered, but for that you need a good team. And you can't get a good team if people give up after one game- Which brings us to another issue.

There are no medium-level DKs, you either screw everything up and the game ends in 3 minutes or you don't and the game ends in 5. Simple as that, new DKs tend to suicide against mobs-not noticing their reeeallly fast regeneration. And good DKs tend to rush about 3 levels, buy some nets and hunt down all the hunters- Grabbing the bat summon along the way.

And you know what aggravates this? You can't really pool up net money at the start faster than the DK, to net him down in case he does (or wind him up). Other than that, he moves pretty much at the same speed and can always net you down again- Which's even worse with windwalk. And oh, wait- Did I tell you that the only item that gives you true sight is only available in FFA? Well, I just did.

So really, you can't counter windwalk at the start- And most surely you can't avoid being netted. Leaving 85% of the players disappointed.

Other than that, the map's really fun and well done. I'd love to get a bit more out of my points- warden has a skillset that doesn't really synergize that well (the batle mage's much better), although she IS the best to solo the chieftain. And auras don't really look that cool or noticeable, most people don't even see it there. Maybe minor auras?

Great map overall, requires some tweaking to become really awesome but you're almost there I hereby vote 4/5 and conclude my comment.

PS:Alchemist could really use some potion stacking.

 

[Warimathas]

ugh....why can't i view it and save?!?!?! every time i download a map from hive my PC (which is vista ) says it has encountered a critical error...

 

[Raging Ent]

Because your anti virus s*cks? :O

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

Hey, I've been hosting your map on eurobattle.net for a while now (although I've only saved about 450 points) and decided to leave some feedback.

Hey sorry for the long delay in my response. For some reason the thread didn't update until Naro posted in it today.

Thanks for actually breaking down the game so that I can actually understand what you think is wrong with it. I notice that you realize there is a way to counter every problem that you bring up which makes it nice that I don't have to explain that to you. You have legitimate problems with the map. There's not much we can do to deal with new people dying early or people that don't know what to do except to try to get them to play a few more times. Normally they'll get it and start to enjoy the game. It's ashame that most leave and never come back but I guess that's just the way it is and perhaps one day they'll return to try the game again.

Your concerns about the Death Knight are also pretty common. New players generally do not understand the power of the Knight or underestimate his power and in both cases end up doing very bad with him. Once again, practice makes perfect. I notice, at least in my games, people that don't do well with him the first time want to join the remake and play him again. After a game or two they "get it" and start to do much better. Again there's really just not much we can do about those who leave and give up after one failed attempt.

Now about the things that can be changed. Nets have a duration of 4 seconds on a Hero and a cooldown of 30 seconds. The duration could be considered long but it has always seemed like the long cd makes up for it. The Death Knight has to be able to keep chasing you for 26 seconds to get the next net on you and if you have a good teammate or two they can easily help you get away through stuns or other distractions. Do you think the duration is too long? Or do you think the DK should not be able to buy nets in the first place?

Ghost Walk has been balanced over and over again. It used to be the most complained about skill in the game but in the last 8 months I haven't heard one complaint about it until your post. It is mostly used as an escape mechanism for the DK but he can also use it to chase down a Hunter. There is intentionally no item that gives truesight in Normal mode because that would completely ruin the ability for the Knight. However, if an Architect builds an Ancient of Healing that will provide the area around it with truesight. This definitely helps you keep the Knight out if you decide to fight as a team in your Architect's base during Doom.

What do you think needs to be done for this ability?

Lastly, the summon he can use from the Dark Dragon's Eye does help him slow down Death Hunters, but the summon can be taken out in only ~5-7 seconds by a ranged Death Hunter or two who have good combo's. Remember, you must always stack armor and attack boosting items. There's no chance to win if you don't.

 

[N1ghthawk]

This map review set-up is based on that created and used by Tank Commander,

I review maps that look interesting or promising. If you wish for me to review your map, or if notable changes have occured to a map I have already reviewed, then you may message me with a link to your map and I will review it within the next week.

(5 marks) - Terraining/Environment
(5 marks) - Triggering
(15 marks) - Gameplay
(10 marks) - Innovation/Originality
(5 marks) - Interface/Object Editor Work

1-7 marks = (1) Poor quality map, unfit for the Hive (usually a beginners map)

8-14 marks = (2) The beginnings of a map are there, but it still needs work and is likely unfinished.

15-21 marks = (3) An adequate map, is fun for a game or two and functions.

22-28 marks = (4) Shows promise and has some interesting features; playability is high.

29-35 marks = (5) A fine example of Hive-quality; will keep you entertained for several games at least and updates are looked forward to.

35+ marks = (6) A simply brilliant warcraft map. Features are flawlessly implemented, code is legit, game is fun, and the constraints of
Warcraft 3 are challenged.

Terraining (3/5) - Terrain is unimaginative and does nothing to break the standards set by blizzard-created WC3 maps. Regardless however, the environment does fit gameplay well and is fun to explore.

Triggering (N/A) - Map is protected thus I will discount this category in my final score.

Gameplay (12/15) - Although I only played two heroes, the general sense I got is that abilities are much too simple and generally boring. Additionally no A.I. is available, even for the Death Knight. Use of custom effects is lacking and items (though I only played 1 multiplayer game) seemed ridiculously powerful (especially items w/ armor). On the pro-side the quest system is well-done with random placements and an array of different quest-types. Many different creeps and creep-bosses are available to farm along with special events that keep the game interesting. Map is fun to explore, offers a great and adaptable pvp-oriented environment, and has high replayability.

Innovation/Originality (10/10) - A very cool idea, comparable in some respects to a hero arena. Item system, quest system, DK vs. Death Hunter idea, and just the general setup of the game are all innovative and fresh concepts.

Interface/Object Editor Work (4/5) - Most icons go well together and all icons include the proper counter-parts. Item tooltips are easy to read and include all the necessary information and more. Hero ability tooltips use the standard Wc3-format but are adequate. Manipulation of interface text has occured and includes detailed information on how to play.

- Really need to re-work hero spells. Give them more synergy, improve effects, etc.
- A quest reffered to a section of the map but I was unable to know where that was w/o logging into hive workshop. There are many different ways you can accomplish this, but allowing players to know where the different regions are whilst in-game would really help new players.
- Include an A.I. for the DK so people can 1-player the game (even if they have little to no chance for success)
- Some minor additions to the environment would go a long way (custom effects/weather/additional doodad and destructible manipulation)

Final Marking - (34/40)
Rating - (5)
Voted for - Approval
Rep Given? - Yes, a fun and addicting pvp map

N/A

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

Wow, finally someone gets around to doing a detailed review on my map haha. Thanks a lot I'm glad you put some effort into it. The only criticism I have is about items being OP. If you were to play a few more multiplayer games you'd realize that the items are fairly balanced with eachother. +10 armor, +25 attack, etc. is necessary for a Death Hunter to be able to stand up against the Death Knight.

I'm glad you enjoyed the game, though I am a little disappointed that you didn't like any of the custom abilities. Most of the spells in the game were created by me in JASS but I do suppose they're lacking a little bit in the eye candy and synergy departments. Maybe that is something I can work on in the future.

Thanks again!

 

[Herian]

Dark Nite, the spells that I think should be changed are : Warden's Ultimate, Warden's "Betray" spell. They are not useful at all. Warden is useful, but lacks eye candy. Betray helps the Death Knight...Even though just a little bit, it still helps him. And your allies wouldn't like to recieve damage from you.

 

[TwistedImage]

What's with the eyecandy nagging? If the game's good, I can play it with no effects at all. Nevertheless, I agree that some spells are rather boring.

 

[Raging Ent]

AtD is finally a victim of Hiveworkshop's stupidity?
Sure every map that looks like TKoK is awesome looking and eye candy, but..

Let's do some analyzing:

Who play Warcraft 3?
-Die hard rts gamers.
-People with low-class PCs.

Die hard gamers really care less about the shrub or the glowing rune in the forest, they want to win.

People with low-class PCs only lag in maps like TKoK, and usually have their graphics settings lowered, thus don't even see the additional features.

Why use blizzard cliffs?
Because it's a serious map, not a eye candy map.
A cliff can:
- give units dodge advantage.
- adjust line of sight
- create impassable 'lines'.

Rock doodad-way can do 2 / 3 of those, and line of sight blocking still needs a additional Line of Sight Blockers, causing 3 rock doodads + 1 LoS blocker to be used instead of 1 tile of cliff, increasing map size, causing more lag on lower systems and causing more people to drop while downloading.

Not a eye candy map..
Like stated above, AtD is not a eye candy map, so the big explosion on a flame strike is left out to reduce lag on lower systems and since they are unnecessary (extra file size etc).

A good example of keeping terrain strictly to what it needs to do is, without a doubt, DotA Allstars.

Conclusion: Eventhough skill effects and doodads are simple, they are there.
Dark did a very good job creating a compromise between low filesize/lag and good-looking, stop hating!

 

[TwistedImage]

^
I'm not a die hard RTS gamer and my computer has 6 GB RAM and 2.80x2 GHz. Your statement is flawed.

Also, I forgot to report something. Last time I played, some guy got the nether dragon claw (blink item if I got the name wrong) and blinked into the dense forest. He was the druid hero and I was the spell breaker (witch hunter? D hero. Therefore, I couldn't attack him with anything but my one damage spell while he could shoot me at a range. Even when I got a claw myself and blinked after him, he got into a 1x1 space and became pretty much invulnerable.

D:

 

[Raging Ent]

Actually I was talking in general..

 

[Herian]

Wait wait wait. Something wrong here.
Who plays Warcraft 3?
-RTS fans that didn't get Starcraft II yet
-Die hard RTS gamers
-RTS gamers that can't find great RTSes (which cannot be found actually)
-People that know about World Editor and want to use it

Not only those that have low PC quality play Warcraft 3. Nor Die Hard RTS gamers. Although Starcraft II will probably stomp Warcraft III and reign in the RTS gaming world until Warcraft IV (maybe) comes, Warcraft III is still a very good Real-Time Strategy game. If you don't think so, list RTS games that are not made by Blizzard, and are GREAT. (Like Warcraft III.)

 

[Raging Ent]

Wait wait wait. Something wrong here.
Who plays Warcraft 3?
-RTS fans that didn't get Starcraft II yet
-Die hard RTS gamers
-RTS gamers that can't find great RTSes (which cannot be found actually)
-People that know about World Editor and want to use it

Not only those that have low PC quality play Warcraft 3. Nor Die Hard RTS gamers. Although Starcraft II will probably stomp Warcraft III and reign in the RTS gaming world until Warcraft IV (maybe) comes, Warcraft III is still a very good Real-Time Strategy game. If you don't think so, list RTS games that are not made by Blizzard, and are GREAT. (Like Warcraft III.)

Personally i doubt SC2's multiplayer is gonna kill WC3's, because it's just less fun in my opininion (I prefer the abilities and items etc, a better engine alone isn't good enough, just think of Command & Conquer, simple ass overrated piece of shit)

 

[TwistedImage]

Wrong topic to discuss, guaise. Keep this spam-clean.

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

Yeah it's getting a little off topic here. Naro thanks for defending AtD but it's okay haha. People are entitled to their own opinions. I'm fine with some healthy criticism!

 

[Declipse]

Hey sorry for the long delay in my response. For some reason the thread didn't update until Naro posted in it today.

Thanks for actually breaking down the game so that I can actually understand what you think is wrong with it. I notice that you realize there is a way to counter every problem that you bring up which makes it nice that I don't have to explain that to you. You have legitimate problems with the map. There's not much we can do to deal with new people dying early or people that don't know what to do except to try to get them to play a few more times. Normally they'll get it and start to enjoy the game. It's ashame that most leave and never come back but I guess that's just the way it is and perhaps one day they'll return to try the game again.

Your concerns about the Death Knight are also pretty common. New players generally do not understand the power of the Knight or underestimate his power and in both cases end up doing very bad with him. Once again, practice makes perfect. I notice, at least in my games, people that don't do well with him the first time want to join the remake and play him again. After a game or two they "get it" and start to do much better. Again there's really just not much we can do about those who leave and give up after one failed attempt.

Now about the things that can be changed. Nets have a duration of 4 seconds on a Hero and a cooldown of 30 seconds. The duration could be considered long but it has always seemed like the long cd makes up for it. The Death Knight has to be able to keep chasing you for 26 seconds to get the next net on you and if you have a good teammate or two they can easily help you get away through stuns or other distractions. Do you think the duration is too long? Or do you think the DK should not be able to buy nets in the first place?

Ghost Walk has been balanced over and over again. It used to be the most complained about skill in the game but in the last 8 months I haven't heard one complaint about it until your post. It is mostly used as an escape mechanism for the DK but he can also use it to chase down a Hunter. There is intentionally no item that gives truesight in Normal mode because that would completely ruin the ability for the Knight. However, if an Architect builds an Ancient of Healing that will provide the area around it with truesight. This definitely helps you keep the Knight out if you decide to fight as a team in your Architect's base during Doom.

What do you think needs to be done for this ability?

Lastly, the summon he can use from the Dark Dragon's Eye does help him slow down Death Hunters, but the summon can be taken out in only ~5-7 seconds by a ranged Death Hunter or two who have good combo's. Remember, you must always stack armor and attack boosting items. There's no chance to win if you don't.

Well, early on an initial hit (even non-windwalked) + 4 seconds + a windwalk follow (which leads to another 1 or two hits) will mostly lead to death. DK's can farm the money needed faster and start killing one hunter every minute or so, this also disrupts the hunter's lvling as groups have to escape. Also I believe the DK has the same move speed as hunters, right? So those who don't pick a stun at the start are often easy prey. Grouping against him at the start might work with a decent team, but it's hard to get one when most attempts of grouping end up with 2 deaths instead of one save. And again, this might mostly be due to faulty teams. Still, reducing the speed % bonus of windwalk on earlier levels might be good (on later levels the speed bonus outweighs the damage bonus imho)- or increasing cooldown or adding some sort of medium-priced way to counter this at the start. Decent DK's often attack hunters when they're already fighting other mobs, which often block the path they have to run away and help damage... Also, at the start there's mostly no cheap way to heal and lots of hunters end up running around with 30~50% hp- Which's a netted insta-kill.

Also- I've never seen one decent architect. I've tried it myself but farming is hard when monsters aggro your buildings before they're done- And you need gold for things. Again, maybe this issue does not happen in larger, better teams.

As for the summon, it works as a mid-game net- a bit more effective. You can't really spend those 5~7 seconds hitting it when the DK's hitting you, and weaker members are usually targeted for farming.

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

The Death Knight has slower movement speed and will not be able to keep up with you without Ghost Walking or slowing you with the Dark Drake's cold breath in early game.

What you can do to escape from the DK early game (first 5 minutes):

• You can buy a Wand of the Wind (3 charges, 30 gold) after only 2 minutes of game time.
• You can buy Winter Ale (speed, 30 gold) at the Town Pub after 3 minutes of game time.
• You can buy a Witch's Hat (slow aura, 50 gold) at the Totem of Riches after 1 minute of game time.
• You can use stuns/slows that most Death Hunter's have.
• You can use Taunt from the Hunting Wolf that the Hunter has (he has no slows/stuns).
• You can use Speed Potions with the Scientist using Alchemy (he also has a stun, Supercharge).
• You can travel with an Architect who has Bravery Aura which gives a bonus to speed (this really helps early game to outrun the Knight since he's slower to begin with).

With any combination of these from multiple Hero's you will find that it becomes fairly easy to outrun a Death Knight. Yes, a good Death Knight will split up the Death Hunters and then try to take them out one by one early game. That is part of their own strategy. If you get stranded try to make it back to your time or call them over to help you out using their stun/slow abilities.

It is really not as hard as many people think. The more you play, the more you find this out. And again, if you do die to the Knight don't be shocked. If the Hunter's could never die to him and always outrun him this wouldn't be a very fun game (or vice-versa).

 

[TwistedImage]

Adding to that, I think you should buff the Death Knight early game. If all the hunters gang up on him with their superiour damage output and total health value plus stuns and slows and superiour movement speed, the Death Knight is likely to lose. Trust me, I've seen it.

I'm not saying buff his movement speed, just his damage and/or health. 'Course, this should be evened out as he levels. In essence, he starts out stronger but gets smaller buffs to raw stats per level, making him about just as strong as in earlier versions in end-game.

 

[Declipse]

Alright then, I'll play some more once 2.94d's out (or 2.95)

 

[RiotZ]

I really don't know what is so great about this map... Average spells... Average terrain... Average gameplay... Average map. 3\5

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

You're used to the amazing content that THW provides. Amazing spells coded by great programmers and beautiful terrain screenshots created by artists. There's nothing wrong with that.

The fact is, when you create a mod like Against the Darkness singlehandedly you aren't going to have the most astounding terrain possible and outrageously cool spells. You're going to have good looking, effective terrain that suits the map's style of gameplay. The spells are going to be unique and effective but may not have the spammy eye-candy you may be used to from other coders on this website.

As a whole, however, aided by the unique gameplay that this map provides as well as different game modes and tons of unique items and spells, you will find a map that is fun and replayable game after game. Thank you for your comment, however I feel if you were to play AtD online a few times and see what is about you may change your mind.

 

[SasuhKun]

1)ark_Nite, you use JASS triggers right? (Right?)

If you do, can you lend me a unprotected version of your map? I want/need to learn map making (mainly JASS triggering) for many reasons, being one continue this very project: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/map-development-202/europe-art-war-155738/index10.html

If you can, I would appreciate very much ^^

 

[RiotZ]

You're used to the amazing content that THW provides. Amazing spells coded by great programmers and beautiful terrain screenshots created by artists. There's nothing wrong with that.

The fact is, when you create a mod like Against the Darkness singlehandedly you aren't going to have the most astounding terrain possible and outrageously cool spells. You're going to have good looking, effective terrain that suits the map's style of gameplay. The spells are going to be unique and effective but may not have the spammy eye-candy you may be used to from other coders on this website.

As a whole, however, aided by the unique gameplay that this map provides as well as different game modes and tons of unique items and spells, you will find a map that is fun and replayable game after game. Thank you for your comment, however I feel if you were to play AtD online a few times and see what is about you may change your mind.

I've been doing a project myself with some triggering help from Ap0calypse for the last year or so, soloing is no excuse.

There is nothing wrong with making an average map. I expect all maps to be absolutely perfect in everyway this map has excellent representation which is one thing maps require, but once again average terrain average spells and average gameplay. There is no excuse for this, and no shame in this... But if you feel this map could be further perfected by other people of higher skill level than there should be nothing stopping you from asking the help of an expert terrainer like CloudWolf you are very popular here on THW so finding help shouldn't be hard.

And I do respect you're ability to make maps by yourself. And I do respect that this map is average because through my eyes in terms of mapping average is good, an example of this is Booody's maps (DIII Tristram and DIII Borderlands) I found these maps to be below average almost rejectable in my opinion. So do not mistake my average rating for a poor rating. Good job on the map, and good luck on future versions or projects.

I will play some more and reconsider....


@Herian

Wait wait wait. Something wrong here.
Who plays Warcraft 3?
-RTS fans that didn't get Starcraft II yet
-Die hard RTS gamers
-RTS gamers that can't find great RTSes (which cannot be found actually)
-People that know about World Editor and want to use it

Not only those that have low PC quality play Warcraft 3. Nor Die Hard RTS gamers. Although Starcraft II will probably stomp Warcraft III and reign in the RTS gaming world until Warcraft IV (maybe) comes, Warcraft III is still a very good Real-Time Strategy game. If you don't think so, list RTS games that are not made by Blizzard, and are GREAT. (Like Warcraft III.)

I know a few RTSs that completely embarrass Sc2 and WcIII. Dawn of War being one of them.... It's probably the greatest RTS game ever made.

But I like WcIII because it's like an outlet for creating games essentially....

 

[Iron Elf]

I am stunned

This map is amazing and you did this all by yourself you should be nominated for best map maker in the world!

Even your game trailor inspired me to go back to map making! after I lost my map data for Assault on Quel'Thalas i was devestated but now im not cause like i said you inspired me to continue my work.

Can i get some trigger making pointers from you? some day? I would love to learn from a master map maker.

I AM TOTALLY STUNNED FROM USING THIS MAP

Not only do i give it as many thumbs up as i can but i give many blood elfs to you too









an army for you. for your AAAAWWWWWWSOME map

 

[deepstrasz]

Cool adventure map. I like the maze style.

 

[Raging Ent]

Smexy new update, though I'm not sure it's worth a 2.95, smells like 2.94b/c/d material.

Give us some new high end hero :O I might think up something and pm you

 

[Icedrake]

Whoa, this is a seriously amazing map. Is this map still in development, or is it finished, because I would love it if this map is still being updated.

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

It's currently out of development with the release of Starcraft 2 and drastic fall in Warcraft III online play.